Lets discuss! Absoute Truth vs Relative Truth

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PRmerger said:
Great.

So if you could answer the question (3rd time!) I posed to you, that would get us started.

Do you think that what a person decides is moral makes it moral?

That is, if a man decides that it’s the right thing to do to kill his daughter for having the audacity to be raped, this is, indeed, moral?

IOW: what is your opinion of honor killings for victims who were raped?
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That was you who claimed that one can derive Absolute Morality from Absolute Truth. Now you are giving me a list of questions.

To be honest, I am not a fan of Absolute Morality. I think everything is situational.
 
STT said:
That was you who claimed that one can derive Absolute Morality from Absolute Truth. Now you are giving me a list of questions.

To be honest, I am not a fan of Absolute Morality. I think everything is situational.
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Can you just answer the question, now posed 4 times?

Not sure why this is being avoided?

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PRmerger said:
No, STT. It’s fundamentalism ad hoc.

“I will only believe if ONE THING is provided for me, (and, BTW, it’s a thing that can never be provided)” = fundamentalism.

“I don’t believe, but give me the evidence, in whatever manner, and I will consider it” = skepticism.
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Do you have another better option? Suppose a person comes to you with tons of miracles, Satan. Do you believe that He is God?
PRmerger said:
Fair enough.

So you do believe in the supernatural?
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Yes, I do believe in supernatural.
PRmerger said:
You are very Catholic when you say this, STT. 👍
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Thank you.
 
STT said:
Do you have another better option? Suppose a person comes to you with tons of miracles, Satan. Do you believe that He is God?
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Fair enough.

Miracles are merely proof of the supernatural. True.
Yes, I do believe in supernatural.
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Excellent.

And why is that?
 
STT said:
To be honest, I am not a fan of Absolute Morality. I think everything is situational.
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Can you given an example of when it would be morally right to kill a 10 year old for being raped and “dishonoring” the family?
 
PRmerger said:
Can you just answer the question, now posed 4 times?

Not sure why this is being avoided?

:confused:
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That was you who started questioning me after I claimed that deriving morality from Absolute Truth is extremely difficult if it is not impossible. You think it is simple then show it to me. Moreover, I think I answer your questions. Everything when it comes to morality is situational, who, when, how, what etc. These are all involved and one need to think clearly to make a good moral decision.
 
STT said:
That was you who started questioning me after I claimed that deriving morality from Absolute Truth is extremely difficult if it is not impossible.
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Sure.
You think it is simple then show it to me. Moreover, I think I answer your questions. Everything when it comes to morality is situational, who, when, how, what etc. These are all involved and one need to think clearly to make a good moral decision.
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You actually didn’t answer the question.

And if you did, I apologize. But could you re-offer your answer? (And show where you answered this)?

Do you think it’s morally right for a father to kill his 10 year old daughter for being raped?
 
STT said:
If you are in a situation to save 10 lives by killing a kid.
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Ok.

Please tell us what that would look like.

A 10 year old has been raped. Her father wishes to kill her for dishonoring the family.

You can stop this but don’t because you see it as morally good because…
 
STT said:
I had experiences.
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How do you know that these are supernatural experiences and not:

-biochemical reactions
-aliens
-natural experiences which science will explain later
-some sort of high tech trickery

And how is it that you’ve had these experiences that cause you to believe in the supernatural but not God?
 
PRmerger said:
Ok.

Please tell us what that would look like.

A 10 year old has been raped. Her father wishes to kill her for dishonoring the family.

You can stop this but don’t because you see it as morally good because…
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I think like the father if I don’t stop it. Of course this is wrong according to nowaday norms.
 
PRmerger said:
How do you know that these are supernatural experiences and not:

-biochemical reactions
-aliens
-natural experiences which science will explain later
-some sort of high tech trickery
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Because my experiences were coherent. It is hard to explain this. This is off topic too so lets put it aside.
PRmerger said:
And how is it that you’ve had these experiences that cause you to believe in the supernatural but not God?
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I didn’t say that I don’t believe in God. I said it would be difficult for God to justify that It is God.
 
STT said:
I think like the father if I don’t stop it. Of course this is wrong according to nowaday norms.
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According to nowaday norms?

But if you had been the father of this 10 year old girl in, say, 1820 Pakistan, it would not have been wrong for you to kill your daughter for being raped?

Is that what you’re saying?

There was a time when this type of killing was NOT wrong?

(NB: we are not talking about whether it was “considered” wrong. But whether it actually IS wrong.

Because you seem to be conceding that, TODAY, even if this father “considers” it to be wrong, it IS wrong. Today. Am I correctly summarizing your position, STT?)
 
PRmerger said:
According to nowaday norms?

But if you had been the father of this 10 year old girl in, say, 1820 Pakistan, it would not have been wrong for you to kill your daughter for being raped?

Is that what you’re saying?

There was a time when this type of killing was NOT wrong?

(NB: we are not talking about whether it was “considered” wrong. But whether it actually IS wrong.

Because you seem to be conceding that, TODAY, even if this father “considers” it to be wrong, it IS wrong. Today. Am I correctly summarizing your position, STT?)
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I have a better way to summarize my thoughts: It is wrong to do something against your belief.
 
STT said:
I have a better way to summarize my thoughts: It is wrong to do something against your belief.
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So, again, TODAY, the father who kills his 10 year old daughter for being raped is doing the right thing?

Yes?

That is your position?

Also, as a side note: the above sounds very much like a moral absolute. “It is wrong to do something against your belief”.

So you do believe in moral absolutes then?
 
PRmerger said:
So, again, TODAY, the father who kills his 10 year old daughter for being raped is doing the right thing?

Yes?

That is your position?
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Yes.
PRmerger said:
Also, as a side note: the above sounds very much like a moral absolute. “It is wrong to do something against your belief”.

So you do believe in moral absolutes then?
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Yes, if that is what you mean with Moral Absolute. I think we can agree on that definition.
 
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