Led Zeppelin Satanic?

[kinja]

My friend, this is just playful banter. But I see no reason why Catholics need to worry about Led Zepplin. Next up " When the Levee Breaks"

You don’t have to worry about Led Zepplin or anything for that matter. rest our cares wit the Lord. What we have to do is be prudent and wise about what we take in through our five senses. I don’t smoke, not because it will kill me instantly, but because eventually it can make me sick and that may lead to my death.

For the same reason I know that music is very influential and if I see signs of occult influence in lyrics or the band I know that the influence on myay although not obvious can affect my spiritual health in the lng run and “may” lead to “spiritual death”. As a catholic I should be mindful of any infuence that may take my focus of of God.

That’s just my take on it friend.

 

[Joe_5859]

Essentially, when we buy music from an artist, we are supporting that artist. Therefore, if the artist has a lifestyle of sin, our support of their music is also a support of that lifestyle.

IMO, this is one of the weakest reasons for not listening to a particular artist. If we honestly followed this advice in every aspect of our life we would have to research the personal lives of the producer (and manufacturer and distributor) of every single product we use. The end result would be that we probably couldn’t buy anything.

Do we really need to evaluate people’s personal lives before deciding whether we can shop at a certain store or buy a certain brand of toothpaste? How about the lifestyle of the CEO of the company that made my computer or my car? Maybe it’s not the CEO, but simply one of the people that works for the car manufacturer that is living an unrepentant sinful lifestyle. My purchase is thus enabling them to continue on in that lifestyle (by giving money to the car dealer, who gives the money to the car manufacturer, who pays that person’s salary). And I can no longer pay my utility bills by mail because I’m pretty sure there’s someone at my local post office who identifies themselves as “Wiccan”. The purchase of some stamps funds this person’s salary, which enables them to buy alls sorts of crystals and incense for their false religion.

These are silly examples, but I use them to make a point.

I understand the sentiment, and I believe it’s a noble one. But it’s simply not workable. The only way to really live this out would be to build your own house, make your own clothes, and grow your own food completely independent from anyone else. Anyone is welcome to live that way if they desire, but the Church does not require that (and anyone who is on their computer reading this thread obviously does not live their life that way).

I don’t quite understand why this argument always surfaces only in certain realms. When it comes to music, movies, and TV, I always see this argument about refusing to patronize them due to the sinful lifestyle of the artist. And yet I seldom see this argument used as the basis of other purchasing decisions. Why not? Why is it different to lend our money to the financial support of an artist living a sinful lifestyle as opposed to supporting the co-habitating cashier working at Walmart?

 

[Worthy5]

You don’t have to worry about Led Zepplin or anything for that matter. rest our cares wit the Lord. What we have to do is be prudent and wise about what we take in through our five senses. I don’t smoke, not because it will kill me instantly, but because eventually it can make me sick and that may lead to my death.

For the same reason I know that music is very influential and if I see signs of occult influence in lyrics or the band I know that the influence on myay although not obvious can affect my spiritual health in the lng run and “may” lead to “spiritual death”. As a catholic I should be mindful of any infuence that may take my focus of of God.

That’s just my take on it friend.

Thank you my friend. Next up " Rock n Roll"

 

[kinja]

IMO, this is one of the weakest reasons for not listening to a particular artist. If we honestly followed this advice in every aspect of our life we would have to research the personal lives of the producer (and manufacturer and distributor) of every single product we use. The end result would be that we probably couldn’t buy anything.

I think what is really weak is to presume that you need to listen to contemporary music in the first place in order to live. There is alot of good gospel and classical music out there that does alot to uplift God. If you know that a certain clothing designer was a racist and a satanist and neo-nazi or someone whose agenda was to see your ethic group destroyed would you buy his/her clothing? I would not buy. Similarly if I know that a rock, rap, pop or any other group members subscribe to or promote in their music any anti-christian ideologies then why would I feel the desire to support or listen to it? I would have to be literally under some sort of influence by the music or musician to embrace this music or defend it in any way.

Frankly some people in this forum seem to be heavily influenced by the music they listen to. To the point that they try to play off witchcraft, occult and pagan practices and beliefs as relates to music and musicians as not satanic - (so therefore it’s not bad to listen to their music). This is what I find to be weak.

Do we really need to evaluate people’s personal lives before deciding whether we can shop at a certain store or buy a certain brand of toothpaste? How about the lifestyle of the CEO of the company that made my computer or my car? Maybe it’s not the CEO, but simply one of the people that works for the car manufacturer that is living an unrepentant sinful lifestyle. My purchase is thus enabling them to continue on in that lifestyle (by giving money to the car dealer, who gives the money to the car manufacturer, who pays that person’s salary). And I can no longer pay my utility bills by mail because I’m pretty sure there’s someone at my local post office who identifies themselves as “Wiccan”. The purchase of some stamps funds this person’s salary, which enables them to buy alls sorts of crystals and incense for their false religion.

The difference is that music unlike cars or utilities cannot influence someone’s behaviour. Music has been proven to have the ability to create altered states of conciousness and induce certain types of behaviour. There are many studies on the effect of music on the mind by notworthy psychologists and experts (eg. Music the brain and ecstasy - Robert Jourdain) “music is the most the immediate of all the arts”.

Quoted Dr. Richard Pellegrino - “Take it from a brain guy, In 25 years of working witht the brain I still cannot affect a person’s state of mind the way one simple song can.”

He wasn’t talking about Chopin or the Benedictine Monks only. He is including the Led Zeps and the ACDCs and Korns as well in that statement.

I understand the sentiment, and I believe it’s a noble one. But it’s simply not workable.

It’s not workable or are we not wlling to do the work and ensure that we are not party to the sinful acts by listening to things that only glorify the carnal and ignore or mock God and His laws?

The only way to really live this out would be to build your own house, make your own clothes, and grow your own food completely independent from anyone else. Anyone is welcome to live that way if they desire, but the Church does not require that (and anyone who is on their computer reading this thread obviously does not live their life that way).

The Church (clergy) does not make any direct pronouncement about a particular group or artist or song. Rather the Church gives guidelines based on scripture and revelation that tell us how to be discerning and how to live good christian lives. But Pope John Paul II (God rest his soul), made a pronouncement that catholics should be wary of rock music.

Pope Benedict XVI early on labeled rock festivals as a “cultic character, a form of worship,” and declared rock and pop music as “anti-Christian.” He afterwards stated that rock is the work of Satan.

I’m sure alot of technology and inventions which were invented by satanists and occultists etc are being used to glorify God by good catholics and other christians. How is Led Zep’s music being used to do the same? If it isn’t then that is when we need to question what the purpose is. Everything under the sun has a purpose.

I don’t quite understand why this argument always surfaces only in certain realms. When it comes to music, movies, and TV, I always see this argument about refusing to patronize them due to the sinful lifestyle of the artist. And yet I seldom see this argument used as the basis of other purchasing decisions. Why not? Why is it different to lend our money to the financial support of an artist living a sinful lifestyle as opposed to supporting the co-habitating cashier working at Walmart?

The difference is Joe that we need to eat and brush our teeth and drive and we are using these things to safeguard our bodies which are templed of the Holy Spirit. Does secular music have a place in our list of needs? If anyone can say yes to this question then I would say that it is a need born out of addiction, not a true need. Besides there is other music that was made specifically for worship. Why do we feel because it is hard to avoid most types of music and find good godly music to enjoy that it is not workable or not meant to be?

 

[Joe_5859]

I think what is really weak is to presume that you need to listen to contemporary music in the first place in order to live. There is alot of good gospel and classical music out there that does alot to uplift God. If you know that a certain clothing designer was a racist and a satanist and neo-nazi or someone whose agenda was to see your ethic group destroyed would you buy his/her clothing? I would not buy. Similarly if I know that a rock, rap, pop or any other group members subscribe to or promote in their music any anti-christian ideologies then why would I feel the desire to support or listen to it? I would have to be literally under some sort of influence by the music or musician to embrace this music or defend it in any way.

Frankly some people in this forum seem to be heavily influenced by the music they listen to. To the point that they try to play off witchcraft, occult and pagan practices and beliefs as relates to music and musicians as not satanic - (so therefore it’s not bad to listen to their music). This is what I find to be weak.

This is a bit of a misdirect. When did I say one needs to listen to contemporary music in order to really live? I’m simply pointing out what I preceive to be a very weak argument. I’m not saying that there aren’t other potentially stronger arguments, but I was not addressing them in my post.

The difference is that music unlike cars or utilities cannot influence someone’s behaviour. Music has been proven to have the ability to create altered states of conciousness and induce certain types of behaviour. There are many studies on the effect of music on the mind by notworthy psychologists and experts (eg. Music the brain and ecstasy - Robert Jourdain) “music is the most the immediate of all the arts”.

Quoted Dr. Richard Pellegrino - “Take it from a brain guy, In 25 years of working witht the brain I still cannot affect a person’s state of mind the way one simple song can.”

He wasn’t talking about Chopin or the Benedictine Monks only. He is including the Led Zeps and the ACDCs and Korns as well in that statement.

Okay, but now we’re talking about a completely different argument. My post was really of a very limited scope. My only purpose was to say that this one argument is a weak one: don’t patronize musicians that lead sinful lifestyles because you are giving them money to continue their sinful lifestyles.

It’s not workable or are we not wlling to do the work and ensure that we are not party to the sinful acts by listening to things that only glorify the carnal and ignore or mock God and His laws?

Not sure how this relates to my post.

The Church (clergy) does not make any direct pronouncement about a particular group or artist or song. Rather the Church gives guidelines based on scripture and revelation that tell us how to be discerning and how to live good christian lives. But to the contrary Pope John Paul II (God rest his soul), made a pronouncement that catholics should

Okay, now you’re leaving me hanging. Either you forgot to finish this paragraph or I’m missing something. What is it that JPII said Catholics should do?

EDIT: Okay, I see you edited your post to include “…be wary of rock music.” I would like to see the citation for JPII’s comment. Being vigilant is a good thing, but it doesn’t mean that rock music, as a whole, is evil.

Pope Benedict labeled rock festivals as a “cultic character, a form of worship,” and declared rock and pop music as “anti-Christian.” He afterwards, in the epoch of his musical enlightenment, stated that rock is the work of Satan.

Could you reference the quote by Benedict XVI where he says that “rock is the work of Satan”? I own “The Spirit of the Liturgy”, so you can just give me a page number if you want. I’d like to see it in context.

I’m sure alot of technology and inventions which were invented by satanists and occultists etc are being used to glorify God by good catholics and other christians. How is Led Zep’s music being used to do the same? If it isn’t then that is when we need to question what the purpose is. Everything under the sun has a purpose.

Again, now you are getting into a different argument, one which I was not addressing with my post. I would say, though, that the purpose of much contemporary music is simply recreation.

The difference is Joe that we need to eat and brush our teeth and drive and we are using these things to safeguard our bodies which are templed of the Holy Spirit. Does secular music have a place in our list of needs? If anyone can say yes to this question then I would say that it is a need born out of addiction, not a true need. Besides there is other music that was made specifically for worship. Why do we feel because it is hard to avoid most types of music and find good godly music to enjoy that it is not workable or not meant to be?

Okay, then what about things that are not necessities? TV isn’t necessary. The internet isn’t necessary. Should I not use Microsoft Windows or a hotmail e-mail address if I believe Bill Gates is leading a sinful lifestyle? Should I not buy Chips Ahoy! cookies because they are made by Nabisco, who is owned by Kraft, who is (or at least was) owned by Philip Morris (producer of tobacco products)?

Okay, now I’m veering off of my original argument to make a general comment and get your thoughts on it. Certainly, everything in our lives should be ordered towards God. Recreation is a legitimate enterprise. But not everything we listen to or watch has to be explicitly Christian. Would you agree or disagree with that?

 

[kinja]

Okay, now I’m veering off of my original argument to make a general comment and get your thoughts on it. Certainly, everything in our lives should be ordered towards God. Recreation is a legitimate enterprise. But not everything we listen to or watch has to be explicitly Christian. Would you agree or disagree with that?

Not everything has to be explicitly christian I agree. But we should not listen to things that do the opposite and glorify man or sinfulness.

Recreation is legitimate also. But if recreation, I presume you mean listening to music, gloryfies sin instead of God then it may be dangerous (we wrestle not against flesh and blood). We are using the internet to glorify God by having these discussions on matters of faith and morals yes? Led Zepplin as a band has on record one backmasked song, an avid interest in the occult and witchcraft, a devotion to the occultist Aleister Crowley and songs that promote humanism and antichristian ideologies. C’mon it doesn;t take rocket science to show that if it’s not good then it’s bad. The Word of God says we must FLEE from sin. Not walk away casually looking back but FLEE. The urgency is lost on so many of us catholics who like to live lukewarm lives, one foot in God’s house and the other in hell.

 

[Joe_5859]

Not everything has to be explicitly christian I agree. But we should not listen to things that do the opposite and glorify man or sinfulness.

Recreation is legitimate also. But if recreation, I presume you mean listening to music, gloryfies sin instead of God then it may be dangerous (we wrestle not against flesh and blood). We are using the internet to glorify God by having these discussions on matters of faith and morals yes? Led Zepplin as a band has on record one backmasked song, an avid interest in the occult and witchcraft, a devotion to the occultist Aleister Crowley and songs that promote humanism and antichristian ideologies. C’mon it doesn;t take rocket science to show that if it’s not good then it’s bad. The Word of God says we must FLEE from sin. Not walk away casually looking back but FLEE. The urgency is lost on so many of us catholics who like to live lukewarm lives, one foot in God’s house and the other in hell.

Fair enough. I had thought that all that stuff about Stairway to Heaven backwards was proven false? In any case, I could see writing off that one song (if that allegation is true), but that doesn’t mean that every Led Zeppelin song is problematic.

I’m not really familiar with the lyrical content of Led Zeppelin. Could you tell me which of their songs are anti-Christian?

Honestly, I don’t even listen to Led Zeppelin. For me, the issue is whether or not we write off a whole band (or even a whole genre of music) because some of it is bad. I don’t think that’s necessary.

 

[kinja]

Fair enough. I had thought that all that stuff about Stairway to Heaven backwards was proven false?

No I heard it myself. Actualy a friewnd of mine and I go around to youth groups and churches doing seminars on the powerful influence of music. We have compiled quite a bit of research into the roots of contemporary music and it’s effects on the mind and body. In it we use the backmasked stairway to heaven song among others as evidence of backwards messages.

Honestly, I don’t even listen to Led Zeppelin. For me, the issue is whether or not we write off a whole band (or even a whole genre of music) because some of it is bad. I don’t think that’s necessary.

It’s up to everyone who listens to the music to check out the songs for themselves if they are serious. If you got a worm in your food at a restaurant would you ask for a replacement plate and go back there again to eat? Would you have the expectation that not every plate they serve you would be bad or find another restaurant to eat at?

The same can be said for the music in my opinion. yes not all their songs might be bad but if one song is found contradicting or even mocking your beliefs is it worth it to go back to that same restaurant / (music band) to enjoy their meal (music) after finding signs of rot rot in one meal?

 

[Worthy5]

No I heard it myself. Actualy a friewnd of mine and I go around to youth groups and churches doing seminars on the powerful influence of music. We have compiled quite a bit of research into the roots of contemporary music and it’s effects on the mind and body. In it we use the backmasked stairway to heaven song among others as evidence of backwards messages.

It’s up to everyone who listens to the music to check out the songs for themselves if they are serious. If you got a worm in your food at a restaurant would you ask for a replacement plate and go back there again to eat? Would you have the expectation that not every plate they serve you would be bad or find another restaurant to eat at?

The same can be said for the music in my opinion. yes not all their songs might be bad but if one song is found contradicting or even mocking your beliefs is it worth it to go back to that same restaurant / (music band) to enjoy their meal (music) after finding signs of rot rot in one meal?

My friend get real, you are not going to convince people that listening to Led Zepplin needs to be a major concern in their life. Next up " The Ocean"

 

[kinja]

My friend get real, you are not going to convince people that listening to Led Zepplin needs to be a major concern in their life. Next up " The Ocean"

I’m being quite real actually pal. I never said that it has to be a major concern in anyone’s life. It’s not a concern in mine as I don’t listen to them period.

It’s not my job to convince anyone of anything. I simply provide a point of view. It is up to each one of us to analyse or ignore the information we take in via our senses and make a decision. It’s called free will. Whatever someone does or does not do after I present what I know to them is not on my head.

 

[Worthy5]

I’m being quite real actually pal. I never said that it has to be a major concern in anyone’s life. It’s not a concern in mine as I don’t listen to them period.

It’s not my job to convince anyone of anything. I simply provide a point of view. It is up to each one of us to analyse or ignore the information we take in via our senses and make a decision. It’s called free will. Whatever someone does or does not do after I present what I know to them is not on my head.

Next up! " Four Sticks".

 

[Joe_5859]

No I heard it myself. Actualy a friewnd of mine and I go around to youth groups and churches doing seminars on the powerful influence of music. We have compiled quite a bit of research into the roots of contemporary music and it’s effects on the mind and body. In it we use the backmasked stairway to heaven song among others as evidence of backwards messages.

So, how exactly do you play the song backwards? Do you own a copy on record and spin it backwards? Do you have the song on casette or CD? I don’t mean to be flip, but I ask with all sincerity. I don’t even know how I would go about playing a song backwards, so I am quite curious how to do it.

Obviously, I’m anti-Satan. But allow me to ask an obvious question. What does it matter if a song has some secret backwards message? Is there a psychological study that proves that listening to backwards messages in songs has an impact on a person’s behavior? I have never listened to a song backwards. I have a hard time believing that any “secret” message can actually affect people. I know that music can work on subconscious levels, but I think subliminal messages are a whole different thing.

It’s up to everyone who listens to the music to check out the songs for themselves if they are serious. If you got a worm in your food at a restaurant would you ask for a replacement plate and go back there again to eat? Would you have the expectation that not every plate they serve you would be bad or find another restaurant to eat at?

The same can be said for the music in my opinion. yes not all their songs might be bad but if one song is found contradicting or even mocking your beliefs is it worth it to go back to that same restaurant / (music band) to enjoy their meal (music) after finding signs of rot rot in one meal?

So, in other words, you are a strong advocate of throwing the baby out with the bathwater?

I can come up with another analogy. Suppose you come upon a pile of manure in your front yard, but you see a 20 carat diamond nestled right on top. Would you throw out the whole pile (the band’s entire discography), or would you grab that diamond (those songs that are good and consistent with Christian beliefs) and throw out the rest?

That’s the problem with analogies. They only work if one believes the situations are actually analogous.

Since you have done your research, can you please tell me specifically what lyrics of Led Zeppelin’s are antithetical to Christianity (other than this “secret” message)?

I don’t know if this question would be off-topic or not, but I’m curious: Do you think all rock music is inherently bad to listen to, or just certain bands (like Led Zeppelin)?

 

[kinja]

So, how exactly do you play the song backwards? Do you own a copy on record and spin it backwards? Do you have the song on casette or CD? I don’t mean to be flip, but I ask with all sincerity. I don’t even know how I would go about playing a song backwards, so I am quite curious how to do it.

It is actually quite simple. All you need is a high quality mp3 or wav version of the song on your computer. If it is mp3 then convert it to wav and open it in windows sound recorder (which comes with MS Windows). In the menu click on Efects->Reverse. Voilla!! Your song has been reversed and you can play it backwards. Part of the led zepplin song that is reversed starts when he sings “if there’s a bustle in your hedgegrow, don’t be alarmed now, it’s just a spring clean for the May Queen” backwards it says “OOh here’s to my sweet satan. the one whose little path would make me sad. whose power is satan. he’ll give those with him six six six. there was a little toolshed where he made us suffer sad satan…”

Obviously, I’m anti-Satan. But allow me to ask an obvious question. What does it matter if a song has some secret backwards message? Is there a psychological study that proves that listening to backwards messages in songs has an impact on a person’s behavior? I have never listened to a song backwards. I have a hard time believing that any “secret” message can actually affect people. I know that music can work on subconscious levels, but I think subliminal messages are a whole different thing.

There is a man called David John Oates who claims to have uncovered something called reverse speech. You can look him up and I’m sure there are others. Now you will agree that because you have never heard of any study on reverse speech / messages affect on the human mind that does not mean that it has no effect. The fact that messages have been embedded in music begs the question to me . . .Why? The only reason someone can have for doing that to a mainstream song is to cause some sort of effect on the listener. Do I really want to risk being subliminally influenced by a song that I don’t have to listen to due to my lack of knowledge of this topic? Do I want to risk my own mental health on the fact that current mainstream psychological research has not turned up anything indicating the effects of this method on the mind? The answer for me is no. I don’t think it is wise.

So, in other words, you are a strong advocate of throwing the baby out with the bathwater?

no I just don’t believe in risking my safety for the sake of listening to a song or band that doesn’t even know I exist anyway.

I can come up with another analogy. Suppose you come upon a pile of manure in your front yard, but you see a 20 carat diamond nestled right on top. Would you throw out the whole pile (the band’s entire discography), or would you grab that diamond (those songs that are good and consistent with Christian beliefs) and throw out the rest?

I would weigh the risk of taking the diamond out of it and having to deal with ****. But in the case of your analogy I see no diamonds (christian themes) in any of that band’s music.

I don’t know if this question would be off-topic or not, but I’m curious: Do you think all rock music is inherently bad to listen to, or just certain bands (like Led Zeppelin)?

Not all rock music but alot of it that glorifies the sinful nature (most of it does). If you research the roots and history of rock music you’ll see what I mean (Robert Johnson). See the video hells bells 2 on your tube.

 

[Joe_5859]

It is actually quite simple. All you need is a high quality mp3 or wav version of the song on your computer. If it is mp3 then convert it to wav and open it in windows sound recorder (which comes with MS Windows). In the menu click on Efects->Reverse. Voilla!! Your song has been reversed and you can play it backwards. Part of the led zepplin song that is reversed starts when he sings “if there’s a bustle in your hedgegrow, don’t be alarmed now, it’s just a spring clean for the May Queen” backwards it says “OOh here’s to my sweet satan. the one whose little path would make me sad. whose power is satan. he’ll give those with him six six six. there was a little toolshed where he made us suffer sad satan…”

I didn’t know it was that easy. Learn something new every day.

There is a man called David John Oates who claims to have uncovered something called reverse speech. You can look him up and I’m sure there are others. Now you will agree that because you have never heard of any study on reverse speech / messages affect on the human mind that does not mean that it has no effect. The fact that messages have been embedded in music begs the question to me . . .Why? The only reason someone can have for doing that to a mainstream song is to cause some sort of effect on the listener. Do I really want to risk being subliminally influenced by a song that I don’t have to listen to due to my lack of knowledge of this topic? Do I want to risk my own mental health on the fact that current mainstream psychological research has not turned up anything indicating the effects of this method on the mind? The answer for me is no. I don’t think it is wise.

I did look up Oates and it seems his reverse speech ideas have been rejected by the scientific community as pseudoscience source]. That doesn’t bode well for his credibility. I can see rock musicians putting backwards stuff in a song just because they think it’s “cool”, not because of sinister motives. Or perhaps they do have sinister motives and buy into the reverse speech “pseudoscience”. That still doesn’t mean it actually works.

no I just don’t believe in risking my safety for the sake of listening to a song or band that doesn’t even know I exist anyway.

Perhaps I’m naïve, but I guess I underestimate a band’s ability to subliminally turn me into a minion of Satan. I’m firm enough in my faith that I know it won’t be shaken by any song or movie.

I would weigh the risk of taking the diamond out of it and having to deal with ****. But in the case of your analogy I see no diamonds (christian themes) in any of that band’s music.

Fair enough. I’m still waiting to hear about some of Led Zeppelin’s specifically anti-Christian lyrics, though.

Not all rock music but alot of it that glorifies the sinful nature (most of it does). If you research the roots and history of rock music you’ll see what I mean (Robert Johnson). See the video hells bells 2 on your tube.

Not to make broad, sweeping generalizations, though, right?

Maybe I’m just an optimist who has a habit of looking for the good in everything. I do listen to a lot of rock music (actually, mostly heavy metal), but I don’t feel that most of it glorifies sin. It’s simply impossible to make anything close to a universal statement when it comes to the lyrical content of a whole genre of music. Some of the bands I listen to are Christian and write on Christian themes. Others write songs in the fantasy vein, often drawing on the literary legacy of (devout Catholic) J.R.R. Tolkien. Others write Science Fiction lyrics. Others write about the human condition the way any poet would do. Not all of it is 100% in accord with Catholic teaching, but that doesn’t mean nothing can be gained from it.

As to the history of rock and roll, I don’t think it matters much. I did look at Robert Johnson. I assume you are referring to the myth that he sold his soul to the devil in exchange for the ability to play the guitar. Is that urban legend supposed to be a serious reason why a whole genre of music is “tainted”? I don’t buy it. Even if rock did originate that way, that doesn’t mean anything. Something that started off bad can later be used for good.

For me, the discussion on the evils of rock music always comes down to this: Is it possible that a particular musical instrument or instruments, or even the way that they are played, can be inherently evil? If the answer is “No”, then it seems to me quite impossible to say that rock music is always (or even usually) problematic. If the answer is “Yes”, well then my next question is “How?” I am very skeptical that a particular series of sounds can be inherently evil. The best that I can tell, sound is morally neutral.

Anyway, I’m enjoying our discussion. I like to think about these things.

 

[Michael_C]

I still enjoy Led Zeppelin songs…just not as much lately as I was listening to them in the 70’s.

It’s amazing how bands from 30 - 40 years ago still top rock record sales. it seems there’s no artists anymore.

The trend seems to be to make on hit, rake in the cash, get caught up in a scandal, get out.

I guess the days of making a great “album” have come and gone.

 

[Worthy5]

It is actually quite simple. All you need is a high quality mp3 or wav version of the song on your computer. If it is mp3 then convert it to wav and open it in windows sound recorder (which comes with MS Windows). In the menu click on Efects->Reverse. Voilla!! Your song has been reversed and you can play it backwards. Part of the led zepplin song that is reversed starts when he sings “if there’s a bustle in your hedgegrow, don’t be alarmed now, it’s just a spring clean for the May Queen” backwards it says “OOh here’s to my sweet satan. the one whose little path would make me sad. whose power is satan. he’ll give those with him six six six. there was a little toolshed where he made us suffer sad satan…”

There is a man called David John Oates who claims to have uncovered something called reverse speech. You can look him up and I’m sure there are others. Now you will agree that because you have never heard of any study on reverse speech / messages affect on the human mind that does not mean that it has no effect. The fact that messages have been embedded in music begs the question to me . . .Why? The only reason someone can have for doing that to a mainstream song is to cause some sort of effect on the listener. Do I really want to risk being subliminally influenced by a song that I don’t have to listen to due to my lack of knowledge of this topic? Do I want to risk my own mental health on the fact that current mainstream psychological research has not turned up anything indicating the effects of this method on the mind? The answer for me is no. I don’t think it is wise.

no I just don’t believe in risking my safety for the sake of listening to a song or band that doesn’t even know I exist anyway.

Safety, come on, you must be kidding. Then how come so many people listent to it and they are just fine. Next up " Houses of the Holy"

 

[jam070406]

I can listen to Zep for the drumming alone. Bonzo is/was the greatest rock drummer of all time. (IMHO)

 

[Worthy5]

I can listen to Zep for the drumming alone. Bonzo is/was the greatest rock drummer of all time. (IMHO)

Led Zepplin is the greatest band of all time hands down. Bonzo was awesome but remember Neil Peart and Keith Moon were top drummers. Next up " Immigrant Song"

 

[Rose5]

Plant was into Tolkien. A few of their songs have LOTR references in them too btw.

I’m a huge Zep fan myself.

Thank You!

If I am not mistaken Mr. Tolkien was a practicing Catholic.
I do not reference this to say that R. Plant was possibly not into the Occult.

 

[emma411]

Okay, hello everybody, I stumbled across this post and joined up so I could add my own thoughts.

I feel like this is also a bigger issue–what music is appropriate for us as Catholics to listen to–but I think the answer is pretty simple.

Essentially, when we buy music from an artist, we are supporting that artist. Therefore, if the artist has a lifestyle of sin, our support of their music is also a support of that lifestyle.

Generally, my view of music is that if I question some of the lyrics, or if they make me uneasy, I don’t listen to it. The artist is also important to me, and even if there is nothing “bad” about their music, if they lead a life contrary to a follower Christ, then I don’t listen to them or support them.

God always provides. If we give something up for the sake of His love, think of how much He can do with that sacrifice?

Anyway, just my thoughts.

I agree. Music has a stronger influence then we are willing to admit, and our money does support their lifestyle. A rather interesting point.