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Do not beg.

Explain your understanding concerning how manufactured, addictive, and side effect laden pills are not benign and marijuana is benign.

I am willing to learn? Are you?

Allow me to aid you in our commencement and engagement in learning together…here is a free article for you to read…

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3570572/

Psychiatric Conditions Associated with Cannabis Abuse
Actually THC is not physically addictive. People CAN become psychologically dependent on it though. But same goes with alcohol, which can also be physically addictive. Alcohol also kills brain cells, cannabis does not-in fact, a study was done with synthetic THC that actually showed REGROWTH of brain cells. When vaporized, it doesn’t even have a single negative effect on your health. Unlike alcohol, you cannot overdose on it and it comes straight out of the ground in its pure form without the need of fermentation or chemical additives of any sort. In is not an intoxicant because it is not “toxic”, again, unlike alcohol.

It seems to me that cannabis is FAR healthier than alcohol and can easily be used in moderation. So what would be the moral problem with it?

It is legal in some states at the state level, which I think could morally trump Federal regulations, since the local level is where it is grown and dispensed and available. Not to mention that states’ rights advocates believe that the Federal government has no authority in these matters where the states have decided for themselves and it is not a matter of protecting the citizenry.

But what if a priest does say it is a mortal sin and another says it is not? Since the Church has no official position, isn’t it up to the individual?
 
I have high cholesterol, diabetes, a big weight gain and tardive dyskinesia because of one medication that I’m on (Zyprexa). This drug is really wicked! Other than eating foods that are low in carbohydrates, I try to eat normally. I’m not sure what foods are going to affect my depression or schizoaffective disorder. My doctors certainly did not tell me to control my diet other than the low carbohydrates. If there is an association between diet and depression and my schizoaffective disorder, I would be pleased to hear about it. 🙂
I am so pleased you asked. I just came across a book by William Davis, M.D… He points out the difference in wheat we eat today and wheat of yesterday, Einkorn wheat. The Gluten from the wheat that may be in many products you are not even aware of are not necessarily good for you and Gluten has been shown to affect the Brain with what he calls Exorphins. See here…

Wheat Belly: Lose the Wheat, Lose the Weight, and Find Your Path Back to Health by William Davis
Depressed mood associated with gluten sensitivity–resolution of symptoms with a gluten-free diet.
N Z Med J. 2012 Nov 23;125(1366):81-2. No abstract available.
Med Hypotheses. 2009 Sep;73(3):438-40. doi: 10.1016/j.mehy.2009.03.037. Epub 2009 Apr 29.
The gluten syndrome: a neurological disease.
Ford RP.
SourceThe Children’s Gastroenterology and Allergy Clinic, P.O. Box 25-265, Christchurch 8144, New Zealand. Rodney@rodneyford.co.nz
Abstract
Hypothesis: Gluten causes symptoms, in both celiac disease and non-celiac gluten-sensitivity, by its adverse actions on the nervous system. Many celiac patients experience neurological symptoms, frequently associated with malfunction of the autonomic nervous system. These neurological symptoms can present in celiac patients who are well nourished. The crucial point, however, is that gluten-sensitivity can also be associated with neurological symptoms in patients who do not have any mucosal gut damage (that is, without celiac disease). Gluten can cause neurological harm through a combination of cross reacting antibodies, immune complex disease and direct toxicity. These nervous system affects include: dysregulation of the autonomic nervous system, cerebella ataxia, hypotonia, developmental delay, learning disorders, depression, migraine, and headache. If gluten is the putative harmful agent, then there is no requirement to invoke gut damage and nutritional deficiency to explain the myriad of the symptoms experienced by sufferers of celiac disease and gluten-sensitivity. This is called “The Gluten Syndrome”.
Your doctor may not know about it as this doctor was unaware of it as well. It would be worth looking into removing Gluten from your diet, or all wheat products from your diet and see how you do. Einkorn wheat is available for purchase as pasta, flour and cookies.
 
But same goes with alcohol, which can also be physically addictive. Alcohol also kills brain cells, cannabis does not-in fact, a study was done with synthetic THC that actually showed REGROWTH of brain cells. When vaporized, it doesn’t even have a single negative effect on your health. Unlike alcohol, you cannot overdose on it and it comes straight out of the ground in its pure form without the need of fermentation or chemical additives of any sort. In is not an intoxicant because it is not “toxic”, again, unlike alcohol.

It seems to me that cannabis is FAR healthier than alcohol and can easily be used in moderation. So what would be the moral problem with it?

It is legal in some states at the state level, which I think could morally trump Federal regulations, since the local level is where it is grown and dispensed and available. Not to mention that states’ rights advocates believe that the Federal government has no authority in these matters where the states have decided for themselves and it is not a matter of protecting the citizenry.

But what if a priest does say it is a mortal sin and another says it is not? Since the Church has no official position, isn’t it up to the individual?
Actually THC is not physically addictive. People CAN become psychologically dependent on it though.
Explain this to me. Are you saying that you can start THC and then stop THC and there are no physical consequences on stopping?
 
Explain this to me. Are you saying that you can start THC and then stop THC and there are no physical consequences on stopping?
Absolutely correct. Some people become psychologically addicted, and may feel anxious or depressed after stopping if they smoke it a LOT (like, daily) or may have trouble sleeping if they are used to using it before bed. But there are no physical withdrawal symptoms and your body does not become addicted to it in any way.

When some people quit smoking cigarettes or drinking alcohol or using hard drugs, the body will go through withdrawal, tremors, nausea, heart palpitations, jitters, etc. this does not happen with THC. there is no actual physical addiction.
 
Absolutely correct. Some people become psychologically addicted, and may feel anxious or depressed after stopping if they smoke it a LOT (like, daily) or may have trouble sleeping if they are used to using it before bed. But there are no physical withdrawal symptoms and your body does not become addicted to it in any way.
I would say that your “Absolutely correct” does not fare well with published data that says you are incorrect…as seen here…
Presse Med. 2012 Dec;41(12 Pt 1):1233-40. doi: 10.1016/j.lpm.2012.07.016. Epub 2012 Oct 5.
[Cannabis: Use and dependence].
[Article in French]
Dervaux A, Laqueille X.
Source
Centre hospitalier Sainte-Anne, service d’addictologie Moreau-de-Tours, 75014 Paris, France. a.dervaux@ch-sainte-anne.fr
Abstract
The main characteristics of cannabis dependence are craving, persistent desire or unsuccessful efforts to cut down or control cannabis use and important social, occupational, or recreational activities given up or reduced because of cannabis use. Withdrawal symptoms include insomnia, irritability, anger, restlessness, depression, mood swings and cravings. Regular cannabis use induces cognitive impairment, especially of attention, episodic memory and working memory. Alcohol and other substances abuse or dependence are frequently found in patients with cannabis dependence. Psychiatric comorbidities are frequent in patients with cannabis dependence, in particular anxiety disorders, mood disorders, and personality disorders. The treatment of cannabis dependence includes behavioral psychotherapy, especially motivational interviewing and cognitive-behavioral therapy, alongside treatment of co-occurring mental health and substance use conditions. There are currently no available pharmacological treatment interventions for cannabis dependence. The treatment of cannabis dependence and withdrawal remains nonspecific.
and here…you can read an entire article on the topic…

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3371269/
State of the Art Treatments for Cannabis Dependence
Itai Danovitch, MD and David A. Gorelick, MD, PhD, DFAPA
Cannabis withdrawal
Increasing evidence from human laboratory and clinical studies indicates that there is a true cannabis withdrawal syndrome which has been proposed for inclusion in DSM-V
The commonest symptoms of cannabis withdrawal are:
• dysphoric mood (anxiety, irritability, depressed mood, restlessness)
• disturbed sleep
• gastrointestinal symptoms
• decreased appetite
and then here…
Am J Psychiatry. 2004 Nov;161(11):1967-77.
Review of the validity and significance of cannabis withdrawal syndrome.
Budney AJ, Hughes JR, Moore BA, Vandrey R.
Source
Department of Psychiatry, University of Vermont, 54 W. Twin Oaks Terrace, Suite 12, S. Burlington, VT 05403, USA. alan.budney@uvm.edu
Abstract
The authors review the literature examining the validity and significance of cannabis withdrawal syndrome. Findings from animal laboratory research are briefly reviewed, and human laboratory and clinical studies are surveyed in more detail. Converging evidence from basic laboratory and clinical studies indicates that a withdrawal syndrome reliably follows discontinuation of chronic heavy use of cannabis or tetrahydrocannabinol. Common symptoms are primarily emotional and behavioral, although appetite change, weight loss, and physical discomfort are also frequently reported. **The onset and time course of these symptoms appear similar to those of other substance withdrawal syndromes. **The magnitude and severity of these symptoms appear substantial, and these findings suggest that the syndrome has clinical importance. Diagnostic criteria for cannabis withdrawal syndrome are proposed.
You need to catch up on your reading…I believe your opinion is not substantiated by fact…🙂
 
I am so pleased you asked. I just came across a book by William Davis, M.D… He points out the difference in wheat we eat today and wheat of yesterday, Einkorn wheat. The Gluten from the wheat that may be in many products you are not even aware of are not necessarily good for you and Gluten has been shown to affect the Brain with what he calls Exorphins. See here…

Wheat Belly: Lose the Wheat, Lose the Weight, and Find Your Path Back to Health by William Davis

Your doctor may not know about it as this doctor was unaware of it as well. It would be worth looking into removing Gluten from your diet, or all wheat products from your diet and see how you do. Einkorn wheat is available for purchase as pasta, flour and cookies.
I’m already on a low carbohydrates diet that excludes wheat.
 
Actually THC is not physically addictive. People CAN become psychologically dependent on it though. But same goes with alcohol, which can also be physically addictive. Alcohol also kills brain cells, cannabis does not-in fact, a study was done with synthetic THC that actually showed REGROWTH of brain cells. When vaporized, it doesn’t even have a single negative effect on your health. Unlike alcohol, you cannot overdose on it and it comes straight out of the ground in its pure form without the need of fermentation or chemical additives of any sort. In is not an intoxicant because it is not “toxic”, again, unlike alcohol.

It seems to me that cannabis is FAR healthier than alcohol and can easily be used in moderation. So what would be the moral problem with it?

It is legal in some states at the state level, which I think could morally trump Federal regulations, since the local level is where it is grown and dispensed and available. Not to mention that states’ rights advocates believe that the Federal government has no authority in these matters where the states have decided for themselves and it is not a matter of protecting the citizenry.

But what if a priest does say it is a mortal sin and another says it is not? Since the Church has no official position, isn’t it up to the individual?
Additionally, alcohol poisoning is a serious problem, and can kill you. Certain painkillers, anti-depressants, and sleep aids, if not taken properly or in the correct dosing, can kill you. No one, in the recorded history of the subject, has died from cannabis. Seriously, ever.

LaSainte speaks the truth. There is no legitimate medical or scientific reason for marijuana to remain illegal; and the fact that it is illegal, while alcohol is not (even given alcohol’s far more dangerous and detrimental effects), is blatant societal hypocrisy.

Marijuana originally became illegal throughout the 1920’s and 30’s because newspapers and paper companies didn’t want their businesses to have to compete with hemp paper, which was faster and easier to grow and cultivate and produce. Since one newspaper group in particular was owned by a man who felt this way, a lovely gentleman by the name of William Randolph Hearst, stories that would be generously be described as “not medically accurate” were published around the nation, blaming the hemp trade for the influx of Asian, and Hispanic immigrants to American cities. Furthermore, Hearst’s papers wrote that African Americans were going insane because of ‘marihuana’ (which was pointed out to be not your typical “harmless cigarette”), and that’s where all of this crazy talk of “civil rights” came from.

In the federal bill that finally made ‘marihuana’ illegal, one Senator advocating prohibition noted during the floor debate in the United States Senate that if they didn’t ban the posession, use, and sale of cannabis that smoking it “might make a black man look at a white woman the wrong way.”

So, if it’s not based on medicine or science, and partially illegal because of a wealthy newspaper mogul’s business interests in the 1920’s (who used a racist scare campaign to get his dream law passed, to boot!) why is marijuana still illegal, you ask?

Because while the names may have changed, but the game hasn’t, and that game is money. The private, for-profit prison industry makes its bank off of every person it incarcerates, and a huge bulk of that population gets sent to one of their facilities because of minor possession of marijuana. This industry spends billions lobbying state governments and Congress for stricter penalties and bigger fines for marijuana use every year. Marijuana’s illegality has nothing to do with health, safety, or medical science, but it is the result of lobbying from an industry that directly profits from it, making billions of dollars every year. While the pharmeceutical lobby and alcohol and tobacco companies have lobbied for the same (stricter penalties, bigger fines, longer senteces), and for the same reason, they do not match how much cash lawmakers have received from the private prison industry.

So, to conclude, if we’re going to keep marijuana illegal, then let’s at least be honest about why we’re doing it, and why it became illegal in the first place.
 
Robert,

This was a post addressed to other than you. You commented and asked for the reason it was posted. It was answered. Since you were not posting that there are similar arguments for two substances, your question was related to the reason why it was posted in response to someone else.

You do not see the reason that it relates however it is not a tangent.

If someone is going to argue in favor of a substance then they have to start with…

What are these substances and what do they have in common or do not have in common.

You use marijuana for sleep. There are better and legal alternatives that you choose not to take. Here are some legal alternatives…

Halcion
Restoril
Lunesta

and there are others…

If you choose to use Marijuana as a sleep aid, then you are using it as a drug that would be classified as…

Sedative Hyphnotic…and then there can be discussion as to what other Sedative Hypnotics are available to be used and how do they compare to THC…

Ok…
There may be better choices than marijuana, but it doesn’t answer the question as to whether there is anything wrong with using marijuana in moderation to relax. I mean, I can give you a tom of arguments not to use alcohol to relax or to enjoy oneself, but I believe it is an individual choice. Some handle it better than others, and some cannot tolerate a single drop. Our Lord did change water into wine for purposes of consumption at a wedding party, and I don’t fault him for putting temptation in anyone’s way.

I have never used marijuana, and likely never will, because I see no need for it. I am not entirely opposed to altering my state of mind, since I think it a good thing to have a beer or glass of wine if it cheers you up, or quiets you down. I probably have a beer or glass of wine once every month or so. Drunkenness in another matter. If one cannot smoke pot without being equivalent to drunk (I know it’s a different kind of intoxicant, if that’s even the right term), then I would say never use it. I know what one beer can do, although sometimes it has more effect than other times; what effect can smoking one M cigarette have?

But the bottom line for me is that I would be surprised if a moderate user (assuming that means not being impaired to the extent of a drunk) is either impairing his judgment to a significant degree or is endangering his bodily or mental health.

I wonder if anyone who smokes cigarettes in moderation confesses it as a sin. It is arguably a more serious danger to one’s health than moderate marijuana usage, and there are better ways to relax.

As to the legality, I don’t place every noncompliance with a law as a sin. Should someone confess not wearing a seatbelt? In the case of marijuana being legal in the state but not at the federal level, does that mean that the state legislators sinned in legalizing it-- probably irrelevant-- but it just seems too trivial a matter, that is, the state vs. the federal law? I think it’s a bit scrupulous to look at such things as sin, even though I know all authority comes from God, etc.

Just my thoughts. YMMV
 
I would say that your “Absolutely correct” does not fare well with published data that says you are incorrect…as seen here…

and here…you can read an entire article on the topic…

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3371269/

and then here…

You need to catch up on your reading…I believe your opinion is not substantiated by fact…🙂
There are different schools of thought, however, most of the above are psychological symptoms, not physical ones. And these symptoms would be consistent with EXTREMELY heavy use. Those symptoms are much less severe than what a tobacco smoker would experience. I smoked it daily for years, and I can say that from my personal experience, withdrawal symptoms were merely psychological, such as irritability. Once I was no longer a daily user, these symptoms never came back, even if I smoked occasionally.
 
There may be better choices than marijuana, but it doesn’t answer the question as to whether there is anything wrong with using marijuana in moderation to relax. I mean, I can give you a tom of arguments not to use alcohol to relax or to enjoy oneself, but I believe it is an individual choice. Some handle it better than others, and some cannot tolerate a single drop. Our Lord did change water into wine for purposes of consumption at a wedding party, and I don’t fault him for putting temptation in anyone’s way.

I have never used marijuana, and likely never will, because I see no need for it. I am not entirely opposed to altering my state of mind, since I think it a good thing to have a beer or glass of wine if it cheers you up, or quiets you down. I probably have a beer or glass of wine once every month or so. Drunkenness in another matter. If one cannot smoke pot without being equivalent to drunk (I know it’s a different kind of intoxicant, if that’s even the right term), then I would say never use it. I know what one beer can do, although sometimes it has more effect than other times; what effect can smoking one M cigarette have?

But the bottom line for me is that I would be surprised if a moderate user (assuming that means not being impaired to the extent of a drunk) is either impairing his judgment to a significant degree or is endangering his bodily or mental health.

I wonder if anyone who smokes cigarettes in moderation confesses it as a sin. It is arguably a more serious danger to one’s health than moderate marijuana usage, and there are better ways to relax.

As to the legality, I don’t place every noncompliance with a law as a sin. Should someone confess not wearing a seatbelt? In the case of marijuana being legal in the state but not at the federal level, does that mean that the state legislators sinned in legalizing it-- probably irrelevant-- but it just seems too trivial a matter, that is, the state vs. the federal law? I think it’s a bit scrupulous to look at such things as sin, even though I know all authority comes from God, etc.

Just my thoughts. YMMV
Good points.
 
Additionally, alcohol poisoning is a serious problem, and can kill you. Certain painkillers, anti-depressants, and sleep aids, if not taken properly or in the correct dosing, can kill you. No one, in the recorded history of the subject, has died from cannabis. Seriously, ever.

LaSainte speaks the truth. There is no legitimate medical or scientific reason for marijuana to remain illegal; and the fact that it is illegal, while alcohol is not (even given alcohol’s far more dangerous and detrimental effects), is blatant societal hypocrisy.

Marijuana originally became illegal throughout the 1920’s and 30’s because newspapers and paper companies didn’t want their businesses to have to compete with hemp paper, which was faster and easier to grow and cultivate and produce. Since one newspaper group in particular was owned by a man who felt this way, a lovely gentleman by the name of William Randolph Hearst, stories that would be generously be described as “not medically accurate” were published around the nation, blaming the hemp trade for the influx of Asian, and Hispanic immigrants to American cities. Furthermore, Hearst’s papers wrote that African Americans were going insane because of ‘marihuana’ (which was pointed out to be not your typical “harmless cigarette”), and that’s where all of this crazy talk of “civil rights” came from.

In the federal bill that finally made ‘marihuana’ illegal, one Senator advocating prohibition noted during the floor debate in the United States Senate that if they didn’t ban the posession, use, and sale of cannabis that smoking it “might make a black man look at a white woman the wrong way.”

So, if it’s not based on medicine or science, and partially illegal because of a wealthy newspaper mogul’s business interests in the 1920’s (who used a racist scare campaign to get his dream law passed, to boot!) why is marijuana still illegal, you ask?

Because while the names may have changed, but the game hasn’t, and that game is money. The private, for-profit prison industry makes its bank off of every person it incarcerates, and a huge bulk of that population gets sent to one of their facilities because of minor possession of marijuana. This industry spends billions lobbying state governments and Congress for stricter penalties and bigger fines for marijuana use every year. Marijuana’s illegality has nothing to do with health, safety, or medical science, but it is the result of lobbying from an industry that directly profits from it, making billions of dollars every year. While the pharmeceutical lobby and alcohol and tobacco companies have lobbied for the same (stricter penalties, bigger fines, longer senteces), and for the same reason, they do not match how much cash lawmakers have received from the private prison industry.

So, to conclude, if we’re going to keep marijuana illegal, then let’s at least be honest about why we’re doing it, and why it became illegal in the first place.
“Reefer Madness!”
 
I’m already on a low carbohydrates diet that excludes wheat.
If you read the book Wheat Belly, it is not just the wheat but the Gluten…there is Gluten from other sources and there is wheat in many products such as salad dressing, etc.

Gluten is the thing to eliminate and Gluten comes from a variety of sources.
 
Additionally, alcohol poisoning is a serious problem, and can kill you. Certain painkillers, anti-depressants, and sleep aids, if not taken properly or in the correct dosing, can kill you. No one, in the recorded history of the subject, has died from cannabis. Seriously, ever.

LaSainte speaks the truth. There is no legitimate medical or scientific reason for marijuana to remain illegal; and the fact that it is illegal, while alcohol is not (even given alcohol’s far more dangerous and detrimental effects), is blatant societal hypocrisy.

Marijuana originally became illegal throughout the 1920’s and 30’s because newspapers and paper companies didn’t want their businesses to have to compete with hemp paper, which was faster and easier to grow and cultivate and produce. Since one newspaper group in particular was owned by a man who felt this way, a lovely gentleman by the name of William Randolph Hearst, stories that would be generously be described as “not medically accurate” were published around the nation, blaming the hemp trade for the influx of Asian, and Hispanic immigrants to American cities. Furthermore, Hearst’s papers wrote that African Americans were going insane because of ‘marihuana’ (which was pointed out to be not your typical “harmless cigarette”), and that’s where all of this crazy talk of “civil rights” came from.

In the federal bill that finally made ‘marihuana’ illegal, one Senator advocating prohibition noted during the floor debate in the United States Senate that if they didn’t ban the posession, use, and sale of cannabis that smoking it “might make a black man look at a white woman the wrong way.”

So, if it’s not based on medicine or science, and partially illegal because of a wealthy newspaper mogul’s business interests in the 1920’s (who used a racist scare campaign to get his dream law passed, to boot!) why is marijuana still illegal, you ask?

Because while the names may have changed, but the game hasn’t, and that game is money. The private, for-profit prison industry makes its bank off of every person it incarcerates, and a huge bulk of that population gets sent to one of their facilities because of minor possession of marijuana. This industry spends billions lobbying state governments and Congress for stricter penalties and bigger fines for marijuana use every year. Marijuana’s illegality has nothing to do with health, safety, or medical science, but it is the result of lobbying from an industry that directly profits from it, making billions of dollars every year. While the pharmeceutical lobby and alcohol and tobacco companies have lobbied for the same (stricter penalties, bigger fines, longer senteces), and for the same reason, they do not match how much cash lawmakers have received from the private prison industry.

So, to conclude, if we’re going to keep marijuana illegal, then let’s at least be honest about why we’re doing it, and why it became illegal in the first place.
The fact remains that it is illegal and until the Federal law changes it matters not why…it just is.
 
There are different schools of thought, however, most of the above are psychological symptoms, not physical ones. And these symptoms would be consistent with EXTREMELY heavy use. Those symptoms are much less severe than what a tobacco smoker would experience. I smoked it daily for years, and I can say that from my personal experience, withdrawal symptoms were merely psychological, such as irritability. Once I was no longer a daily user, these symptoms never came back, even if I smoked occasionally.
Nicotine is gone in 72 hours of discontinuing smoking. Cannabis hangs around longer than 72 hours.
 
So is jaywalking.
Is Jaywalking habit forming, cause impairment in judgement, or is it only if you get hit by a car while Jaywalking?

and

Help me understand the correlation of Jaywalking with the OP…Legalized Marijuana…
 
Is Jaywalking habit forming, cause impairment in judgement, or is it only if you get hit by a car while Jaywalking?

and

Help me understand the correlation of Jaywalking with the OP…Legalized Marijuana…
Actually, jaywalking is more dangerous 🙂

But mj is legal is some places locally, like Colorado.
 
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