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Just a question for any who may know about this order. I am at the point where I am discerning and my real concern is evangelization and service to the Church and others. Now, I have come across an order, the Legionaires of Christ, who are growing in leaps and bounds. I want to know is the hiddeous stories about their founder being a molestor and their priests as well true? Is it true that their a Vatican cover-up?
 
Just a question for any who may know about this order. I am at the point where I am discerning and my real concern is evangelization and service to the Church and others. Now, I have come across an order, the Legionaires of Christ, who are growing in leaps and bounds. I want to know is the hiddeous stories about their founder being a molestor and their priests as well true? Is it true that their a Vatican cover-up?
The stories about the founder were true. However, this should not cast a shadow over the good men who joined the congregation. Yes, there is a vatican visitation in progress. The Vatican wants to know who knew what and how long, etc.

A blessed Christmas to all.

Br. JR, OSF :christmastree1:
 
The stories about the founder were true. However, this should not cast a shadow over the good men who joined the congregation. Yes, there is a vatican visitation in progress. The Vatican wants to know who knew what and how long, etc.

A blessed Christmas to all.

Br. JR, OSF :christmastree1:
I also might add that the Vatican visitation was started at the request of the Legionaries.
 
I also might add that the Vatican visitation was started at the request of the Legionaries.
Thanks for adding that, Brother. I did not mention it, because I didn’t know whose idea it was.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
Just a question for any who may know about this order. I am at the point where I am discerning and my real concern is evangelization and service to the Church and others. Now, I have come across an order, the Legionaires of Christ, who are growing in leaps and bounds. I want to know is the hiddeous stories about their founder being a molestor and their priests as well true? Is it true that their a Vatican cover-up?
It’s true about the founder. But I have also heard their theology has been very much been “watered down.”
 
It’s true about the founder. But I have also heard their theology has been very much been “watered down.”
I had not heard anything about watering down in their theology. I’m not saying this is not true. Just, that I had not heard it. What I have heard is that they have been asked to leave five dioceses in the USA because of their methods of evangelizing and recruiting vocations. But from what little I know, which is very little, the problem with their method is that they act in conflict with the dioceses and engaged in some ministries without the permission of the diocese. Apparently, there have been situations where they have evangelized without permission. That’s a big NO NO. No one can engage in any formal evangelization without the permission of the local Ordinary, even if they are the best and most orthodox theologians.

Have a happy and holy Christmas!

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
It’s true about the founder. But I have also heard their theology has been very much been “watered down.”
I have worked with the Legionaries of Christ for twenty years and their theology is far from watered down. I have witnessed only one that is comparable and that would be the Order of the Holy Cross from Fatima.
 
I have worked with the Legionaries of Christ for twenty years and their theology is far from watered down. I have witnessed only one that is comparable and that would be the Order of the Holy Cross from Fatima.
There we go, some one who has had personal experience with the theological teachings of the Legion. That’s good to hear. As I said too, I have heard them called on the carpet for other reasons, but never for unorthodox theology.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
There we go, some one who has had personal experience with the theological teachings of the Legion. That’s good to hear. As I said too, I have heard them called on the carpet for other reasons, but never for unorthodox theology.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
But I have to wonder how their understanding of Theology plays into the other reasons?

The two biggest reasons I have heard is their refusal to open dialogue and communication with the local bishop when they are working within his diocese and “recruitment” of those under the age of 18 with out diocesen or parents’ approval or knowledge.

Seems a bit off on obedience to local ordinaries.
 
But I have to wonder how their understanding of Theology plays into the other reasons?

The two biggest reasons I have heard is their refusal to open dialogue and communication with the local bishop when they are working within his diocese and “recruitment” of those under the age of 18 with out diocesen or parents’ approval or knowledge.

Seems a bit off on obedience to local ordinaries.
I can only comment on what I have heard. I have not been part of their issues with the bishops. I can’t claim personal knowledge. I have heard some good things about them, such as that their youth programs are very good. I heard that from a woman whose daughters went through one of their programs and was very happy.

That being said, I have also heard that they have a pattern of extending their outreach without the local bishop’s permission. That’s a big NO NO. What most people don’t know is that the laity is the responsibility of the bishop, not the religious. Therefore, no religious institute can do ministry in any diocese without the bishop’s permission and often that permission is limited to a specific role, parish, school, etc.

As Brother knows, even those of us who belong to older and more establish communities (ie. Carmelites, Franciscans, Dominicans, etc) can only minister where the bishop grants permission. My own community is restricted to one parish and to Respect Life. That’s what the local bishop needed. We can’t open up other ministries outside of those parameters.

When the friars decided to break off to found a new community, they had to go through their major superior first and then through the bishop. The bishop assigned a priest of his trust to be the contact person between the new community and him. You can’t just expand and extend without boundaries in any diocese, even if you believe that you’re saving souls. It is no good to save others and lose yourself

I have never seen a copy of the Constitutions of the Legion. But most constitutions of religioius institutes or their statutes make it clear that the institute shall not enter, preach, work or even live in any diocese where they do not have permission from the local bishop. What I have heard is that the Legion has done all the above in about five dioceses across the USA.

My guess is that it was not done to create trouble, but that there is a serious communication problem between their leadership and the bishops. When you see this reported several times, in different dioceses, you begin to wonder about the institute’s leadership. There are always going to be misunderstanding between a bishop and the people in his diocese. But several bishops in different dioceses and the same religious institute raises some concerns. I realize that this is more of a canonical point than a theological one. But it’s an important point, becausee it can send a message that the bishop can by bypassed. That sends a message aboiut the authority of the bishop.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
Richard, have you thought about becoming a military chaplain? Most dioceses have spots for priests who want to serve our military. There is a dire shortage, something akin to 1 priest for 50,000 troops. There are many conversions in the field too as there are “no atheists in foxholes”.
 
Just a question for any who may know about this order. I am at the point where I am discerning and my real concern is evangelization and service to the Church and others. Now, I have come across an order, the Legionaires of Christ, who are growing in leaps and bounds. I want to know is the hideous stories about their founder being a molester and their priests as well true? Is it true that their a Vatican cover-up?
There are a lot of questionable things about the Legionaries, in addition to the behavior of their founder; their refusal to fully cooperate with their bishops; their aggressive evangelization of the young and somewhat secretive regulations among themselves.

The investigation may go on for some time and the order may end up being suppressed. In the meantime, why not explore other orders who evangelize, such as the mainstream Paulists, Dominicans, Franciscans and Jesuits–for a start.
 
There are a lot of questionable things about the Legionaries, in addition to the behavior of their founder; their refusal to fully cooperate with their bishops; their aggressive evangelization of the young and somewhat secretive regulations among themselves.

The investigation may go on for some time and the order may end up being suppressed. In the meantime, why not explore other orders who evangelize, such as the mainstream Paulists, Dominicans, Franciscans and Jesuits–for a start.
There is no official statement from the Sacred Congregation for Institutes of Consecrated Life and Societies of Apostolic Life suggesting that they Legion will be suppressed. This rumor, that they “could be suppressed” was started by lay people. Normally, when the Sacred Congregation believes that a religious institute may be supprssed the first thing that they do is to order that institute to stop recruiting and forming new membes. The Legion has full permission to recruit and form new members. The bishops have never been told not to ordain members presented by the major superiors of the Legion.

Remember, no bishop can deny ordination to a religious after the religious superior has approved the ordination. The bishop must ordain, unless there is an order from the Sacred Congregation not to do so. Only the Sacred Congregation can overrule a major superior of a religious institute of men. To date, they have not spoke thus.

We should not say that they may be suppressed when the Sacred Congregation has given no indications that this will be the outcome. There will certainly be many changes in the Legion. The Sacred Congregation will have a lot to say about that after the apostolic visit is over.

As much as I would like to recruit new members for my own Franciscan family, I would not discourage a man looking at the Legion, until there is some indication from the Sacred Congregation that they have other plans for the Legion.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
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