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The length is governed by the number of Mass. We have 3 Masses on Sunday morning. There has to be enough time between Masses for the parking lot to emty for the next Mass. There aren’t meany people that live within walking distence of our Church. So most people have to drive. Hence the parking problem.
 
Hey Harland!

Aren’t their any folks there with vans that want to help their neighbors get to Mass? Could you imagine actually perking up before Mass realizing you’re actually doing a corporal work of mercy? Then I imgaine that the little bit of yeast that leavens the whole loafing loaf might help the charity in that parish grow and wow could you actually imagine the catechizing that would go on in the chatter in the van? Maybe some of the CCD captives might actually get help getting to Mass, too?

Peace and all good,

Thomas2
 
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Harland:
The length is governed by the number of Mass. We have 3 Masses on Sunday morning. There has to be enough time between Masses for the parking lot to emty for the next Mass. There aren’t meany people that live within walking distence of our Church. So most people have to drive. Hence the parking problem.
Well try eight Masses on Sunday in a church that holds 1500 people. Granted, not all Masses are full to capacity. About 10,000 people attend one of the ten! Masses (two vigil and the eight mentioned earlier) Parking is a huge problem. We went from Mass every 90 minutes to every 1 hr 45 min just because of parking.

It should be “as long as it takes” but the reality is 60 - 75 minutes.
 
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asquared:
sure can tell who the old-line Catholics are, bring back the Tridentine low Mass so we can get out of the parking lot early and pick up the bagels before the deli gets too crowded.
Whether it’s true, or not, that’s not a very nice thing to say. :tsktsk:
 
I’d love to know what the reasoning is of the person who voted for Mass to be LESS than 45 minutes 😛
 
Okay Faithful to Rome, I have to say that you gave me my second laugh for the night. You do wonder, don’t you. I guess he just loves his priest and wants to make it easy for him

Our priest has addressed some time issues with me to pass on to the other musicians (that’s kind of my default job). Because of parking and scheduling issues, some masses need to be kept on track. My priest** never** rushes the liturgy of the Eucharist, but there are some areas we tend to drag on. For example:

A Psalm doesn’t need to take 5-7 minutes.
We do not have to sing multiple verses of the entrance.
The Gospel Acclaimation was creeping to the 5 minute mark in a few Masses.
Three times around in the Agnus Dei is plenty (especially in light of RS).

So there are some leigtimate reasons for looking at time management in a Mass.
 
LifeTeen does not separate me from my parents!!! My parents are sunday Catholics…its a weekly punching of the card for them. I want to go to Mass, not Fast Food.

My LT atleast dosn’t have abuses anymore. They were corrected as soon as the LT headquarters informed us.

People should stop saying that LT seperates children from parents. My parents do not live their Catholicism, and neither do at least 50% of the kids parent’s. The parents are good Catholic parents do often join us for Mass.

EVERYONE is welcome at a LifeTeen Mass Great-Grandma’s to four year old cousins. Its to aid teens in understanding, not to exclude all others
 
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robertaf:
How lovely to enjoy Mass like you do. I have never been to a Life Teen Mass but I would love to if a Grandma would be welcome.

As an older lady, a mom and a grandma, I would like to give you some advise, even though you haven’t asked for it.

There are folks in these boards who would tell you things about these Masses that are not very nice. They tell me the same stuff about Charismatic Masses. You ignore them. You go to the Mass that brings you closer to the Lord and the Sacraments. If the Holy Spirit urges you to sing, clap your hands and stomp your feet, you listen to the Holy Spirit.

As long as these Masses are approved by the Church and your parents, do not worry about what other folks say to you.
This might even be a great time to invite your non Catholic friends to go to Mass with you.

God Bless you
Thank you for this post. We need more people like you on the boards and in our parishes.
 
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Harland:
The length is governed by the number of Mass. We have 3 Masses on Sunday morning. There has to be enough time between Masses for the parking lot to emty for the next Mass. There aren’t meany people that live within walking distence of our Church. So most people have to drive. Hence the parking problem.
I think the solution to the parking problem is to separate the Masses more. Our Masses on Sunday morning are currently 1-1/2 hours apart. They could be 2 hours apart instead.
 
Good Morning Church

Thanks Lance, you made my day.

Meggie, I am convinced. I am going to search out a Life Teen group and take my teenaged grandkids with me.
Usually take them with me to Southern California to the SCRC (Catholic Charismatic) Conference but not sure I can this year.

I will do some checking.

You stand firm. You really impress me.
 
Here is the link lifeteen.org/findparish.asp

Its how you find a lifeteen near you.
Warning…from what I have heard all LifeTeens are not as good as mine.

Another note. Some meet once a week…others meet once a month. If they don’t have the particular information call first.

Many of the people here carry around the impression that they are persucted Catholics in a modern world, yet not many of them have any idea what it is to be a teen and have everyone against your faith, or if they have they’ve forgotten. Its a heavy burden and a program such as lifeteen is probably one of the only youth groups that equips its leaders to deal with family problems. It shouldn’t be necessary, but it is. Its like the people here hate me for going against my parents, until they find out that my parent’s are just Sunday Catholics.

I love Mass. I go every day. On weekdays Mass is only 35 minutes, but I love every minute of it. I make many sacrifices to go to Mass, some that others could never understand.
 
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Meggie:
LifeTeen does not separate me from my parents!!! My parents are sunday Catholics…its a weekly punching of the card for them. I want to go to Mass, not Fast Food.

My LT atleast dosn’t have abuses anymore. They were corrected as soon as the LT headquarters informed us.

People should stop saying that LT seperates children from parents. My parents do not live their Catholicism, and neither do at least 50% of the kids parent’s. The parents are good Catholic parents do often join us for Mass.

EVERYONE is welcome at a LifeTeen Mass Great-Grandma’s to four year old cousins. Its to aid teens in understanding, not to exclude all others
What are these LT headquarters? So, Life Teen messes have a different headquarters than the Catholic Church?\

" My parents don’t live the Catholic way"
How do you measure some one’s Catholicity? Only God knows the True Fervor of His faithful. We shouldn’t pressume anyone else’s sensus Catholicus. All we can see is the people’s outward expressions but we don’t see there souls.

Everyone is welcome to any Mass but the LT mess is centered on teenagers. A Mass[read: unbloody Sacrifice] is not sometihng that should be made to conform to one specific group of people. The Mass’s focus is not the teenager or the person but the Unbloody Sacrifice of Calvary. Or in other words Jesu Christ,God’s Crucifixion.

What does “understanding” mean? This could mean anything.

To Meggan andother Lter’s:
Go to a Traditional Latin Mass for a month and compare the outward appearances of the people at a Traditional Latin Mass and a Lifeteen mess.
 
“Wow that is exactly what anti Catholic-Pentecostalism people say. That the Life Teen mess separates the children from the parents. Life Teen messes have so many abuses and lots of stuff that isn’t in sync with Catholicism. Yet if I wanted a Solemn High Traditional Latin Mass[or even a Missa Cantata] with an hour long sermon every Sunday … in every parish… I would be called a schismatic. Yet the Solemn High Traditional Mass is an almost perfect expression of Catholicism, while Life Teen messes have many things borrowed from Protestants.Weird ain’t it???I was about to rail on most (or at least some) of you, but Cathoilc_Eagle has already done a great job of that.”

Good job, Cathoilic_Eagle. It is ridiculous to see some of the nonsense at the LifeTeen Messes (and all Charismatic Messes). They are a joke to say the least and usually invalid. In any event, asquared sums up the ignorance and stupidity of neo-conservatives (and worse, liberals) who oppose the Mass of All Times, trying to characterize the Mass by the singular practice in *some *churches in America (and some Irish churches, not the rest of the world) for only a short period of time!! Compare this to the Nervous Disorder, and the person making the comment finds himself embarassed (especially in light of the 20 Minute Special and similar Masses offered by my “Catholic” school “priest” or the fact that most of them do not even say Mass unless they are schedule to!!!).

By the way, asquared’s comment was: “sure can tell who the old-line Catholics are, bring back the Tridentine low Mass so we can get out of the parking lot early and pick up the bagels before the deli gets too crowded.” I would add to what I said above, that this person also shows his ignorance by the fact that popular devotions were commonly practiced (even in the churches with quick Masses) whereas they are nowhere to be found in most ‘parishes.’

No one, even if he pour out his blood for the Name of Christ, can be saved, unless he remain within the bosom and the unity of the Catholic Church. -Ecumenical Council of Florence (infallible)

While I don’t agree with some of Life Teen things like standing around the altar and that kind of stuff, I extremely disagree with everything this person above has said. First of all his quote in bold…Yes that was infalllible THEN, After Vatican II, it was no longer infallible for the documents and teachings of Vatican II were instead adopted. So this person needs to keep up with the teachings of the church, that one is no longer valid-it saddens me that sometimes people can be so narrow-minded, self-righteous, and judgmental. I usually alternate between attending ENglish Mass and Traditional Latin Mass. I personally prefer understanding the Mass in my own language, the music is great and I think overall I get more out of it. However I do love elements of the old Mass like the incense, solemnity, reverence, and I’m a fan of Gregorian chant:-)Basically whatever Mass that attracts any individual to become a self-less, warm, loving individual who has a deeper spiritual and personal relationship with Christ is perfectly fine as long as it is under the Church’s Rule (I’m not sure about the whole Charimatic thing…kinda sounds sketchy to me), which everything I have mentioned is. It sounds like Meggie knows her faith and is on the right track…I know many other teens that are truly on fire for Christ which is A LOT more to say than for the stiff traditionists. Youth alive in Christ; Christ alive in youth; I’m thinking this generation can be a model to many of the older generations and their parents.
 
The ways my parents aren’t really Catholic from what I can see …they discourage rosary, forbid reading the bible, taunt saying grace, mock the Real Presance, reduce Mass to a mere homily. Are those good enough reasons? My parents claim to be Catholic, but all those things are very much a part of the Faith. Its hard to find anything good about the Catholic Faith with these examples.

The “head” of LifeTeen, the place is supposed to make sure that all the LifeTeens are following GIRM is in Mesa, AZ… They collect ideas for lifeNights and are also responsable for making sure new adults who join the group are trained and are safe.

LifeTeen is ment for teenagers because it is a longer Mass. The priests are extra careful to explain things about Mass (eg. when everyone makes the sign of the cross) this can be redundant and unapealing to those who know Mass and faith well.

How am I supposed to go to a Latin Mass? The nearest one is 45 minutes and 30 miles away. My parents hate me going to a church 2 miles and 5 minutes away.

How dare you insult the appearance of those at a LifeTeen Mass. Many of the kids try to wear their best. Many of the kids in my LifeTeen do not have such things as “Church clothes” nor could they afford them.
 
While I don’t agree with some of Life Teen things like standing around the altar and that kind of stuff,
This has been forbidden, as well as many practices that they complain about here. My youth group now omits this and other practices like it.
 
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Meggie:
The ways my parents aren’t really Catholic from what I can see …they discourage rosary, forbid reading the bible, taunt saying grace, mock the Real Presance, reduce Mass to a mere homily. Are those good enough reasons? My parents claim to be Catholic, but all those things are very much a part of the Faith. Its hard to find anything good about the Catholic Faith with these examples.

The “head” of LifeTeen, the place is supposed to make sure that all the LifeTeens are following GIRM is in Mesa, AZ… They collect ideas for lifeNights and are also responsable for making sure new adults who join the group are trained and are safe.

LifeTeen is ment for teenagers because it is a longer Mass. The priests are extra careful to explain things about Mass (eg. when everyone makes the sign of the cross) this can be redundant and unapealing to those who know Mass and faith well.

How am I supposed to go to a Latin Mass? The nearest one is 45 minutes and 30 miles away. My parents hate me going to a church 2 miles and 5 minutes away.

How dare you insult the appearance of those at a LifeTeen Mass. Many of the kids try to wear their best. Many of the kids in my LifeTeen do not have such things as “Church clothes” nor could they afford them.
By external appearance I meant the way there prayers look like. I didn’t say anything about the people’s attire.Kneeling,standing,arms clasped. et cetera. Life Teen messes are almost always in the suburbs in my area. My parents almost never earned more than 30,000 dollars yet I had a suit and I wore one to church. Most people who live in the suburbs can’t live on such meagre wages as my parents.

Don’t you have a private place in your house where you could pray the Rosary,read the Bible,and others things like this?
 
I say as long as necessary. In my experience, the Masses I’ve attended last around an hour, sometimes a little more, sometimes a little less.
 
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BrianDay:
Well try eight Masses on Sunday in a church that holds 1500 people. Granted, not all Masses are full to capacity. About 10,000 people attend one of the ten! Masses (two vigil and the eight mentioned earlier) Parking is a huge problem. We went from Mass every 90 minutes to every 1 hr 45 min just because of parking.

It should be “as long as it takes” but the reality is 60 - 75 minutes.
All I can say is WOW. And we thought we had problems. I sympathize.
 
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pnewton:
A Psalm doesn’t need to take 5-7 minutes.
We do not have to sing multiple verses of the entrance.
The Gospel Acclaimation was creeping to the 5 minute mark in a few Masses.
Three times around in the Agnus Dei is plenty (especially in light of RS).

So there are some leigtimate reasons for looking at time management in a Mass.
Excellent points, pnewton. Just as the Mass deserves beautiful vestments, majestic surroundings, worshipful music, etc, so also does it deserve ritual proportion and balance. Longer is not always better. The Mass is the sacrifice of Calvary, but it is also still a rite, a ceremony, and still needs all the worldly requirements of good ritual.
 
Two differnt people on this thread has refered to the Mass as mess. If you want to call each other names, that is your business. But you should tread carefully about calling the Holy Mass, in an form, the Mess. That’s my Lord’s sacrifice you are talking about.
 
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