Let's be real about the shortage of priests

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There is undeniably a shortage of priests. I have heard theories from celibacy to smaller families being the reason. Popular culture. I’ve even heard some say it was the result of the Second Vatican Council and in traditional Latin societies people are in seminary at a greater percentage than diocean. I don’t subscribe to the latter but there’s so many reasons.
My diocese had over 200 priests 30 years ago. Today It’s 40. Churches are closing and being merged. It’s a crisis really and one that needs to be addressed pretty fast. Even countries like Germany who once sent priests to other countries are now in a shortage.
Something needs to change otherwise in twenty years we’re all going to be driving an hour to the cathedral of the diocese where the two priests in the diocese say Mass. Grim but when you look at the loss in 30 years and the average age of priests you see this is actually real.
 
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A solidly Catholic childhood and home is vital to vocations, but the temptations of secular society oppose this.
 
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Our society looks at serving a cause greater than yourself with contempt. Celibacy and purity are mocked, and Christianity is viewed as antique hocus pocus
 
But strangely, they’re still superstitous. They’ll consult fortune tellers over Jesus, use crystals to enhance their “chakras”, and all manner of nonsense. They want the spiritual, but without the demands. They want it to cater to them without making sacrifices (beyond the money to buy said things).
 
Absolutely. And those New Agers who do believe in Jesus view him as this ‘Puppies and butterflies’ type who demands nothing of you, in complete contraditction of today’s Gospel.
 
If you mean to imply that Vatican 2 was lacking in doctrine, think again…
So many people imply causation between Vatican 2 and the drop in Catholicism/belief in real presence/ general doctrines, when there is only correlation. Society would have done that, no matter what.
 
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I think it’s important to look at what seminaries are flourishing. What are they doing that’s different? There’s a reason there’s a shortage of priests, and I don’t think it’s just that it’s “modern times”. It has to do with what WE are doing wrong.
 
I’m going with the near-collapse of the Catholic school system. Those exposed boys and young men to a far greater understanding of the faith than anyone can get in CCD, 8 hours a day of Catholic values, the living witness of vowed religious and dedicated lay teachers, numerous school-specific liturgies, priests taking time to be present to the kids, and the reinforcing effect all this had on Catholic home life.
 
Francoist Spain was a deeply Catholic country, both my parents went to schools like the ones you describe and they despise the Catholic Church as corrupt, boring and think priestly celibacy leads to child sexual abuse.
 
The decline in teaching doctrine happened after V2 not because of it. Where I live we have lots of Catholic schools but they teach little doctrine. if young men are unsure what is true false or right wrong and if they think the Church itself does not know they won’t enter seminary.
 
That’s so sad. That sort of thinking seems to assume that men will molest children if they can’t have sex, like some sort of rabinous beast. :confused:
 
I’m not saying it’s the sole cause of that horror, but I’m not a big fan of priestly celibacy either
 
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One would have to close one’s eyes not to see that the Catholic Church is suffering a grave crisis. In the 1960’s, at the time of the Second Vatican Council, there were hopes for a new springtime in the Church; exactly the opposite has come to pass. Thousands of priests have abandoned their office, and thousands of monks and religious have returned to secular life. There are very few vocations in Europe and not many in North America either; countless seminaries, convents, and religious houses have closed their doors. Many parishes lack priests, and religious congregations are obliged to abandon schools, hospitals, and homes for the aged. As Pope Paul VI lamented on June 29, 1972, “Through some crack, the smoke of Satan has entered the temple of God.”According to an article by Fabrizio de Santis in the Corriere della Sera of September 25, 1971, somewhere between 7,000 to 8,000 priests had abandoned the priesthood in Italy alone over the previous eight years. In the Church as a whole 21,320 priests were reduced to lay status between 1962 and 1972. Not included in this number are those who didn’t bother to seek official reduction to lay status.From 1967 to 1974, 30,000 to 40,000 priests abandoned their vocation. These catastrophic events can be compared with the effects of the so-called Protestant Reformation of the sixteenth century. Some comments by Cardinal Ratzinger illustrate what has happened by a single example. In the early 1960’s, Quebec was the region that counted, proportionally speaking, the most nuns in the world. “Between 1961 and 1981, because of departures, deaths, and the end of new vocations, the number of nuns fell from 46,933 to 26,294, a decline of 44 percent, and there is still no end in sight. During the same period new vocations fell by at least 98.5 percent. A large part of the remaining 1.5 percent is composed, not of young women, but of late vocations. As a result, sociologists agree on a grim but objective conclusion: “Soon (unless there is a reversal of the trend, which is wholly improbable, at least viewed humanly) women’s religious life as we have known it will be only a memory in Canada.” In America in 1960, there were 1,527 men ordained to the priesthood. In 1998, only 460 were ordained–a decline of over 1,000 per year. In France in the 1950’s there were about 1,000 priestly ordinations per year. In the 1990’s there were no more than 100 per year; the number of entries into seminaries continues to decrease. In Germany, 1996 represented a new record low of candidates for the priesthood: German seminaries and religious orders had only 232 entries; as recently as 1986 there were 727 entries. The number of religious in the world continues to decline. Does this crisis also affect the faithful? In the 1950’s, Mass attendance in America was often higher than 70 percent among Catholics; some studies show that in 2000, this number had fallen to under 30 percent. In 1958, 35 percent of the French attended Mass every Sunday; today fewer than 5 percent do so, and these are often old people. In 1950 more than 90 percent of the French were baptized as children; today fewer than 60 percent are.
 
In 1950 more than 90 percent of the French were baptized as children; today fewer than 60 percent are.
That does not mean French people were better christians in 1950. Being baptized means nothing if you don’t live a life of love and humility.
 
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I am 59 and returning to the Chuch. People like us feel locked out of the priesthood, etc., because of our age, or other non-doctrinal issues. “Get along and die in the sweet-and-by-by” comes to mind. Would I consider the priesthood if was open me? Absolutely. Would the Catholic Church consider the process of how priests were once chosen? Not so much.
 
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