Of course but those things infringe on others rights, (to life, to property). They are already illegal because of that. Is this relevant to what consenting adults do in private?If you start cirminalising things like murder, rape, bank robbery, etc, then isn’t that interfering with free will?
I agree with what you say. It is also legislating order without which chaos would prevail.
Peace.With freedom comes responsibility, or it isn’t freedom. Who said that???
Peace.The idea that “what consenting adults do in private” stays private is false. Drug abuse, out-of-wedlock sex, and dueling all have consequences that impact the public.
Is adultery between consenting adults is private? Does this have an affect on surrounding society? How about the abortions oftentimes resulting?
It doesn’t prevent you from willing whatever you want. It discourages one from acting out those intentions and allows for prosecution of criminal actions as well use of legal force necessary to prevent one from acting out those intentions. Free will is not interferred with. I could will evil befall my neighbor. Whether the evil I consider is legal or not, does not affect my will in the matter.
so you want to use the law to **force **people to act in a way you think is best for society with regards to these things.
thinking something and making the decision to act on it are different things. You are advocating using force to discourage people from doing things that primarly effect themselves. Using societal effects as the justification is dodgy ; government can promote morality in other ways without using the law to prosecute or punish individuals. What you’re really talking about is punishing people on behalf of God, for acts that offend God. With this reasoning why not outlaw that practice of non-christian religion?
No, I want to use the law to stop people from doing things that hurt society.
speed limits
Speed limits are based on the same moral principle as laws against drunk driving – that it is immoral to drive so as to endanger others.
No. You really have to stretch to say speed limits have anything to do with morality.
Do you think it’s a moral act to drive at unsafe speeds, or to drive drunk?
That’s a tax, to support the licensing system, the purpose of which is to see that only qualified people are allowed to operate motor vehicles on the public roads.
Why do you keep throwing in drunk driving laws? Because you know that speed limits by themselves have nothing to do with morality.
Again, not a moral issue. I already have a license and have paid for it. There’s no test for a license renewal. You just send a check. It does not ensure competent drivers. If it did, there would be a lot less fatalities. But its irrelevant, because there is no requirement to take a new test or do anything other then send in a check.
Speed limits have an association with the fifth commandment, “Thou Shalt Not Kill”. I take this to mean thou shalt not even take the risk of killing. Both killing and the risk of are negatives compared to a positive.
PeaceSpeed limits are built on basic moral principle are breaking them is not considered a victimless crime.