Lesbians adopt child and have him baptized in Catholic parish - Scandal?

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I realize this thread bears some similarities to a previous thread in one of the public forums and one in the apologists’ Q&A forum.

But, my concern and my request for advice are less “theoretical” and quite immediate:

I have a friend – for convenience I’ll refer to her as “Sue” – who underwent an adult reversion to the Catholic Faith. That is a good thing, of course! And now Sue is a parishioner at a small Catholic parish near to my own parish and within the same diocese.

The “problem” is that Sue has embraced for many years, well prior to her reversion, an openly (though she is quite discreet) homosexual lifestyle. She has lived with her current partner – I’ll refer to her as “Jenn” – in a sexual relationship for more than a decade. Jenn is not a Christian, and is not open to the Catholic Faith, though she greatly respects Sue’s personal faith.

According to Sue, her Catholic pastor has direclty encouraged her to understand homosexual relations as non-sinful.

Of course I pray for Sue, and for Jenn. I like Sue! She is a wonderful, deeply spiritual and prayerful person. She gives powerful, and often entirely sound, Catholic spiritual and moral counsel to many, many persons in the course of every week.

Sue has, though, bought entirely into the “Gary Wills analysis” (a deeply flawed one) of the Church and its leaders. This too, according to Sue, follows upon the counsel and teachings of her pastor.

Now, Sue and Jenn have been patiently and actively applying to adopt a child for the past three years. They were succesful, and three weeks ago, a baby boby legally became their son.

About a week ago, their 4-month old boy was baptized in Sue’s Catholic parish by her pastor, with Jenn, official goddparents and less than a handful of other witnesses in attendance. This was done without “fanfare,” and probably few in the small parish are aware of the situation. There is no doubt whatsoever that the pastor is fully aware of the nature of Jenn’s and Sue’s relationship.

The question is . . . What should I do? Anything?

Surely this meets the criteria for being public scandal according to Church teaching.

My concerns are principally:

(1) The deadly spiritual damage being wrought by this priest in his counsel to Sue, and other souls too no doubt.

(2) The little boy – his emotional and psychological health and for his salvation. Of course Sue plans to raise him as a Catholic, but is Canon Law able to identify/address the likely-defective nature of his formation?

(3) The scandal and confusion caused by this situation as the “news” spreads.

(4) Anonymity for myself and other Catholics in the diocese who wish to lodge some kind of “complaint” in the very near future. Sue is my friend – she knows where I stand on this matter, but I’d rather not alienate her if at all possible. She has no idea that I intend to somewhow raise an exception to what has happened.

Or maybe someone here can convince me to “stay out of other people’s business.”

But this whole situation feels so very wrong.

Please help.

By the way, so far as I am aware, the priest in question has never before been known to “cause trouble” in a semi-public manner like this.
 
it is not a source of scandal to you, since you know the person and her story, and you know the truth of Catholic teaching, and you know the source of the problem, which is the priest. The real scandal is not the behavior of the woman, who should be presumed innocent in conscience since she has been improperly taught. The real scandal is the teaching of the priest, if that is in fact the point of view he promotes. If he has, or feels he has assurance that the child will be raised Catholic (even though his definition of what that implies is deficient), and the parents or legal guardians consent, he can and should baptize the baby.

The scandal lies in what he evidently considers to be a Catholic “lifestyle”. He, and they, are not alone in their point of view, which you so accurately characterize as the gospel according to Garry Wills. Your friend is suffering from vincible ignorance, which is capable of being corrected, but only in the most gentle, loving Christlike way. You may be uniquely situated to be the one to assist her. Please read Search and Rescue by Patrick Madrid before you start, and in the meantime pray like mad.
 
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puzzleannie:
it is not a source of scandal to you, since you know the person and her story, and you know the truth of Catholic teaching . . . in the meantime pray like mad.
As regards the situation being “scandalous,” I meant in reference to other Catholics and also for non-Catholics who are or will become aware of the situation and understand this matter to be the Church’s new “thumbs up” to homosexual relationships.

Thank you for your encouragement and the good advice.
 
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Truth_Is_Good:
About a week ago, their 4-month old boy was baptized in Sue’s Catholic parish by her pastor, with Jenn, official goddparents and less than a handful of other witnesses in attendance. This was done without “fanfare,” and probably few in the small parish are aware of the situation. There is no doubt whatsoever that the pastor is fully aware of the nature of Jenn’s and Sue’s relationship.

The question is . . . What should I do? Anything?

Surely this meets the criteria for being public scandal according to Church teaching.

My concerns are principally:

(1) The deadly spiritual damage being wrought by this priest in his counsel to Sue, and other souls too no doubt.

(2) The little boy – his emotional and psychological health and for his salvation. Of course Sue plans to raise him as a Catholic, but is Canon Law able to identify/address the likely-defective nature of his formation?

(3) The scandal and confusion caused by this situation as the “news” spreads.

(4) Anonymity for myself and other Catholics in the diocese who wish to lodge some kind of “complaint” in the very near future. Sue is my friend – she knows where I stand on this matter, but I’d rather not alienate her if at all possible. She has no idea that I intend to somewhow raise an exception to what has happened.

Or maybe someone here can convince me to “stay out of other people’s business.”

But this whole situation feels so very wrong.

Please help.

By the way, so far as I am aware, the priest in question has never before been known to “cause trouble” in a semi-public manner like this.
The problem is not the Baptism of the child. Sue should be praised for this act of prudence. As a church, we have suffered from a multiple personality disorder regarding homosexuality.

CCC 2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God’s will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord’s Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition. CCC 2359
Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection.
The problem as I see it is a lack of strength and conviction in addressing the moral issues of our times. What ever happened to “warn the sinner”?
Monthly, the Cathedral parish associated with our diocese hosts a mass for homosexuals and their families. Curiosity got the better of me so I attended to get the “flavor” of the mass. I was horrified. This was a celebration. The procession included banners, the homily was praising and the mass was followed by a pot luck dinner in the parish hall.

If we as a body of faith do not begin to draw a line between the right and wrong, we will continue our downward spiral.
 
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Truth_Is_Good:
Anonymity for myself and other Catholics in the diocese who wish to lodge some kind of “complaint” in the very near future. Sue is my friend – she knows where I stand on this matter, but I’d rather not alienate her if at all possible. She has no idea that I intend to somewhow raise an exception to what has happened.
Pick a side.

You want to have the best of both worlds. You want to keep your friendship with Sue while you tattle on her and the priest using information that she gave you because she thought you were her friend. Seems a little underhanded to me.
 
I agree that the most important issue in the whole situation is the priest. Anyone who lies to the faithful about Catholic teaching does not belong in ministry (lay or ordained) and his baptism of the child, while possibly well-intention, is at best based on a very flawed conception of an expectation that he will be raised in the Catholic faith. As long as that priest is allowed to continue unchecked he will continue to damage the Church, and some of that damage might never get repaired. I’d say that whatever you do about the baptism in and of itself something definitely needs done about the priest. Somehow the smoke of Satan has crept into the Church.
 
A boy raised in a Catholic lesbian home w/ ALL Catholic teachings. Child grows in the faith then one day realizes what Christ and His church teach about the homosexual lifestyle. Then, he looks at those who have reared him.

Just how confusing will this be for the boy!?.
 
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