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Does anyone know of any orders of priests with a charism similar to the Legionaries of Christ, e.g. a similar missionary zeal for saving souls, orthodoxy, living in community, idealism, a committment to conquering the popular culture and media?
 
Does anyone know of any orders of priests with a charism similar to the Legionaries of Christ, e.g. a similar missionary zeal for saving souls, orthodoxy, living in community, idealism, a committment to conquering the popular culture and media?
Try the Franciscan Missionaries of the Eternal Word. They’re a good group and they are not under the Vatican’s microscope as are the Legionaries.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
Are they brothers, or full-fledged priests? Would they be open to a priest transferring from the Legionaries? I would love to send my brother for a visit, but right now he can’t imagine himself falling in love with another order the way he felt about the Legionaries. Please pray for him.
 
Are they brothers, or full-fledged priests? Would they be open to a priest transferring from the Legionaries? I would love to send my brother for a visit, but right now he can’t imagine himself falling in love with another order the way he felt about the Legionaries. Please pray for him.
They are friars. But your statement “full-fledged priests” is very telling. It tells me that you are not a good fit for the Franciscan family. We see all of our friars as brothers. Our “brothers” are ordained brothers and lay brothers. But they have equal dignity, equal authority, equal rights and even equal ministries. We do not take men who think that a priest is superior to a lay brother. This is contrary to the vision of St. Francis of Assisi. It is also offensive to our founder, who was a lay brother. If your brother joined a Franciscan community he may find himself under the authority and jurisdiction of a lay brother, even if he were an ordained brother. Could he tolerate having lay brother tell him when he can and can’t celebrate mass? Can he tolerate having to wash dishes, scrub floors do laundry, answer the door, while a lay brother teaches theology at the seminary? This is the way that it is in Franciscan houses. You do what needs to be done, regardless of whether you are an ordained brother or a lay brother. Why? Becaues every Franciscan is first a brother. The priesthood is a call within the call to be a Franciscan. By the way, in the Franciscan family, you can be denied ordination by your brothers, but you would remain in solemn vows and can’t leave the order. This does not happen often, but it has happened.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
Why would you infer something so negative from my statement and hold it against my brother? Could you not assume the best intentions and think maybe I am not familiar with all the differences between friars, brothers and priests? In trying to determine possibilities for my brother, would it not be important for me to know the composition of your community? Maybe I was writing a quick response to you and was in a hurry to leave for an appointment and trying to get to the point as quickly and simply as possible. I am sorry for offending you, it was not intended. My brother is an ordained Legionary and considering leaving the priesthood due to the current scandal involving their founder. I merely noticed you signed your post using the title “Brother” and was not sure if your community was composed solely of “Brothers”. If so, I would have to think maybe it was not a possibility for someone already ordained as a priest. No wonder he can’t bring himself to look at other orders. There appears to be way too much pridefulness and competition amongst them all.
 
Why would you infer something so negative from my statement and hold it against my brother? Could you not assume the best intentions and think maybe I am not familiar with all the differences between friars, brothers and priests? In trying to determine possibilities for my brother, would it not be important for me to know the composition of your community? Maybe I was writing a quick response to you and was in a hurry to leave for an appointment and trying to get to the point as quickly and simply as possible. I am sorry for offending you, it was not intended. My brother is an ordained Legionary and considering leaving the priesthood due to the current scandal involving their founder. I merely noticed you signed your post using the title “Brother” and was not sure if your community was composed solely of “Brothers”. If so, I would have to think maybe it was not a possibility for someone already ordained as a priest. No wonder he can’t bring himself to look at other orders. There appears to be way too much pridefulness and competition amongst them all.
I apologize if you were offended and maybe I should have responded in a different tone. I admit that it was a knee-jerk reaction on my part, for which I also apologize. For more than a hundred years, the Franciscans in the USA have been trying to get rid of the title “Father” from among our ranks and the laity does not cooperate. It’s not because the laity are bad. It’s because many lay people do not understand the Franciiscan vocation. Our primary vocation is to be religious brothers.

If a man comes to us ordained, he comes to us because he wants to be a religious brothers. Someone like your brother, who is already ordained would be asked a very simple question, “Do you want to live and work as a brother?” That question implies several things:
  1. He may have an assignment where he can perform all of the functions of a priest, such as a parish.
  2. He may have a assignment within the community, where no priestly functions are needed. Such an assignment can involve formation work at the novitiate or the house of formation, where he would be an educator or formator.
  3. He may have an assignment in a soup kitchen
  4. He may be assigned to the streets as are many of our brothers in the Franciscans of the Renewal. They are street rappers. They never see a parish in their lives.
  5. He may have a assignment as in the Franciscan Missionaries of the Eternal Word who work 24/7 on communication media and when they are not doing that they are contemplatives before the blessed Sacrament. If you watch EWTN, you will usually see the same familiar faces celebrating mass. The other brothers who are ordained do not celebrate mass for the public. Some celebrate mass at the shrine for the Poor Clares and the pilgrims, but most spend more time in the confessional at the shrine for the benefit of the pilgrims.
  6. He may be assigned to be the housekeeper, launderer, cook or in charge of the cars and go out on weekends to help a parish that needs an extra priest for Sunday masses.
  7. He may also have as his superior a lay brother. For some priests entering the Franciscans this is a turn-off and they do not enter. The idea that the Ordinary, with equal powers to that of a bishop, is a non ordained brother, is confusing or unacceptable to them.
  8. He may live in a house, such as the one in which I live, where no one is allowed to use the title “Father” except the superior, who in our case is not a priest. He would have to use the title Brother.
But the proof of a vocation is that the individual feels called to live the Gospel in this humble manner, always as a member of a brotherhood, with an intense life of prayer, silence, penance, mortification, solitude and great demands on his schedule and energies to serve his brothers and spend time with them. All other ministries flow from this way of life.

The core of all the Franciscan communities is Francis. We put a great deal of emphasis on Francis. As my mother would say, “He shows up even in or soup.” The object is not to go out and conquer the world. The objective is to live the Gospel as Francis taught it to us. Obviously, if we truly live it as he taught it to us, we will conquer the world. But that’s a lifetime process, to be so identified withe the Gospel that one goes from Gospel to life and life to Gospel without thinking about it.

As to your expression, “full-fledged” priests. That is not something that one should say to mendicants and to monastics. Medicants and monastics are very protective of their brotherhood. These terms have often been used by the laity to imply that our lay brothers are somehow on a lower rung than the rest of us. We find that very offensive. We consider ourselves to be equal in vocation, rights, and obligation. I remember our lay brothers having to put up with such comments from the laity as, “Oh you’re ONLY a brother.” or worse yet, “Why didn’t you go all the way?” We would cringe. None of us would dare think about our holy Father Francis as being ONLY a lay brother or as not having gone all the way. Yet, that is exactly what he was, a lay brother.

Again, I’m sorry for my knee-jerk reaction and I hope that I have explained what your brother would be walking into if he were to join one of the Franciscan obediences. By the way, they are called obediences because each branch of the order has its own constitutions to which they are obedient, be we have only two rules: the Rule of the Friars Minor and the Rule of the Penance. Francis wrote two rules and every community comes under one or the other.

By the way, a priest who enters one of the Fransican communities usually has to go through postulancy, novitiate and temporary vows. This process can take up to six years. During that time he would be back in school studying Franciscan theology, Franciscan philosophy. Franciscan history, Franciscan rule and constitutions, Franciscan prayer, Franciscan mysticism, Franciscan spirituality, Franciscan catechesis, Franciscan modus procedendi and also working in one of the community’s apostolates, except during the novitiate. During that time he must observe a strict enclosure and never leaves the novitiate house except to visit another friary. Novitiate can be from one to two years.

There are new Church rules that govern transferrance from one community to another. Since your brother is already a member of a community, I’m not sure how that it handled. The rules have changed since I was in formation.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
Thank you for your wonderful explanation. Although I’m still not sure exactly what a “Friar” is. It does not sound like it would be a good fit, not because of the service required, but because of the additional years of formation. Legionaries already put in 12-13 years of formation prior to ordination, so I can’t imagine he would be able to tolerate that much more schooling.

He may be correct that his only choice is laicization. He says the burdens of his vocation feel too great for him to continue. I am very sad for him and would like to think it a simple matter to go elsewhere with his vocation. But I see it is not simple. So sad that the sinfulness of a few has such a profound and far-reaching effect on so many.

Thank you for your help, and if I could off a word of advice, you and your fellow brothers need to get past this thing of feeling so offended when people question your title. The only thing most of us lay people are familiar with is your basic parish priest, and when we make ignorant comments like “full-fledged” priest, or “go all the way”, it is usually merely our way of trying to categorize things in our head. You spend so much time practicing humility and perfoming humble tasks, please accept this as just another exercise in humility and give people the benefit of the doubt that they don’t really mean it as a slight. We are all here to serve, are we not? This is just another service you perform for us silly ignorant lay people.
 
Are they brothers, or full-fledged priests? Would they be open to a priest transferring from the Legionaries? I would love to send my brother for a visit, but right now he can’t imagine himself falling in love with another order the way he felt about the Legionaries. Please pray for him.
Why would he want to leave a group that is still in good standing with the Church if this is what he “fell in love” with to begin with?
 
Thank you for your wonderful explanation. Although I’m still not sure exactly what a “Friar” is. It does not sound like it would be a good fit, not because of the service required, but because of the additional years of formation. Legionaries already put in 12-13 years of formation prior to ordination, so I can’t imagine he would be able to tolerate that much more schooling.

He may be correct that his only choice is laicization. He says the burdens of his vocation feel too great for him to continue. I am very sad for him and would like to think it a simple matter to go elsewhere with his vocation. But I see it is not simple. So sad that the sinfulness of a few has such a profound and far-reaching effect on so many.

Thank you for your help, and if I could off a word of advice, you and your fellow brothers need to get past this thing of feeling so offended when people question your title. The only thing most of us lay people are familiar with is your basic parish priest, and when we make ignorant comments like “full-fledged” priest, or “go all the way”, it is usually merely our way of trying to categorize things in our head. You spend so much time practicing humility and perfoming humble tasks, please accept this as just another exercise in humility and give people the benefit of the doubt that they don’t really mean it as a slight. We are all here to serve, are we not? This is just another service you perform for us silly ignorant lay people.
Laicization is not the only option for a man who wants to leave an institute. He can apply for incardination into a diocese. It takes about five years, but in the meantime he would be working in the diocese, getting to know the people, the lay of the land and most importantly, deciding of the life of a secular priest is for him. If not, he is always free to return to his community. They won’t dispense him from his commitment to his community until the superior of the Legionaries,. the diocesan bishop and he agree that it’s time. Has he considered a diocese?

Also, I agree with Br. David. The Legionaries are in good standing with the Church. Why leave and begin religious formation in another religious institute? By the way, except for the year of novitiate, he would be actively involved in some ministry of the order that he joines, because he is ordained. But he would still be in formatin, that’s all. We have friars all over the world who are in formation and are involved in ministry. But they have reading, assignments, and meetings with someone on the formation team on a regular basis. It’s not like being locked up in a classroom, unless you don’t have your degree yet. Friars in formation, such as those who have already gone through philosophy and theology, spend less time in a formal classroom. I mean less hours. I believe that they have many assignments to work on their own and a session or two a week with the formation diector.

A friar, sometimes called a mendicant, is a religious who lives the monastic life outside of a monastery. He follows many of the same observances of monastics: silence, lectio diviniak, the Liturgy of the Hours, fasting, abstinence, community life, manual labor, obedience to a superior. The superior is governed by the chapter. They have a rule that cannot be changed and a constitution that interprets the rule appropriately. No individual can own property or inherit property. They make solemn vows, which are a deeper commitment than simple vows made in congregations. They are itinerant; whereas monks are attached to a monastery.

Some friars, such as Carmelites, Augustinians and Dominicans are clerical communities and they are governed by a Prior. They live in a house called a priory. The Prior means the first among brothers. Franciscans are not allowed to have priors. We have guardians. They have no canonical authority over the fraternity. Their function is to coordinate the life of the friars in the house to ensure that we are fatihful to the constitutions. The only authority that the guardians have is that which is given to them by the house chapter. The house votes on what they want and the Guardian must make it happen. He is also responsible for the welfare of the brothers. It is his personal responsibility to care for the sick and the elderly in the house, to provide for the material needs of the community, including doing the shopping for the community. Br. David can better describe what a Prior does. He’s a Carmelite Friar. They have priors. He can also describe what their formation requirements would be for a priest coming in from another community.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
Each order is so very different. The problem with the Legionaries is that they are taking no steps to make any needed reforms. Their founder got away with a very sinful life, and you would have to assume that the leadership aided and abbetted him in some way. At the very least, some of the top leaders should have resigned and they should have brought in people untainted by the scandal and unconnected to Fr. Maciel. So far, they seem to be circling the wagons and trying to protect the status quo.

Let’s just say that my brother has come to the conclusion that many of the criticisms of the Legion over the years are true and he feels he is living a lie by staying there. He has never been drawn to the Diocesan life, and feels it would be too solitary and lonely for him. He loved the community life of the Legion. I hope and pray that after he gets away and takes some time to heal, God will show him where he needs to go. But he is afraid that if he does not apply for laicization now, that option will be forever lost to him. I suppose the thinking is that the Vatican will be positiviely disposed to grant laicization to Legionaries in light of the scandal. He is feeling angry and betrayed right now. He took a lot of pride in what he thought the Legion was. Another lesson in humility, I think.
 
Each order is so very different. The problem with the Legionaries is that they are taking no steps to make any needed reforms. Their founder got away with a very sinful life, and you would have to assume that the leadership aided and abbetted him in some way. At the very least, some of the top leaders should have resigned and they should have brought in people untainted by the scandal and unconnected to Fr. Maciel. So far, they seem to be circling the wagons and trying to protect the status quo.

Let’s just say that my brother has come to the conclusion that many of the criticisms of the Legion over the years are true and he feels he is living a lie by staying there. He has never been drawn to the Diocesan life, and feels it would be too solitary and lonely for him. He loved the community life of the Legion. I hope and pray that after he gets away and takes some time to heal, God will show him where he needs to go. But he is afraid that if he does not apply for laicization now, that option will be forever lost to him. I suppose the thinking is that the Vatican will be positiviely disposed to grant laicization to Legionaries in light of the scandal. He is feeling angry and betrayed right now. He took a lot of pride in what he thought the Legion was. Another lesson in humility, I think.
I hope that your brother realizes that once a priest is laicized he is never allowed to return to the priesthood. He may not teach theology, be a lector at mass, be a catechist or hold any other position where he has to teach the faith. He would be better taking a leave of absence to think things through and check out other communities, if he wants community life. While he is on a leave of absence, he cannot function as a priest, but he remains a religious and a priest in good standing with the Church. He can even begin to speak with vocation directors from other communities now. You need not leave the community that you’re in, to begin looking at other communities.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
Jacie, I left RC many months ago, probably due to concerns similar to those experienced by your brother. Please let him know I am praying for him through this difficult time.

One day while searching for something on the internet, I came across a video clip of a priest named Father Timothy Gallagher, OMV. The order of priests he belongs to is the Oblates of the Virgin Mary. He is an expert on Ingatian spirituality, and has written 6 books on various aspects of Ignatian Spirituality (the Examen Prayer, the Discernment of spirits, etc)

There are several reasons I think the OMV might appeal to your brother. Here is a link to a website with more info.

oblatesofthevirginmary.org/index.htm

God bless you and your brother!
 
Jacie, I left RC many months ago, probably due to concerns similar to those experienced by your brother. Please let him know I am praying for him through this difficult time.

One day while searching for something on the internet, I came across a video clip of a priest named Father Timothy Gallagher, OMV. The order of priests he belongs to is the Oblates of the Virgin Mary. He is an expert on Ingatian spirituality, and has written 6 books on various aspects of Ignatian Spirituality (the Examen Prayer, the Discernment of spirits, etc)

There are several reasons I think the OMV might appeal to your brother. Here is a link to a website with more info.

oblatesofthevirginmary.org/index.htm

God bless you and your brother!
This sounds like a good match to the mission of the Legionaries. 👍

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
Jacie, I just went back and read the whole thread. I am desolate to her that your brother is consider laicization. It would be such a tragedy to lose his vocation, and truly a bad fruit of a terrible scandal.

I am off to bed and offering my rosary for your brother and his needs. God bless.
 
I was looking up some communities that might be a positive match for your brother to check into as a transfer, and I remembered the Congregation of the Fathers of Mercy. Here is their profile on Institute on Religious Life:
The Fathers of Mercy bring the mercy of God to the prodigal children of our times by preaching parish missions and retreats at the request of a bishop or pastor. The group was formed by Fr. Jean Baptiste Rauzan in the aftermath of the French Revolution, to foster the salvation of souls. These Fathers promise to bring a zeal for the salvation of souls to a materialistic and pleasure-centered culture of death that has so blinded humanity in such a way that people have not only lost sight of the Way, but are also unaware that they are lost.
db.religiouslife.com/reg_life/irl.nsf/org/126

fathersofmercy.com/
 
Thank you all for your suggestions. Exactly what I was looking for. I will try to pass them on to him when he gets home. I am hoping that he will find that “fire” within another order. He gave his all to the Legion, and I think it’s like losing your first love, you think you’ll never be able to love again. But he was raised in a big family and I think emotionally he needs to feel the mutual love and support of a brotherhood community.

He does understand all the implications of laicization. It is so distressing, a vocation with such hope and promise being lost. But I am afraid the Legionaries may be losing quite a few more, at least from the American part of the community, if they don’t make some major changes. And thank you for your prayers. We need priests so desperately.
 
This is what Canon Law says on transfers from one institute to another. The part on monasteries does not apply to your brother, because he’s not a monk.

**CHAPTER VI.

SEPARATION OF MEMBERS FROM THE INSTITUTE

Art. 1.

TRANSFER TO ANOTHER INSTITUTE

Can. 684 §1. A member in perpetual vows cannot transfer from one religious institute to another except by a grant of the supreme moderator of each institute and with the consent of their respective councils.

§2. After completing a probation which is to last at least three years, the member can be admitted to perpetual profession in the new institute. If the member refuses to make this profession or is not admitted to make it by competent superiors, however, the member is to return to the original institute unless an indult of secularization has been obtained.

§3. For a religious to transfer from an autonomous monastery to another of the same institute or federation or confederation, the consent of the major superior of each monastery and of the chapter of the receiving monastery is required and is sufficient, without prejudice to other requirements established by proper law; a new profession is not required.

§4. Proper law is to determine the time and manner of the probation which must precede the profession of a member in the new institute.

§5. For a transfer to be made to a secular institute or a society of apostolic life or from them to a religious institute, permission of the Holy See is required, whose mandates must be observed.

Can. 685 §1. Until a person makes profession in the new institute, the rights and obligations which the member had in the former institute are suspended although the vows remain. Nevertheless, from the beginning of probation, the member is bound to the observance of the proper law of the new institute.

§2. Through profession in the new institute, the member is incorporated into it while the preceding vows, rights, and obligations cease.**

I hope this is informative for you. Being a religious, I’m sure that your brother studied these canons in the novitiate. They are usually part of the curriculum.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
Does anyone know of any orders of priests with a charism similar to the Legionaries of Christ, e.g. a similar missionary zeal for saving souls, orthodoxy, living in community, idealism, a committment to conquering the popular culture and media?
Jacie,
just for shock value, I might suggest the Jesuits. You know that Fr. Maciel copied much of the Legion Constitutions from the Jesuits? You would probably call them “The Old Jesuits”. But Fr. Maciel was very conservative in doctrine but very liberal in morals.

Seriously, there are quite a number of former Legionaries who have made a good transition to the diocesan priesthood.

Transitioning to another religious order is very complicated as you have seen from other responses… It’s not like being transferred to another soccer team…

Your question reveals a serious flaw in the Legion system: members have very little opportunity to look around them and find out what is outside their group. They may not even be able to consult with an “outside” priest. An LC priest who is considering leaving shold have Spiritual Direction/Guidance from a priest outside [independent] and BE FREE TO ENGAGE IN THE PROCESS OF DISCERNMENT.

Discernment is a serious process where one has to know oneself deeply and not just jump into a group that “seems” to fulfill one’s calling. I am convinced that many join the Legion WITHOUT PROPER DISCERMENT, i.e. they skip that painful and soul searching process. Instead they jump into a group that seems to fit. A group that like a chameleon will change its colors to fit his needs and “capture” him.

The priest needs to start his discernment all over again. And that is a lot of hard work. It also implies trusting people he has been trained not to trust…
 
Does anyone know of any orders of priests with a charism similar to the Legionaries of Christ, e.g. a similar missionary zeal for saving souls, orthodoxy, living in community, idealism, a committment to conquering the popular culture and media?
I am not familiar with the Legionaries, but I like this order a lot
cpps-preciousblood.org/

I am not so sure about the “conquering the pop culture” part, but it doesn’t hurt if you check it out.
God bless you and your brother!
 
Jacie,
just for shock value, I might suggest the Jesuits. You know that Fr. Maciel copied much of the Legion Constitutions from the Jesuits? You would probably call them “The Old Jesuits”. But Fr. Maciel was very conservative in doctrine but very liberal in morals.

Seriously, there are quite a number of former Legionaries who have made a good transition to the diocesan priesthood.

Transitioning to another religious order is very complicated as you have seen from other responses… It’s not like being transferred to another soccer team…

Your question reveals a serious flaw in the Legion system: members have very little opportunity to look around them and find out what is outside their group. They may not even be able to consult with an “outside” priest. An LC priest who is considering leaving shold have Spiritual Direction/Guidance from a priest outside [independent] and BE FREE TO ENGAGE IN THE PROCESS OF DISCERNMENT.

Discernment is a serious process where one has to know oneself deeply and not just jump into a group that “seems” to fulfill one’s calling. I am convinced that many join the Legion WITHOUT PROPER DISCERMENT, i.e. they skip that painful and soul searching process. Instead they jump into a group that seems to fit. [A group that like a chameleon will change its colors to fit his needs and “capture” him.

**The priest needs to start his discernment all over again.
And that is a lot of hard work. It also implies trusting people he has been trained not to trust…

All of your points are well made. I just want to echo the one that I find to be criticial. When you are thinking of leaving the religious life or the priesthood or both, as in this case, you can’t just jump ship. You have to begin the discernment process again. That’s why the Church gives you the time to take a leave of absence or to test yourself in another setting, be it a diocese or a religious community. You don’t just leave and are now free. The Church won’t allow that. They will demand at least a leave of absence for at least a year and they can extend it up to five. During that time the person can return to the congregation or explore a diocese or another religious family. In the meantime, he has a year to live as a lay person. But his is bound to the vows and the constitutions of the congregation. He has to pray the Liturgy of the Hours under pain of sin. He has to remain celibate. He has to obey. He has to live poverty.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
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