"Let there be light " He is first born of creation

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Genesis 1
1 In the beginning when God created[a] the heavens and the earth, 2 the earth was a formless void and darkness covered the face of the deep, while a wind from God swept over the face of the waters. 3 Then God said, “Let there be light”; and there was light. 4 And God saw that the light was good; and God separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, the first day.
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The first words out of God’s mouth that the Sacred Scriptures records." Let there be light"

Could this light be the Word of God? The first born of creation? Could it be Jesus soul created glorified? The light seen at the Transfiguration?
 
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Bizarre opinion, considering the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are co-eternal. Struggle to get a sense of what you are even talking about really,
 
I think the phrase “firstborn of all creation” is talking about Jesus as the first man of God’s new creation. This new creation is what all must be born again into to inherit eternal life.
 
Jesus is called the light of the world, so it is not that bizarre to make this connection.
Consider that in John 1 Jesus is actually called the light that shines in the darkness, which is written just after the words “in the beginning”. The connection is definitely there.

As for the fact that the word is eternal, notice that the creation of light happens before the creation of night and day. This could mean that the light was created before God created time, and therefore he was eternally begotten.
 
Benadam said:
Genesis 1
1 In the beginning when God created[a] the heavens and the earth, 2 the earth was a formless void and darkness covered the face of the deep, while a wind from God swept over the face of the waters. 3 Then God said, “Let there be light”; and there was light. 4 And God saw that the light was good; and God separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, the first day.
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No, since the Word is the Son of God, one person of the uncreated Holy Trinity.
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He is not created, but this could be God begetting the Word before all ages, as the creed says.
 
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He is not created, but this could be God begetting the Word before all ages, as the creed says.
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Genesis is speaking of when God created light.

John 1:3 All things were made by him: and without him was made nothing that was made.
 
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The first words out of God’s mouth that the Sacred Scriptures records." Let there be light"

Could this light be the Word of God?
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I don’t think so. The Word of God created the light. Before that light was created by the Word, Genesis references the earth (albeit formless) and the waters (albeit deep), so the author of Genesis must have had in mind the existence of something physical out there in the windy dark before the light. Clearly light wasn’t the first thing created according to this story.
 
John 1:3 says “in him” not “by him”.

Jesus is called “the light” on various accasions
 
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John 1:3 says “in him” not “by him”.

Jesus is called “the light” on various accasions
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There is a large commentary in the Haydock Commentary on the verse John 1:3. Note that the Arians opposed the Catholic teaching about the Word.

Douay Rheims Challoner “John 1:3 All things were made by him: and without him was made nothing that was made.”
Ver. 3. All things were made by him,[2] and without him was made nothing that was made. >

These words teach us, that all created being, visible, or invisible on earth, every thing that ever was made, or began to be, were made, produced, and created by this eternal word, or by the Son of God. The same is truly said of the Holy Ghost; all creatures being equally produced, created, and preserved by the three divine Persons as, by their proper, principal, and efficient cause, in the same manner, and by the same action: not by the Son, in any manner inferior to the Father; nor as if the Son produced things only ministerially, and acted only as the minister, and instrument of the Father, as the Arians pretended. In this sublime mystery of one God and three distinct Persons, if we consider the eternal processions, and personal proprieties, the Father is the first Person, but not by any priority of time, or of dignity; all the three divine Persons being eternal, or co-eternal, equal in all perfections, being one in nature, in substance, in power, in majesty: in a word, one and the same God… (Witham)

— Were made, &c. Mauduit here represents the word: —“1. As a cause, or principle, acting extraneously from himself upon the void space, in order to give a being to all creatures:” whereas there was no void space before the creation. Ante omnia Deus erat solus, ipse sibi et mundus et locus, et omnia. (Tertullian, lib. cont. Prax. chap. v.) And St. Augustine in Psalm cxxii. says: antequam faceret Deus Sanctos, ubi habitabat? In se habitabat, apud se habitabat. — The creation of all things, visible and invisible, was the work of the whole blessed Trinity; but the Scriptures generally attribute it to the word; because wisdom, reason, and intelligence, which are the attributes of the Son, are displayed most in it. (Calmet)

— What wonderful tergiversations the Arians used to avoid the evidence of this text, we see in St. Augustine, lib. iii. de doct. Christ. chap. 2; even such as modern dissenters do, to avoid the evidence of This is my Body, concerning the blessed Eucharist. (Bristow)
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http://haydock1859.tripod.com/id92.html
 
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I must say I haven’t thought about this in great detail. How do you think Genesis 1 and John 1 are connected?
 
Wouldn’t this imply Jesus is a created being and thus not consubstantial with the father? Kind of undermines the trinity.
 
Why, if it is divinely-inspired, is scripture open to such a wide range of interpretations?
 
Eveyrone should bookmark Haydock’s Commentary. 75% of the CAF queries can find answers there.
 
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