Legalized marijuana

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A good portion of this debate seems to be balancing on one’s interpretation of State vs. Fed Law. A few years back, my sons and I did a fair amount of remote camping and fishing in a National Forest. Our campsite was visited by both State Department of Natural Resource CO’c and National Forest Service CO’s. A disagreement came up as to what to do with the fish guts after cleaning. The Forest Service said their Law was dump them in a deep part of the lake. The DNR regulation book said to spread them on shore and sea gulls and turtles would take care of them. After some discussion between the two, the Forest Service CO said to go with the local (State) law even though it was a National Forest, it was in on State owned property.

Your right, our fishing wasn’t regulated by the DEA, but a law is a law no matter which branch of the government creates it.
So the question is, what would CopticChristian do with his fish gut, knowing he could be cited by either Conservation Officer?

As someone earlier said, laws are not always black and white.

FYI, never tried it and never will and with Ed, I’d vote against it every time but if it became Legal in my State I would be interested in the Church’s idea on it’s moral implications.
Unrelated to the discussion at hand. There is no decision as to what to do.

Marijuana in your car. Feds decide you are breaking the law. State Trooper shows up. There is no discussion as to what to do. Feds win.
 
So much for the Federal Blind Eye…

huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/29/one-marijuana-arrest-occu_n_2041236.html

One Marijuana Arrest Occurs Every 42 Seconds In U.S.: FBI Report
Those arrests were by the local and not Federal government.

The federal government has no intention of prosecuting individual users where it is legal at the local level.

If a parent had “house rules” written on a piece of paper on the refrigerator, and one of the rules was “Curfew: 10:30”, and the teenager asked for a later one, and the mom said, “Well, I think we need to have a dialogue about this, but right now, I have bigger fish to fry, so I won’t punish you if you come home later”, do you think this amounts to a 10:30 curfew? Would the child be breaking one of the commandments if he/she came home at 11?
 
Unrelated to the discussion at hand. There is no decision as to what to do.

Marijuana in your car. Feds decide you are breaking the law. State Trooper shows up. There is no discussion as to what to do. Feds win.
Wrong. State trooper will not arrest you because under his jurisdiction, it is legal. Now, if for some unknown reason, the FBI happens to be driving around pulling people over with a K-9 unit, you might be in trouble.
 
Those arrests were by the local and not Federal government.

The federal government has no intention of prosecuting individual users where it is legal at the local level.

If a parent had “house rules” written on a piece of paper on the refrigerator, and one of the rules was “Curfew: 10:30”, and the teenager asked for a later one, and the mom said, “Well, I think we need to have a dialogue about this, but right now, I have bigger fish to fry, so I won’t punish you if you come home later”, do you think this amounts to a 10:30 curfew? Would the child be breaking one of the commandments if he/she came home at 11?
He broke curfew…

huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/28/jerry-duval-medical-marijuana_n_3343139.html

**Jerry Duval, Medical Marijuana Patient, Headed To Same Federal Prison Facility As Boston Bomber **

and more…so much for the look the other way…

canorml.org/costs/federal_medical_marijuana_prisoners_and_cases

This site exists because they are not looking the other way…otherwise they would just relax…
 
Unrelated to the discussion at hand. There is no decision as to what to do.

Marijuana in your car. Feds decide you are breaking the law. State Trooper shows up. There is no discussion as to what to do. Feds win.
I think in Washington or Colorado there would be a discussion as the State Trooper is there to enforce the laws of the State and have been told by State officials to leave you alone, your legal.
 
Those arrests were by the local and not Federal government.

The federal government has no intention of prosecuting individual users where it is legal at the local level.

If a parent had “house rules” written on a piece of paper on the refrigerator, and one of the rules was “Curfew: 10:30”, and the teenager asked for a later one, and the mom said, “Well, I think we need to have a dialogue about this, but right now, I have bigger fish to fry, so I won’t punish you if you come home later”, do you think this amounts to a 10:30 curfew? Would the child be breaking one of the commandments if he/she came home at 11?
try this on for size…
Federal Law: Marijuana is also illegal under the federal Controlled Substances Act. Federal charges are typically brought only in large cases where commercial distribution is suspected (e.g., cultivation of several hundred plants).
Medical marijuana patients are not protected while on federal park land or forest land in California. CalNORML has received reports of campers and those driving through federal land who are searched, charged with federal possession statutes, and had their medicine confiscated. A California medical recommendation is not a defense in federal court to these charges.
 
A good portion of this debate seems to be balancing on one’s interpretation of State vs. Fed Law. A few years back, my sons and I did a fair amount of remote camping and fishing in a National Forest. Our campsite was visited by both State Department of Natural Resource CO’c and National Forest Service CO’s. A disagreement came up as to what to do with the fish guts after cleaning. The Forest Service said their Law was dump them in a deep part of the lake. The DNR regulation book said to spread them on shore and sea gulls and turtles would take care of them. After some discussion between the two, the Forest Service CO said to go with the local (State) law even though it was a National Forest, it was in on State owned property.

Your right, our fishing wasn’t regulated by the DEA, but a law is a law no matter which branch of the government creates it.
So the question is, what would CopticChristian do with his fish gut, knowing he could be cited by either Conservation Officer?

As someone earlier said, laws are not always black and white.

FYI, never tried it and never will and with Ed, I’d vote against it every time but if it became Legal in my State I would be interested in the Church’s idea on it’s moral implications.
Your post is right on point with the quoted material about conflicting laws. In your scenario it is impossible to comply with both jurisdictions, since their laws differ as to actions required. Also, it addresses the quandary as to which jurisdiction trumps the other. One could say the Federal jurisdiction dispensed you from breaking the Federal law by advising your compliance with the state law, but on the other hand, the Federal CO’s reasoning suggested that the local state jurisdiction should take precedence, not because of who had the higher jurisdiction, but because of who owned the land. I would add a third question: Was the Federal CO correct when he said the state owned the land occupied by the national park; I had always thought that the Federal government did, but maybe they only have something equivalent to an easement, ??? Anyway, thanks for your (name removed by moderator)ut. It helps muddy the waters, lol, which after all is the point that some have been trying to make, that is, it’s not always black and white. True, Coptic Christian, it does not address other questions. Peace. 🙂

PS-- In CC’s later post, the question of jurisdiction in a national forest comes up again. In this scenario, the Feds say that being in a state that legalizes M is not a defense. That’s what they say anyway. I wonder if a good lawyer could make it go the other way. Others might even contest the Federal government’s intrusion into state business and question its role in drug enforcement in the first place. Because a law is on the books neither makes it just nor Constitutional. I personally have felt for years that the SCOTUS has erred in its extension of interstate commerce to cover practically any activity imaginable. It seems like the Court has turned the Constitution upside down and given all powers not enumerated to the Federal government, which it has no right to do. For many, it’s “interpretation” is tantamount to an amendment, which is beyond its scope.
 
Your post is right on point with the quoted material about conflicting laws. In your scenario it is impossible to comply with both jurisdictions, since their laws differ as to actions required. Also, it addresses the quandary as to which jurisdiction trumps the other. One could say the Federal jurisdiction dispensed you from breaking the Federal law by advising your compliance with the state law, but on the other hand, the Federal CO’s reasoning suggested that the local state jurisdiction should take precedence, not because of who had the higher jurisdiction, but because of who owned the land. I would add a third question: Was the Federal CO correct when he said the state owned the land occupied by the national park; I had always thought that the Federal government did, but maybe they only have something equivalent to an easement, ??? Anyway, thanks for your (name removed by moderator)ut. It helps muddy the waters, lol, which after all is the point that some have been trying to make, that is, it’s not always black and white. True, Coptic Christian, it does not address other questions. Peace. 🙂

PS-- In CC’s later post, the question of jurisdiction in a national forest comes up again. In this scenario, the Feds say that being in a state that legalizes M is not a defense. That’s what they say anyway. I wonder if a good lawyer could make it go the other way. Others might even contest the Federal government’s intrusion into state business and question its role in drug enforcement in the first place. Because a law is on the books neither makes it just nor Constitutional. I personally have felt for years that the SCOTUS has erred in its extension of interstate commerce to cover practically any activity imaginable. It seems like the Court has turned the Constitution upside down and given all powers not enumerated to the Federal government, which it has no right to do. For many, it’s “interpretation” is tantamount to an amendment, which is beyond its scope.
Here is the rub. Someone somewhere is going to come across this thread or even reading it right now. They are thinking…Wow, those Catholics say it is Ok to use Marijuana because the Feds are not going to prosecute.

This other guy says obey the law. Catholics can’t agree on whether it is moral and I am just going to believe that they are going to look the other way…and then

as that guy is arrested someday…he/she will blame it on who?
 
Here is the rub. Someone somewhere is going to come across this thread or even reading it right now. They are thinking…Wow, those Catholics say it is Ok to use Marijuana because the Feds are not going to prosecute.

This other guy says obey the law. Catholics can’t agree on whether it is moral and I am just going to believe that they are going to look the other way…and then

as that guy is arrested someday…he/she will blame it on who?
lol Point well taken. But do you think we should abandon earnest and free discussion because some persons bent on doing what they want to do are looking for any excuse to do what common sense tells them is foolhardy. Even if I thought an action were moral, I would pay attention to the probability of being incarcerated for doing it. The Federal government can intervene in any state where the law legalizes marijuana, and I believe they do, especially with regards to medical marijuana businesses. Also, these legal state markets are not always populated by the most savory of characters, and it would not be beyond these people to entice Federal agents to act against any competitors and their customers. The same goes for prostitution in Nevada, which while legal in some counties, is prohibited by Federal law. Here of course there is no question of morality.
 
lol Point well taken. But do you think we should abandon earnest and free discussion because some persons bent on doing what they want to do are looking for any excuse to do what common sense tells them is foolhardy. Even if I thought an action were moral, I would pay attention to the probability of being incarcerated for doing it. The Federal government can intervene in any state where the law legalizes marijuana, and I believe they do, especially with regards to medical marijuana businesses. Also, these legal state markets are not always populated by the most savory of characters, and it would not be beyond these people to entice Federal agents to act against any competitors and their customers. The same goes for prostitution in Nevada, which while legal in some counties, is prohibited by Federal law. Here of course there is no question of morality.
It would help if those that want to take the side of risk, add, this is not to say that anyone viewing this should take this as advice to break the law, this is just a discussion.

Who knows who is reading, who knows who believes what?
 
It would help if those that want to take the side of risk, add, this is not to say that anyone viewing this should take this as advice to break the law, this is just a discussion.

Who knows who is reading, who knows who believes what?
I’s not a source for anything official and anyone who takes advice from ANY forum without checking it out is foolish. Not sure about you, but I didn’t have to show my Baptismal Certificate to list my religion as Catholic. In some cases, believing anything said here as being true is tha same as believing something on Facebook is true. I could be a rapist…and you could be a serial killer 😉

If I were in CO and decided to try pot, I’d certainly not take any of this advice without checking with the people who could arrest me. Just buying a fishing license doesn’t make you a fisherman, knowing the regulations does.
 
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