legislating morality

[Pepband_Mom]

The idea that we shouldn’t “legislate morality” a common position of individuals who support legalized abortion and same sex marriage. They say we shouldn’t force our beliefs on others. The thing is, we legislate morality all the time on less controversial issues. A thirty year old man cannot have sex with a ten year old girl, a thirteen year old boy cannot legally purchase and consume alcohol and cigarettes, and I cannot refuse to hire someone because of the color of their skin or their sex. Every one of those issues is 100% a morality question.

If the case is made that we can’t legislate morality we have to legalize all those things and quite a few other things besides. The reality is, most of our laws are based on some level in morality. Judge Robert Bork famously said, “You can’t legislate morality; We legislate little else.” He was right. In fact the very fabric of society is based on our concept of morality. If you throw that out, what do we have left?

If you throw out morality, you have the freight train at full throttle towards BARBARISM. Jesus stood for “women’s rights” before anyone. The Church has brought the greatest examples of charity, spread education universally, strongest adherence to morality since it’s inception where no one else has even come close.

Look at recent politics, we are headed towards BARBARISM if we don’t put on the brake with this next presidential election & get the train off the track.

 

[faithalone1]

when soceity tries to follow the natural law(Gods law) it flourishes. When it doesn’t, it dies. Abortion, promotion of gay lifestyle,feminism, secualrism led us nowhere. europe is 30 years ahead of us in this regard and they cant even sustain their own population and are being overwhelmed by a high islamic Birthrate. Europe has low birth rates, disentegration of families, no national pride, no faith. America is following Europes “Morality” model and its leading us nowhere.Nothing but a Promotion of the Culture of Death. The Communist rules for Revolution sums up American pretty well.

 

[Sufjon]

When it doesn’t, it dies. Abortion, promotion of gay lifestyle,feminism, secualrism led us nowhere.

Being tolerant of gay lifestyles is not necessarily the same as promoting gay lifestyles. Because there is no legislation against Mormon or Catholic or Hindu lifestyles, or against riding bicycles doesn’t mean that they are being promoted. Just accepted.

europe is 30 years ahead of us in this regard and they cant even sustain their own population and are being overwhelmed by a high islamic Birthrate. Europe has low birth rates…

Okay, on the one hand, Europe is being overwhelmed by a high Islamic birthrate, and can’t sustain it’s population. On the other hand, Europe has low birthrates. Europe sounds like a place full of contradiction. On a third hand, I suspect that you just don’t like the segment of their population that is growing. Maybe?

Disintegration of families, no national pride, no faith. America is following Europes “Morality” model and its leading us nowhere.Nothing but a Promotion of the Culture of Death. The Communist rules for Revolution sums up American pretty well.

Culture of death? Most of the people in the history of humanity who ever lived to be 65 are alive at this moment in history. Are we talking about physical death or some other kind of death?

Your friend,
Sufjon (the confused)

 

[Sufjon]

Look at recent politics, we are headed towards BARBARISM if we don’t put on the brake with this next presidential election & get the train off the track.

Oft times a train off the track is either a train wreck or a train out of service. An odd thing to wish for indeed.

I do see a Republican frontrunner emerging, who is speaking out against encouraging people to get a college education. I suppose he should be somewhat of an expert, since he has three degrees himself, and also sent his own kids to college. He sure learns about what’s bad the hard way. We better listen to him and stay away from higher education. Ya think he might be a liar? Nah!

Your friend,
Sufjon

 

[sedonaman]

Being tolerant of gay lifestyles is not necessarily the same as promoting gay lifestyles. …

Those who ask for tolerance know they are doing something wrong. Mother Theresa never asked for tolerance.

 

[Mumbles140]

Culture of death? Most of the people in the history of humanity who ever lived to be 65 are alive at this moment in history. Are we talking about physical death or some other kind of death?

But how many never have been given the chance to be born in the past 50 years as compared to the whole of human history? When have euthanasia and assisted suicide ever been so ‘accepted’ as they are now?

 

[Mumbles140]

Oft times a train off the track is either a train wreck or a train out of service. An odd thing to wish for indeed.

I do see a Republican frontrunner emerging, who is speaking out against encouraging people to get a college education. I suppose he should be somewhat of an expert, since he has three degrees himself, and also sent his own kids to college. He sure learns about what’s bad the hard way. We better listen to him and stay away from higher education. Ya think he might be a liar? Nah!

Your friend,
Sufjon

It is fair to say that a 4-year college education is not for everyone, although the expectations these days seem to be pushing for that. There seems to be a steady decline in the information available concerning vocational schools. Though I don’t have hard evidence, I have had several discussions with different groups of people concerning vocational schools, the military, and four-year universities. Also, and I don’t have the exact number, but I recall seeing that more people than ever are attending college out of high school than ever before. Add on the availability of online colleges, and it is so easy to go to college that it has steered expectations that way.

And are you trying to prove that politicians are dishonest, deceiving, or think they know better than everyone else without having that experience? I don’t disagree with you, but remember it was our current president who went against the majority opinion of the American people by mandating health care.

 

[Sufjon]

Those who ask for tolerance know they are doing something wrong.

Those who are intolerant could be found all over Germany in the 1930’s and 1940’s, and today can be found putting bombs in their underwear or their shoes and boarding planes. Certain churches even burned people at the stake, not because they were tolerant, but because they were intolerant, and operated in societies where the religious beliefs of some went unchecked insofar as how they were applied to the whole. They did it because they were intolerant. We live in a world where people have diverse views. To that end, we have a constitution that guarantees the right to have a view attended by a reasonable level of rights to live in accordance with them. Basically, your rights end where mine begin and vice versa, and this is where tolerance comes into play. No one is forcing you to use a condom, have an abortion, or maintain a homosexual lifestyle. You are free to reject all three and live in accordance with what you believe.

I hear a lot of about protecting or preserving the sanctity of marriage. Let me tell you, that the only people who can have an impact on the sanctity of your marriage are you and your spouse. What the two guys down the street do have nothing to do with it. So it is with any of what you call sacraments in your faith. The things that the person next to you at the altar to receive the Eucharist was up to the night before doesn’t diminish your sacrament of the Eucharist. He probably diminished his own, but he doesn’t affect yours. Fact is, you may have received a sacrament from someone at some point in your lifetime who is not only a homosexual, but participated in such activities, even after vowing not to. Did that diminish the sanctity of your sacrament or your life? Did it cause the Jesus to fly out of the wafer, or does Jesus see past all of that? Perhaps across town someone at a Lutheran or Baptist church someone is receiving something they call communion that you don’t recognize as communion. Does that make your communion a travesty? Of course I can only ask questions since I don’t have what you call sacraments. I am married, but to me that’s a social convention, not a sacrament. The sacrament part is the love that my wife and I have for each other, but you have the right not to recognize that. You do not, however, have the right to nullify or prevent it.

Mother Theresa never asked for tolerance.

Most of the people she cared for didn’t believe the same things she believed, and she was aware of that. She didn’t legislate them into her care, nor did she mandate what they should believe before she cared for them. She may not have asked for tolerance, but she practiced it. Mother Teresa was a great role model for people of all faiths.

Your friend,
Sufjon

 

[Sufjon]

But how many never have been given the chance to be born in the past 50 years as compared to the whole of human history?

They didn’t have the technologies many years ago that exist now, but let me assure you, there were abortions. How many abortions have been avoided through the use of condoms, gels, foams, pills, IUDs, reproductive surgery and the like? On the one hand, we tell people it is a sin to kill, while on the other hand we are telling people not to take modernly available precautions to avoid being put into a situation where one might kill, or be killed by an STD. We do this even though we know that people are going to have sex.

When have euthanasia and assisted suicide ever been so ‘accepted’ as they are now?

I wasn’t aware that these were legally accepted in the United States. As a matter of fact, I think there are only a handful of western nations that allow this sort of thing.

Your friend,
Sufjon

 

[Sufjon]

It is fair to say that a 4-year college education is not for everyone, although the expectations these days seem to be pushing for that. There seems to be a steady decline in the information available concerning vocational schools. Though I don’t have hard evidence, I have had several discussions with different groups of people concerning vocational schools, the military, and four-year universities. Also, and I don’t have the exact number, but I recall seeing that more people than ever are attending college out of high school than ever before. Add on the availability of online colleges, and it is so easy to go to college that it has steered expectations that way.

The President included vocational schools, community colleges and the like in his vision for a society better equipped to employ itself. The cold reality is that it is very difficult to position oneself these days in a manner that allows one to pop out of high school and spend the next 40 years putting dashboards in Chryslers. The fact is that I imagine few people watch their children at the playground and dream of the day when they’ll be a 55 year old roofer in July. There is little doubt that someone will end up doing that sort of work, but my sense is that it is seldom the result of tenacious and visionary planning and forethought on the part of parents, or higher aspirations on the part of the children. The point is that while lives like that will always exist, and are no doubt precious to God, such lives do not require a lot of preparation, or the ambitions of a nation to make them a reality.

And are you trying to prove that politicians are dishonest, deceiving, or think they know better than everyone else without having that experience? I don’t disagree with you, but remember it was our current president who went against the majority opinion of the American people by mandating health care.

The majority of the people who voted for him knew that this was high on his agenda, and he made no secret of it. It was on the list of the top three things he stood for. And the majority of the people who voted, voted for him, which means that the majority that counts agrees with him because the majority that counts is the majority that votes. If the majority of the American people disagree with that, they need to show up at the polls. The reason they don’t is that the majority you speak of is perhaps not a majority, but a loud minority, half of whom I’ve seen at the protests seem likely to be on Medicare and Social Security based on their age, the former of which is socialized medicine. The number of misspelled words on the signs they carry suggests that they’re not rich or overly educated either, again suggesting that they are reaping the benefits of a government funded system to some extent. I find it ironic that the people who seem to be out in the streets protesting for an “every man for himself” society seem to be the least well equipped to play in that arena. Watch these folks:

youtube.com/watch?v=lUPMjC9mq5Y

youtube.com/watch?v=fevga9jUC48

youtube.com/watch?v=oHItY5Anj3s

youtube.com/watch?v=oaHqJqfA13Y

Anyway, such programs only work when everyone participates. Listen, everyone reading this, including myself will have to die someday - that’s a fact. It’s also a fact that the process of dying and even aging is getting immensely expensive. Few people (probably over 90 percent) have a million dollars or even a quarter of a million dollars stashed away to pay for medical expenses, and few people slip away quietly in their sleep. A system is needed, and those who do not pay into the system raise the costs for those of us who do. Having such a system is a step in the direction of avoiding situations where people have to sell their homes to get a transplant for their 5 year old, or paying for the care of a family member who couldn’t get insurance because they had a pre-existing condition. Prior to the laws put in place by this administration, insurance companies had people on the payroll who got bonuses based on finding pre-existing conditions on people who had paid for health insurance for years. Once they got sick and needed expensive treatments, the job of these people was to find a way to cut them off. .

Your friend,
Sufjon

 

[Jeanne_S]

when soceity tries to follow the natural law(Gods law) it flourishes. When it doesn’t, it dies. Abortion, promotion of gay lifestyle,feminism, secualrism led us nowhere. europe is 30 years ahead of us in this regard and they cant even sustain their own population and are being overwhelmed by a high islamic Birthrate. Europe has low birth rates, disentegration of families, no national pride, no faith. America is following Europes “Morality” model and its leading us nowhere.Nothing but a Promotion of the Culture of Death. The Communist rules for Revolution sums up American pretty well.

I would like to see all priests speak from the pulpit on Humane Vitae,then have copies of this encyclical available to all parishioners.In light of the HHS mandate,it would behoove all Catholics(politicians included) to be aware of the Church’s stance so that they can articulately defend it!

 

[faithalone1]

Being tolerant of gay lifestyles is not necessarily the same as promoting gay lifestyles. Because there is no legislation against Mormon or Catholic or Hindu lifestyles, or against riding bicycles doesn’t mean that they are being promoted. Just accepted.

its is promoted in our media on a daily basis. no matter the medium.

Okay, on the one hand, Europe is being overwhelmed by a high Islamic birthrate, and can’t sustain it’s population. On the other hand, Europe has low birthrates. Europe sounds like a place full of contradiction. On a third hand, I suspect that you just don’t like the segment of their population that is growing. Maybe?

Yes you know CHRISTIAN Europe. Europeans have accepted Secularism and now the Native Euroepans are being bred out of existence by a very pro-family islamic immigrant minority.

Culture of death? Most of the people in the history of humanity who ever lived to be 65 are alive at this moment in history. Are we talking about physical death or some other kind of death?

56 million abortions in 40 years, promotion of gay agenda and feminism. these all run contrary to even carrying on our species with childbirth. Birthrate in this country is below sustainment level. food for thought.

Your friend,
Sufjon (the confused)

 

[faithalone1]

Being tolerant of gay lifestyles is not necessarily the same as promoting gay lifestyles. Because there is no legislation against Mormon or Catholic or Hindu lifestyles, or against riding bicycles doesn’t mean that they are being promoted. Just accepted.

Okay, on the one hand, Europe is being overwhelmed by a high Islamic birthrate, and can’t sustain it’s population. On the other hand, Europe has low birthrates. Europe sounds like a place full of contradiction. On a third hand, I suspect that you just don’t like the segment of their population that is growing. Maybe?

Culture of death? Most of the people in the history of humanity who ever lived to be 65 are alive at this moment in history. Are we talking about physical death or some other kind of death?

Your friend,
Sufjon (the confused)

Europe has accepted Secularism. You know it was Christian Europe, now they have seemingly pushed that aside and now the NATIVE Europeans have such low brithrates that are they now a SHRINKING population. they are dying out. The islamic immigrant birthrate is FAR higher and they will overwhelm the native Europeans at some point. DO you like Sharia LAW?

Yes Culture of death is the promotion of Abortion.gay lifestyle and feminism. These "movements" are ALL communist in origin. our country cannot even sustain itself if we abort 56 million fetuses in just 40 years, promote a gay lifestyle in our media and schools that obviously is counter to the natural law(Gods Law) and the family unit itself and tell our young women that they can be like men and should focus completely on a "Career" pushing family out of the way completely. Young women should know that they are valuable as mothers too. our society will not survive with this. The birthrate in this country is already below  sustainment levels.

Your may see your beliefs as “tolerant” but really they are “intolerant” towards the survival of our country. Violating Gods Natural Law always ends up the same way.

 

[Sufjon]

Europe has accepted Secularism.

We kind of did that too, around 1782 I think, Your are allowed to practice your religion as you see fit insofar as it applies to you. You just can’t foist it on other people, or persecute me for believing differently than you, and that’s what our laws aim at providing.

You know it was Christian Europe, now they have seemingly pushed that aside and now the NATIVE Europeans have such low brithrates that are they now a SHRINKING population. they are dying out. The islamic immigrant birthrate is FAR higher and they will overwhelm the native Europeans at some point. DO you like Sharia LAW?

They are dying out so fast that I can never get a seat on the Paris Metro.

Yes Culture of death is the promotion of Abortion.gay lifestyle and feminism. These “movements” are ALL communist in origin. our country cannot even sustain itself if we abort 56 million fetuses in just 40 years, promote a gay lifestyle in our media and schools that obviously is counter to the natural law(Gods Law) and the family unit itself and tell our young women that they can be like men and should focus completely on a “Career” pushing family out of the way completely.

Can you explain a bit more about how acceptance of gay lifestyles has contributed to the abortion rate? How many gay couples are having abortions? I don’t see the link between the two. As far as acceptance of homosexuality goes, I am curious about the communist origins of that. Can you tell me some about that?

Young women should know that they are valuable as mothers too. our society will not survive with this. The birthrate in this country is already below sustainment levels.

As of today, the world population it is estimated to number 6.997 billion by the United States Census Bureau. According to a separate estimate by the United Nations, it exceeded 7 billion in October 2011. While there has been a decline in the RATE of growth, this is to be expected, because as anyone in business can tell you, growth rates are harder to sustain as the numbers grow larger. Current projections show a continued increase in population, with the global population expected to reach between 7.5 and 10.5 billion by 2050.

Your may see your beliefs as “tolerant” but really they are “intolerant” towards the survival of our country. Violating Gods Natural Law always ends up the same way.

Yes, I do see myself as tolerant and I am quite satisfied with that. I am also comfortable that our country will survive and so will Europe as far as population is concerned. I haven’t seen any compelling arguments to the contrary. Aside from that, I see no correlation that suggests that having more people than 7 billion would enhance the quality of life on this planet in any measurable way. When is the last time you tried to get on a ride at Disney World? Takes all day unless you go during Gay Pride week when everyone boycotts the park. That’s when I used to take my kids. We rode all the rides in the magic Kingdom each year by 11am, and none of the gay people had horns, fangs, tails or cloven feet. They were quite happy to see a few families there. A good time for all. And the abortion rate among the gay people we met was profoundly low.

Your friend,
Sufjon

 

[Sufjon]

Europe has accepted Secularism. You know it was Christian Europe, now they have seemingly pushed that aside and now the NATIVE Europeans have such low brithrates that are they now a SHRINKING population. they are dying out. The islamic immigrant birthrate is FAR higher and they will overwhelm the native Europeans at some point. DO you like Sharia LAW?

Yes Culture of death is the promotion of Abortion.gay lifestyle and feminism. These "movements" are ALL communist in origin. our country cannot even sustain itself if we abort 56 million fetuses in just 40 years, promote a gay lifestyle in our media and schools that obviously is counter to the natural law(Gods Law) and the family unit itself and tell our young women that they can be like men and should focus completely on a "Career" pushing family out of the way completely. Young women should know that they are valuable as mothers too. our society will not survive with this. The birthrate in this country is already below  sustainment levels.

Your may see your beliefs as “tolerant” but really they are “intolerant” towards the survival of our country. Violating Gods Natural Law always ends up the same way.

Tell me more about this culture of death I keep hearing about on this forum. Since you mentioned it, I want to know. I heard about the death panels, but I haven’t been able to find them. My Mom just died of bone cancer. She needed a distraction while she was in the hospital, so we started a project to find the death panel so they could come see her. We spoke to hospital administrators and her case worker and asked to speak to the death panel. The hospital advised us that they didn’t have one. We found that curious, so we called other local hospitals and they said they didn’t have one either. So we asked to see the hospital liaison to the government death panels, and they didn’t have a liaison. So we called the Arlington County, VA health department and told them that my mother was dying and she urgently needed to see the county death panel. They said they didn’t have one, so we went on to the state of Virginia and we couldn’t even find anyone who knew how to find what department the death panel for the state would even be under. Daunted, but not resigned to failure, we called the Medicare people, because my Mom had Medicare. We asked to be visited by the Medicare Death Panel. They laughed and said they didn;t have one, and they kept insisting on paying my Mom’s astronomical bills.

We had to find someone to put a stop to all of this, so in desperation, we called United Health Care, because my Mom had supplemental health insurance with them through AARP. They too insisted that they were delighted to pay the portion of my Mom’s bills that they were obligated to pay, and they insisted that they didn’t have a death panel either. Eventually, in spite of all our efforts, my Mom’s bills were all paid right up until her death, We couldn’t find a death panel or anyone to cut her off. We were just as unsuccessful in finding a Federal Death Panel. As hard as we tried we couldn’t lose. Right up to the obituary, where the funeral home wanted to state that she had lost her three year battle with cancer. I advised them that the cancer died when she did, so it was more of a draw if you please. My Mom was undefeated! Well, except for her quest to find the Death Panel. They are an illusive bunch.

My wife is Catholic. My next project is to find an abortion that is funded by the church by mandate of the government. Of course we would never have an abortion, but we’ll call around and ask, because I’m just a curious sort of guy when I hear such things. I am also on a quest for government mandated church funded contraceptives. And I will ask to see the chain of funds back to the church so I can verify the origins of the services provided. Wish me luck, and I’ll keep you posted. I may start a blog on my efforts, but I bet I’ll jusrt be disappointed again.

Your friend
Sufjon (the myth buster)

 

[mlz]

All law is essentially an imposition of morality. Otherwise, law is completely capricious and arbibrary. Please don’t think this next statement is at all meant to be offensive or insulting (I know this is rarely taught to anybody), but this is really something that is very basic to the philosophy of law.

Yes, you are correct. I agree.

mlz

 

[faithalone1]

Tell me more about this culture of death I keep hearing about on this forum. Since you mentioned it, I want to know. I heard about the death panels, but I haven’t been able to find them. My Mom just died of bone cancer. She needed a distraction while she was in the hospital, so we started a project to find the death panel so they could come see her. We spoke to hospital administrators and her case worker and asked to speak to the death panel. The hospital advised us that they didn’t have one. We found that curious, so we called other local hospitals and they said they didn’t have one either. So we asked to see the hospital liaison to the government death panels, and they didn’t have a liaison. So we called the Arlington County, VA health department and told them that my mother was dying and she urgently needed to see the county death panel. They said they didn’t have one, so we went on to the state of Virginia and we couldn’t even find anyone who knew how to find what department the death panel for the state would even be under. Daunted, but not resigned to failure, we called the Medicare people, because my Mom had Medicare. We asked to be visited by the Medicare Death Panel. They laughed and said they didn;t have one, and they kept insisting on paying my Mom’s astronomical bills.

We had to find someone to put a stop to all of this, so in desperation, we called United Health Care, because my Mom had supplemental health insurance with them through AARP. They too insisted that they were delighted to pay the portion of my Mom’s bills that they were obligated to pay, and they insisted that they didn’t have a death panel either. Eventually, in spite of all our efforts, my Mom’s bills were all paid right up until her death, We couldn’t find a death panel or anyone to cut her off. We were just as unsuccessful in finding a Federal Death Panel. As hard as we tried we couldn’t lose. Right up to the obituary, where the funeral home wanted to state that she had lost her three year battle with cancer. I advised them that the cancer died when she did, so it was more of a draw if you please. My Mom was undefeated! Well, except for her quest to find the Death Panel. They are an illusive bunch.

My wife is Catholic. My next project is to find an abortion that is funded by the church by mandate of the government. Of course we would never have an abortion, but we’ll call around and ask, because I’m just a curious sort of guy when I hear such things. I am also on a quest for government mandated church funded contraceptives. And I will ask to see the chain of funds back to the church so I can verify the origins of the services provided. Wish me luck, and I’ll keep you posted. I may start a blog on my efforts, but I bet I’ll jusrt be disappointed again.

Your friend
Sufjon (the myth buster)

I’m sorry for your loss. We’re having communication problems. Culture of death refers to our countries secularist promotion of abortion,homosexuality and feminism. Just a lack of morals, A “whatever is convenient Morality” is what we have in America now and we wont last with this “morality”. This is a culture war. its the christian moral culture that built the greatest country on earth VS. a communist culture of death deviod of morals and God. Its that simple. can you see this happening? and yes its Communist. all of you socially liberal christians out there are following a Communist “moral” ideology. If you dont believe me just read the "Communist Takeover of America:45 goals written in 1958 OR the communist rules for revolution written in 1919. There are various quotes to be found on this subject from Communist leaders. The collapse of faith and morals in America was a key Communist Plan dating back decaded before our 60s “devolution”.

 

[Sufjon]

I’m sorry for your loss. We’re having communication problems. Culture of death refers to our countries secularist promotion of abortion,homosexuality and feminism. Just a lack of morals, A “whatever is convenient Morality” is what we have in America now and we wont last with this “morality”. This is a culture war. its the christian moral culture that built the greatest country on earth VS. a communist culture of death deviod of morals and God. Its that simple. can you see this happening? and yes its Communist. all of you socially liberal christians out there are following a Communist “moral” ideology. If you dont believe me just read the "Communist Takeover of America:45 goals written in 1958 OR the communist rules for revolution written in 1919. There are various quotes to be found on this subject from Communist leaders. The collapse of faith and morals in America was a key Communist Plan dating back decaded before our 60s “devolution”.

I saw an interview on TV with some Catholic Bishops. They said that. capitalism was the greatest evil on the planet, I don’t know if I disagree with them. Some questions:

-What is great about capitalism?

-What socialist aspects of our society do you see as bad? Social Security? Medicare? What?

I suspect that a mixture of both is good. Capitalism unchecked and on it’s own has enriched our society with material that brought us great classics like the stories of Charles Dickens.

Also, I fail to see a lack of morals in our society in contrast to the days of old. The days of old were not bastions of morality. A dark person couldn’t eat next to a white person in many parts of this country or ride anywhere but on the back of the bus. Women couldn’t vote and were pretty much their husband’s property. Japanese Americans were put in camps during the Second World War, but German Americans weren’t. I have seen how people of other races were portrayed in cartoons of the 1940’s. Divorced women or single women with children were looked upon and treated as garbage. Women could be outwardly harassed in the workplace with no recourse, and it was pretty much expected. I have seen movies (more than 1) from the 1930’s and 1940’s where men gave their wives a good spanking for being disobedient or strong willed. ;I could go on.

Your friend,
Sufjon

 

[z0wb13]

@ sufjon

i think you would find this interesting. i don’t want to discourage your posting, but it might explain why posting feels like banging your head against a wall;p

 

[Captain_America]

Sufjon. Buy a copy of the Catholic Catechism. It’s a valuable compendium of Catholic thought and teaching, and will much more directly, and authoritatively answer, your questions.

It’s pretty marvelous.

re: “legislating morality”; I just think this is a glam-term that keeps people from really thinking about the subject: of course we legislate morality. It’s always been that way and for many reasons it’s a good, not a bad, thing.

Some categories of law, however, are without much values content, e.g., traffic rules. But law derives its true force from an ethical grounding, not just by imposition of force.