"Left Behind" Books Anti-Catholic?

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There is a story in the current issue of “Vanity Faire” about the guy who wrote these books, as well as about the books themselves. This guy sounds like a nut to me and he seems pretty anti-Catholic. Anybody read or heard about this guy/these books? Any thoughts, comments? I know that they are hugely popular in Protestant circles and as I’m the only Catholic in my family I’d like to be prepared should any body bring these books up. Thanks.
 
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koda:
There is a story in the current issue of “Vanity Faire” about the guy who wrote these books, as well as about the books themselves. This guy sounds like a nut to me and he seems pretty anti-Catholic. Anybody read or heard about this guy/these books? Any thoughts, comments? I know that they are hugely popular in Protestant circles and as I’m the only Catholic in my family I’d like to be prepared should any body bring these books up. Thanks.
Because I have been asked so many times about them, I forced myself to read some of them.

The answer in a nutshell?

Yes, they are anti-Catholic and viciously so. For that matter, they are anti-Orthodox, and anti-Anglican, and anti-Lutheran, etc. They are anti anything except a very narrow form of American Fundamentalism. The writing is also incredibly atrocious.

The two authors, Tim LaHaye and Jerry B. Jenkins, are very definitely fundamentalists. LaHaye, who provides the “theology” behind the books, is a product of Bob Jones University. I’ve read some of his stuff and seen him on TV. He comes off as incredibly arrogant and one gets the distinct impression that he is actually looking forward to seeing all his enemies roast in hell. Jerry B. Jenkins, who provides the actual novelization, should know better, and apparently, used to know better – writing for influentual, conservative – but not inflammatory – evangelical Protestant publications.
 
I do recall that those who wrote the Left Behind sereis (forgot exactly who they are) did also write a non-fiction book which is very anti-Catholic. Anyway, all I can say about the Left Behind series is that it got left behind real quickly.
 
I read them all - they are actually somewhat entertaining but on a little more elementary writing level. I enjoyed ferreting out the non-Catholic parts of the story, as parts were certainly consistent with Catholic since there are some similarities between any Christians. It was actually fun to re-read the parts of the Bible where they cite Scripture, and see where they construe things in a different way. I also grabbed some good Catholic commentaries to learn from.

I actually learned a lot about the Catholic teachings of Revelation by doing this, which is the reason I went after it. Some people can’t stand to read anything other than the absolute truth, either because it makes them mad or they consider it a waste of time. If you are in that group, don’t read them you won’t be a happy camper 😉
 
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awalt:
I read them all - they are actually somewhat entertaining but on a little more elementary writing level. I enjoyed ferreting out the non-Catholic parts of the story, as parts were certainly consistent with Catholic since there are some similarities between any Christians. It was actually fun to re-read the parts of the Bible where they cite Scripture, and see where they construe things in a different way. I also grabbed some good Catholic commentaries to learn from.

I actually learned a lot about the Catholic teachings of Revelation by doing this, which is the reason I went after it. Some people can’t stand to read anything other than the absolute truth, either because it makes them mad or they consider it a waste of time. If you are in that group, don’t read them you won’t be a happy camper 😉
You’re right they’re entertaining, I read a couple of chapters from one book that my grandfather picked up (he’s into reading, so he didn’t really use his best judgment when picking this one up, basically he’ll read anything that’s free/cheap ;)). The books have no Biblical basis in them whatsoever, and apart from that, the “theology” behind them is strictly a product of American Fundamentalist Dispensationalism (with some ties to the Charismatic Movement). For a group of people that claim to be Sola Scriptura, they sure do twist scripture to get their theology to work. Good for a laugh, but I wouldn’t buy these books new (so they don’t get any royalties), so if you have to read them to counter them, pick them up used.
 
David Zampino:
Because I have been asked so many times about them, I forced myself to read some of them.

The answer in a nutshell?

Yes, they are anti-Catholic and viciously so. For that matter, they are anti-Orthodox, and anti-Anglican, and anti-Lutheran, etc. They are anti anything except a very narrow form of American Fundamentalism. The writing is also incredibly atrocious.

The two authors, Tim LaHaye and Jerry B. Jenkins, are very definitely fundamentalists. LaHaye, who provides the “theology” behind the books, is a product of Bob Jones University. I’ve read some of his stuff and seen him on TV. He comes off as incredibly arrogant and one gets the distinct impression that he is actually looking forward to seeing all his enemies roast in hell. Jerry B. Jenkins, who provides the actual novelization, should know better, and apparently, used to know better – writing for influentual, conservative – but not inflammatory – evangelical Protestant publications.
Thanks, I appreciate your taking the time to post. I didn’t realize they were from Bob Jones. I do remember, now that you mention it, that the Vanity Faire story mentioned them really looking forward to Armgeddon. There were a group of them visiting the Holy Land which is when the story was done. I remember reading that they can’t wait for their enemies to suffer (which I guess includes us). Scary.
 
Didn’t they attempt to dispel the notion that the books were anti-Catholic by having (in one of them) the pope become “saved” and start to “reform” the Church so it would be the way it was supposed to be? :rotfl:

I’m serious.
 
If the series is anti-catholic than i am glad i left the catholic church a couple years ago. The problem is the catholic church as well as most other churches do not teach what the bible says. The left behind series is excellent and wholly based on scripture directly from the bible. There is no skewed interpretation of the bible as they do not interpret the bible, but believe as I do that the bible is written plainly. If you need to interpret it than you are lying to yourself. Why would GOD leave the bible in a way that would confuse us or open to interpretation so that we could have thousands of religions claim they now the correct interpretation as is now the case.
 
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mikey1974:
If the series is anti-catholic than i am glad i left the catholic church a couple years ago. The problem is the catholic church as well as most other churches do not teach what the bible says. The left behind series is excellent and wholly based on scripture directly from the bible. There is no skewed interpretation of the bible as they do not interpret the bible, but believe as I do that the bible is written plainly. If you need to interpret it than you are lying to yourself. Why would GOD leave the bible in a way that would confuse us or open to interpretation so that we could have thousands of religions claim they now the correct interpretation as is now the case.
A) He did leave it that way. He left it in the hands of a living magisterium, the bishops, the successors to the Apostles, to interpret it. You’re last statement makes no sense at all. That’s our argument for submitting to the magisterium: if there was no teaching office, people would hive off on their own and form their own churches based on their own “interpretations.”

B) The idea that Jesus would come once and save the Church from the Tribulation, then come again at the end of the Tribulation, is a product of 19th century thought that up until the 19th Century wasn’t even believed by most Protestants. It’s conjecture contained in the notes of the Scofield Bible. Basically, a false theology has been based on speculative commentary. This was not believed in the Apostolic age, nor the Patristic age, nor by the Orthodox or Catholic Churches after the the split, nor by virtually all Protestant groups until the 19th century. To give creedance to this makes about as much sense as paying attention to Joseph Smith.
 
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koda:
There is a story in the current issue of “Vanity Faire” about the guy who wrote these books, as well as about the books themselves. This guy sounds like a nut to me and he seems pretty anti-Catholic. Anybody read or heard about this guy/these books? Any thoughts, comments? I know that they are hugely popular in Protestant circles and as I’m the only Catholic in my family I’d like to be prepared should any body bring these books up. Thanks.
One of my co-workers said that he has studied these books and asked deep questions, etc. My first thought was how can you take these books seriously-there is no inspiration of the Holy Spirit here. These are fiction books. And this person is definately anti-Catholic. I can see that he is hungry for what we have in our Faith-the writings of the saints, the historical facts, the Papal teachings. I feel bad that he is looking in all the wrong places for his answers. I just try to set an example and let him know that I will converse whenever he wants.
 
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mikey1974:
If the series is anti-catholic than i am glad i left the catholic church a couple years ago. The problem is the catholic church as well as most other churches do not teach what the bible says. The left behind series is excellent and wholly based on scripture directly from the bible. There is no skewed interpretation of the bible as they do not interpret the bible, but believe as I do that the bible is written plainly. If you need to interpret it than you are lying to yourself. Why would GOD leave the bible in a way that would confuse us or open to interpretation so that we could have thousands of religions claim they now the correct interpretation as is now the case.
I don’t get this post at all. Are you claiming that the Left Behind series is the Word of God? They’re fiction novels. If you have any serious inquiries to about why the Catholic Church does/says, stick around and I’m sure we’ll do the best to answer your questions. Please go to catholic.com and type in “rapture”. The CC believes in a second coming of Christ, but she does not believe in pre-tribulational “rapture”. The rapture is an invention of the 18th century. As to the claim that the Catholic Church doesn’t do what the bible says, then you’re the one that’s going to have to back up that claim and start another thread (this one is purely discussing the Left Behind series).

God bless,
 
Definitely anti-Catholic. I read the whole series - half of the books before I became Catholic and the rest after. That could explain why I think the first 2-3 books are much better than the last ones. Then they killed off all the interesting characters. The final book in the the series is atrocious. The “plot” consists of Jesus coming back and the “dialogue” that Jesus says is only quotations from the Bible.

By the way, the Jesus in the final Left Behind book is 900 feet tall or something like that.

Whatever!
 
I read these books, but never finished the series…lost interest.

Ironically, the anti-Catholicism in the books actually drove me back to the Church, and made me seek answers. I found EWTN, Web of Faith, etc…and got my feet underneath me enough to dig out of the pit I was in.

Had it not been for these books,
  1. challenging me and offending me,
    and
  2. the anti-Catholic (ex-Catholic) friend of mine challenging the theology of the Church
Maybe I’d still be lost and confused. I KNEW that I didn’t want to be Baptist. (my friend was, and believed in the Rapture). I KNEW I didn’t want to be fundamentalis, and I KNEW that the Pope would never become the leader of a One-World “religion” wearing new Age symbols and serving the anti-Christ.

God Bless Holy Mother Church and praised be Jesus Christ for sending us the Holy Spirit to guide us and protect us from bad theology.

AMEN!
 
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mikey1974:
If the series is anti-catholic than i am glad i left the catholic church a couple years ago. The problem is the catholic church as well as most other churches do not teach what the bible says. The left behind series is excellent and wholly based on scripture directly from the bible. There is no skewed interpretation of the bible as they do not interpret the bible, but believe as I do that the bible is written plainly. If you need to interpret it than you are lying to yourself. Why would GOD leave the bible in a way that would confuse us or open to interpretation so that we could have thousands of religions claim they now the correct interpretation as is now the case.
God didn’t leave the Bible in a way that would confuse us or leave us open to misinterpretation. He left it in the care of the Catholic Church - first to write it, then assemble it and weed out the imposter writings, and finally to interpret it.

As to the series being based wholly on scripture with no interpretation, that statement in itself is self-contradicting. Unless the series and the Bible were the exact same thing, some interpretation is necessary. It may be more accurate to say that the series is based wholly on LaHaye’s and Jenkin’s interpretation of the Bible’s apocolyptic predictions. Catholics would just say that their interpretation may be in line with many Evangelical interpretations, but that doesn’t make it correct.

Finally, if you think the Bible doesn’t need interpretation, you are seriously mistaken. It is the favorite tool of anti-Christians (not just anti-Catholics) to debunk Christianity.

Anyway, back on topic. . . I read the first 8 or 10 books. I didn’t think they were blatantly anti-Catholic. Sure, they have the Pope bring all the religions of the world together for one global religion where anything goes, but they didn’t go around attacking the Eucharist, the priesthood, confession, Mary, or any of the other typical anti-Catholic targets. (and the Pope really isn’t that big of a character in the book, either) Maybe the last few in the series become more overtly anti-Catholic. I can’t say.
 
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mikey1974:
The problem is the catholic church… do not teach what the bible says.
Oh dear, not another supposedly “fallen away Catholic” claiming to have seen the “true light” of the “Just Me and Jesus” reformation and coming to rescue us all from our “traditions of men!”
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mikey1974:
…believe as I do that the bible is written plainly.
So I guess you, too, believe that Jesus spoke plainly in John 6, John 20:21-23, Matthew 16:18-19, Matthew 25:31-46, and John 21: 25.
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mikey1974:
Why would GOD leave the bible in a way that would confuse us or open to interpretation so that we could have thousands of religions claim they now the correct interpretation as is now the case.
Do you honestly think the Bible fell down in a leather bound KJV red-letter edition from heaven?? A council of Catholic bishops infallibly determined which books written by Catholic writers were inspired and infallibly determined the New Testament in 393 AD (council of Hippo) .

The Bible warns that it can be misinterpreted: "Know this first of all, that there is no prophesy of scripture that is a matter of personal interpretation” (2 Pt. 1:20). And “speaking of these things as he does in all his letters. In them there are some things hard to understand that the ignorant and unstable distort to their own destruction, just as they do other scriptures” (2 Pt. 3:16).

Oh, but to stay on topic, see what Catholic Answers has to say about the Left Behind series:catholic.com/library/false_profit.asp
 
You know what’s funny? These books were actually what pointed me BACK to the Church. (I had by CINO for about ten years.) I thought a “Revlation comes to life” book would make good sci-fi, so I picked up the first one. It was a very easy read and I quickly finished it, but in all my childhood as a Catholic, I had never heard of this mysterious “Rapture.” The research led to Catholic answers where I read some reviews that totally tore apart the theology behing Left Behind. I kind of chucked it off and decided I’d wait a month or two before picking up book number 2.

Shortly after that I was at a friend’s (former Catholic turned atheist) house and we happened to be watching FoxNews covering Pope John II. This was the day before his passing. This got us talking about how I just read Left Behind # 1 and how the Catholic Church says that the book is a bunch of…hooey. Then we got talking about religion in general and whether or not the Church can actually trace the Popes back to Peter. I said I didn’t know, but I’d check.

Since I had stumbled on Catholic.com for Left Behind, I came back here to find out about the Popes. Sure enough, that day JPII sadly passed away. I went to Saturday evening Mass a few hours later and never looked back.

Sorry that was so long. There’s more to the story but I wanted to keep this relevant to Left Behind. The Lord works in mysterious ways. 🙂
 
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RCCDefender:
Do you honestly think the Bible fell down in a leather bound KJV red-letter edition from heaven?? A council of Catholic bishops infallibly determined which books written by Catholic writers were inspired and infallibly determined the New Testament in 393 AD (council of Hippo) .

The Bible warns that it can be misinterpreted: "Know this first of all, that there is no prophesy of scripture that is a matter of personal interpretation” (2 Pt. 1:20). And “speaking of these things as he does in all his letters. In them there are some things hard to understand that the ignorant and unstable distort to their own destruction, just as they do other scriptures” (2 Pt. 3:16).

Oh, but to stay on topic, see what Catholic Answers has to say about the Left Behind series:catholic.com/library/false_profit.asp
I’m a convert to Catholicism and my Baptist relatives never really thought about where the Bible came from. This is an interesting fact about those who say they make up their own minds while the Catholics look to the Pope - most of them are gettting all their info from their pastor! They aren’t thinking for themselves. “Oh, I’ll have to ask my pastor…” Good grief.
 
I don’t visit non-Catholic discussion that often, I see what I’m missing…

mikey << The left behind series is excellent and wholly based on scripture directly from the bible. There is no skewed interpretation of the bible as they do not interpret the bible, but believe as I do that the bible is written plainly. >>

Two books for you:

Will Catholics Be Left Behind by Carl Olson (Catholic)

End Times Fiction by Gary DeMar (Reformed)

Thoroughly debunks the “biblical” nature of “Left Behind” theology. Dispensationalism is an interpretation that arose in the 1830s by John Nelson Darby, brought to this country by the footnotes in the C.I. Scofield Reference Bible. Thomas Ice (of Pre-Trib Research Center) gives it a go, but it can’t be found before this.

Phil P
 
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