"Let there be light!"

[Charlemagne_III]

And now we know pretty much for sure that the Big Bang is confirmed once and for all.

Food for thought?

Is this magical thinking? Some might call it pulling ten thousand rabbits out of a hat.

news.yahoo.com/scientists-detect-echoes-big-bang-151753508.html

 

[Oreoracle]

I’m guessing by your tone that you think it is magical thinking? How so?

 

[oldcelt]

It is not magical thinking when scientists find direct evidence of the Big Band in the form of energy waves from the event. This had been postulated for some time, but these waves are very difficult to see through our atmosphere.

No hocus-pocus…hard evidence.

 

[Robert_Sock]

Be leery of earthly ‘science!’ It’s a bunch of lies created by Satan. Do we not live in a world of deep darkness? Consider the following from within Chabad:

[This world] is the lowest in degree; there is none lower than it in terms of concealment of His light and no world compares with it for doubled and redoubled darkness; nowhere is G d’s light hidden as in this world.
m.chabad.org/dailystudy/tanya.asp?tdate=3/9/2014

 

[agnes_therese]

Be leery of earthly ‘science!’ It’s a bunch of lies created by Satan. Do we not live in a world of deep darkness? Consider the following from within Chabad:

[This world] is the lowest in degree; there is none lower than it in terms of concealment of His light and no world compares with it for doubled and redoubled darkness; nowhere is G d’s light hidden as in this world.
m.chabad.org/dailystudy/tanya.asp?tdate=3/9/2014

Let’s consider, instead, the Catechism of the Catholic Church:
159 Faith and science: “Though faith is above reason, there can never be any real discrepancy between faith and reason. Since the same God who reveals mysteries and infuses faith has bestowed the light of reason on the human mind, God cannot deny himself, nor can truth ever contradict truth.” “Consequently, methodical research in all branches of knowledge, provided it is carried out in a truly scientific manner and does not override moral laws, can never conflict with the faith, because the things of the world and the things of faith derive from the same God. The humble and persevering investigator of the secrets of nature is being led, as it were, by the hand of God in spite of himself, for it is God, the conserver of all things, who made them what they are.”

 

[Charlemagne_III]

I’m guessing by your tone that you think it is magical thinking? How so?

I don’t think the Big Bang is magical thinking. I just think that critics of religion have always called it magical thinking … the idea of creating a universe from nothing.

But now we have the fact that the present universe began as a singularity … virtually nothing … like pulling ten thousand rabbits out of a hat.

Carl Sagan in Cosmos, 1980 A.D.

“Ten or twenty billion years ago, something happened – the Big Bang, the event that began our universe…. In that titanic cosmic explosion, the universe began an expansion which has never ceased…. As space stretched, the matter and energy in the universe expanded with it and rapidly cooled. The radiation of the cosmic fireball, which, then as now, filled the universe, moved through the spectrum – from gamma rays to X-rays to ultraviolet light; through the rainbow colors of the visible spectrum; into the infrared and radio regions. The remnants of that fireball, the cosmic background radiation, emanating from all parts of the sky can be detected by radio telescopes today. In the early universe, space was brilliantly illuminated.”

Genesis, 1200 B.C. : “In the beginning God said: ‘Let there be light.’”

 

[christus_vincit]

Carl Sagan in Cosmos, 1980 A.D.

“Ten or twenty billion years ago, something happened – the Big Bang, the event that began our universe…. In that titanic cosmic explosion, the universe began an expansion which has never ceased…. As space stretched, the matter and energy in the universe expanded with it and rapidly cooled. The radiation of the cosmic fireball, which, then as now, filled the universe, moved through the spectrum – from gamma rays to X-rays to ultraviolet light; through the rainbow colors of the visible spectrum; into the infrared and radio regions. The remnants of that fireball, the cosmic background radiation, emanating from all parts of the sky can be detected by radio telescopes today. In the early universe, space was brilliantly illuminated.”

Genesis, 1200 B.C. : “In the beginning God said: ‘Let there be light.’”

I love it!

 

[Robert_Sock]

Let’s consider, instead, the Catechism of the Catholic Church:
159 Faith and science: “Though faith is above reason, there can never be any real discrepancy between faith and reason. Since the same God who reveals mysteries and infuses faith has bestowed the light of reason on the human mind, God cannot deny himself, nor can truth ever contradict truth.” “Consequently, methodical research in all branches of knowledge, provided it is carried out in a truly scientific manner and does not override moral laws, can never conflict with the faith, because the things of the world and the things of faith derive from the same God. The humble and persevering investigator of the secrets of nature is being led, as it were, by the hand of God in spite of himself, for it is God, the conserver of all things, who made them what they are.”

OK, thank you for bringing this to my attention. I agree that things tested truly scientifically can be trusted, but my contention is that much of this world is under a strong spell by Satan and that much of what we take for granted within science is really false. Just because the news media calls something ‘scientific’ does not mean that it has been scientifically proven. (I’m a retired research psychologist and I can testify that much in ‘science’ have severe methodological and statistical problems.)

LOVE!

 

[Oreoracle]

But now we have the fact that the present universe began as a singularity … virtually nothing … like pulling ten thousand rabbits out of a hat.

The singularity wasn’t “virtually nothing”. It was an immeasurably dense packet of mass and energy. Such a thing would literally be the densest, most massive thing to ever exist.

 

[agnes_therese]

OK, thank you for bringing this to my attention. I agree that things tested truly scientifically can be trusted, but my contention is that much of this world is under a strong spell by Satan and that much of what we take for granted within science is really false. Just because the news media calls something ‘scientific’ does not mean that it has been scientifically proven. (I’m a retired research psychologist and I can testify that much in ‘science’ have severe methodological and statistical problems.)

LOVE!

Then we agree completely!

 

[oldcelt]

I’ll be curious to see how the peer review goes on this. From what I have read so far this project has been looking for years for evidence. It took me six years to write a book, but I don’t know if I could take six years of day after day observation…ouch.

 

[Nelka]

And now we know pretty much for sure that the Big Bang is confirmed once and for all.

Food for thought?

Is this magical thinking? Some might call it pulling ten thousand rabbits out of a hat.

news.yahoo.com/scientists-detect-echoes-big-bang-151753508.html

Are you joking?

Do you really believe these scientists?

Do you not believe in God at all?

Do you not think that God has the power to click His fingers and the world comes into being?

:banghead:

 

[Charlemagne_III]

The singularity wasn’t “virtually nothing”. It was an immeasurably dense packet of mass and energy. Such a thing would literally be the densest, most massive thing to ever exist.

No. The present universe is the most massive thing ever to exist.

Do you know nothing about the Big Bang?

 

[Charlemagne_III]

Are you joking? Do you not believe in God at all?:

Well, since I sign myself a Catholic, why wouldn’t I?

Did you mean to address your post to someone else?

 

[Oreoracle]

No. The present universe is the most massive thing ever to exist.

Do you know nothing about the Big Bang?

The singularity had infinite density, meaning it had infinite mass and zero volume. That’s why the Big Bang is difficult to approach mathematically.

 

[agnes_therese]

Are you joking?

Did you see any smileys indicating a joke?

Do you really believe these scientists?

Do you have any solid, scientific evidence that they’re wrong?

Do you not believe in God at all.

Why do you keep saying that people who are fascinated by the magnificence of God’s creation must not believe in Him? That doesn’t make sense.

Do you not think that God has the power to click His fingers and the world comes into being?

Of course He does. Maybe He did, and a snap of His fingers looks like billions of years to our little human minds.

Do you really think His actions are confined by our extremely-limited understanding? That would be a very small God, not our infinite, omniscient, King and Creator of the Universe (or Universes, as the case may be).

 

[ThinkingSapien]

Charlemagne III;11813036:

No. The present universe is the most massive thing ever to exist.

Do you know nothing about the Big Bang?

The singularity had infinite density, meaning it had infinite mass and zero volume. That’s why the Big Bang is difficult to approach mathematically.

@Charlemagne - you’ve expressed respect for the views of Georges Lemaître before. This may be relevant.
wiki:

In 1931 Lemaître went further and suggested that the evident expansion of the universe, if projected back in time, meant that the further in the past the smaller the universe was, until at some finite time in the past all the mass of the universe was concentrated into a single point, a “primeval atom” where and when the fabric of time and space came into existence.

 

[Charlemagne_III]

The singularity had infinite density, meaning it had infinite mass and zero volume. That’s why the Big Bang is difficult to approach mathematically.

Not so difficult to approach theologically.

 

[Charlemagne_III]

@Charlemagne - you’ve expressed respect for the views of Georges Lemaître before. This may be relevant.

Thank you for the reminder!

 

[Oreoracle]

Not so difficult to approach theologically.

My qualm was with your analogy. You said it’s like pulling 10,000 rabbits out of a hat. It’s really more like pulling a rabbit out of a zoo–not terribly remarkable, at least in that regard.