Lets hear the sniveling over this one!!

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  1. The woman is nuts.
  2. It takes months for an MRI in most countries with national health care. Canadians come to the the US for MRIs.
So she is just out of luck. Easy to say things like that when you are not in pain. In some countries it would come quickly, Swisstzerland and Austrailia come to mind. Doesn’t surprise me your side paints with a very broad brush anyways. By the way when you mentioned Canadians coming, you forgot a very important qualfier, RICH Canadians!
 
Really? How would a long wait have helped her at all? Check the lines in Canada, I’m not in favor for waiting 5 hours for a scheduled appointment.
First comparing the new system to Canada is getting old and worn out. The Swiss do very well with theirs and so do the Austrailians. 5 hour wait for an apointment is better than no appointment.
 
How does the size & population of Switzerland, Australia & Canada compare to America? Could it be the Switzerland is only the size of one of our 50 states & thats why it seems more efficient? How many doctors, specialists & equipment per citizen? It is VERY hard to compare apples to pineapples.
 
First comparing the new system to Canada is getting old and worn out. The Swiss do very well with theirs and so do the Austrailians. 5 hour wait for an apointment is better than no appointment.
:clapping: :amen:

Sniveling? Christ is more likely doing more than a few sniffles. More likely He’s :crying:

It is just a total and complete shame a country as blessed as ours can not do what Christ taught for righteousness in Matt 25:35:42, " I was hungry but you would not feed me, thirsty but you would not give me a drink;43 I was a stranger but you would not welcome me in your homes, naked but you would not clothe me; **I was sick **and in prison but you would not take care of me. (GNT) One can not truly follow Christ otherwise.

A sad commentary on us as Christians as as a nation indeed. :sad_yes:

I join Christ in tears.
 
So she is just out of luck. Easy to say things like that when you are not in pain. In some countries it would come quickly, Swisstzerland and Austrailia come to mind. Doesn’t surprise me your side paints with a very broad brush anyways. By the way when you mentioned Canadians coming, you forgot a very important qualfier, RICH Canadians!
My response would be why wasn’t this woman on medicaid? If she had a low enough income she would qualify and if her income is too high she should buy her own health insurance just like the rest of us. As a last resort she could have turned to charity.

Speaking of that, if you are that concerned why don’t you contact her and offer to pay for her medical care? Of course it’s a lot easier to say her healthcare should be paid for when it’s being paid for with someone else’s money isn’t it? 😉
 
:clapping: :amen:

Sniveling? Christ is more likely doing more than a few sniffles. More likely He’s :crying:

It is just a total and complete shame a country as blessed as ours can not do what Christ taught for righteousness in Matt 25:35:42, " I was hungry but you would not feed me, thirsty but you would not give me a drink;43 I was a stranger but you would not welcome me in your homes, naked but you would not clothe me; **I was sick **and in prison but you would not take care of me. (GNT) One can not truly follow Christ otherwise.

A sad commentary on us as Christians as as a nation indeed. :sad_yes:

I join Christ in tears.
A sad commentary? Do you know if she contacted any Christian charities? Did she contact Catholic Charities? I personally know several people who have gotten medical care from charitable organizations. It’s there if you just look for it.
 
So she is just out of luck. Easy to say things like that when you are not in pain. In some countries it would come quickly, Swisstzerland and Austrailia come to mind. Doesn’t surprise me your side paints with a very broad brush anyways. By the way when you mentioned Canadians coming, you forgot a very important qualfier, RICH Canadians!
Of course I paint with a broad brush. That’s what you do when proposing a system to cover 300 million people.

I agree the Canadians coming to the US for MRIs are rich Canadians. The rest just sit around in Canada and wait.

The woman is still nuts. I don’t trust anything she says.
 
My response would be why wasn’t this woman on medicaid? If she had a low enough income she would qualify and if her income is too high she should buy her own health insurance just like the rest of us. As a last resort she could have turned to charity.

Speaking of that, if you are that concerned why don’t you contact her and offer to pay for her medical care? Of course it’s a lot easier to say her healthcare should be paid for when it’s being paid for with someone else’s money isn’t it? 😉
:rotfl: Not everyone who has resources above the Medicaid level can afford to pay for quality affordable health insurance without ridiculously high deductibles in which the insurance is basically useless and only serves to profit the insurance industry. I’m glad you can afford yours though.

Why don’t you if you care for the sick pay for another’s healthcare too? Individuals alone can’t pay for a nation’s healthcare. But when the Church and charity have miserably failed… then we can collectively (called a government in a democracy) step up to the plate and exercise a role to make Christ’s mission a reality for all. It takes a village. Not one individual doing it all. :rolleyes:

God bless.
 
:rotfl: Not everyone who has resources above the Medicaid level can afford to pay for quality affordable health insurance without ridiculously high deductibles in which the insurance is basically useless and only serves to profit the insurance industry. I’m glad you can afford yours though.
My that was a snarky comment. How much money do you think I make working as a retail associate?
Why don’t you if you care for the sick pay for another’s healthcare too? Individuals alone can’t pay for a nation’s healthcare. But when the Church and charity have miserably failed… then we can collectively (called a government in a democracy) step up to the plate and exercise a role to make Christ’s mission a reality for all. It takes a village. Not one individual doing it all. :rolleyes:

God bless.
I’m all for giving money to charities who help people with medical care. The difference between you and me is I refuse to use the police power of government to force someone else to do it. 👍
 
My that was a snarky comment. How much money do you think I make working as a retail associate?

I’m all for giving money to charities who help people with medical care. The difference between you and me is I refuse to use the police power of government to force someone else to do it. 👍
I am sorry if I came across as snarky. CAF drags me down sometimes. I know there’s a difference between you and me. And I don’t know your politics. But if you’re like the typical conservative who opposes national healthcare, you’re probably fine with the govt policing other areas of people’s private lives. Peace.
 
So she is just out of luck. Easy to say things like that when you are not in pain. In some countries it would come quickly, Swisstzerland and Austrailia come to mind. Doesn’t surprise me your side paints with a very broad brush anyways. By the way when you mentioned Canadians coming, you forgot a very important qualfier, RICH Canadians!
So some people can get good care, others get little or no care vs. everyone gets second rate care. What makes the latter better?
 
Did anyone notice that Jesus did not address those remarks to the Roman government, but to individuals whom He was speaking to? Charity is doing, not making someone else do or making your government do it for you. Governments that become the dispersers of health care will also someday be the dispersers of car insurance, because that’s expensive too. Then what? Diapers? Food? Clothing? Housing? Electricity? Water?

You can go to respectable, credentialed think tank web sites and review their numbers. There isn’t one of the above that has a single model of “free” health care for all working. It can’t, because we don’t have the resources to pay for it, we don’t have the medical professionals to staff it, and that means we have two options:
  1. Wait longer for it, if you ever get it
  2. Find a way to limit the care.
Yesterday in the news there was a story of a Congressman who thinks it’s a great idea to put a number, a dollar figure on health care for older people. After 85 or so, that’s it, you’ve lived your life, move on.

How many Catholics with their arms tight around this system are willing to look ahead and deal with that issue RIGHT NOW? Not many. Most of them quote Jesus and say it means we need to support Obamacare. Fine, but you better be prepared for things like curtailing premature natal care because that ONE little life isn’t worth the investment. Or grandma lived a long life, it’s time to let her die, even though we could fix her bad artery, the amount of life for all that cost… well, someone in an office in Washington somewhere has stampped the form “REJECTED” so maybe you should stay close to grandma for the next few days.

I for one will not jump on a train I know is heading to a destination that will NOT respect life, no matter the immediate gain. That lady’s shoulder pain is not worth the loss of more infants at the hand of some bean-counter in D.C., or the loss of dignity and proper care for our aged. And I certainly wouldn’t let my compass for public policy be the irrational decision of a woman to shoot herself in order to get better care. I consider that like the 3 Stooges drilling more holes in a leaking boat to let the water “out.”
 
Not everyone who has resources above the Medicaid level can afford to pay for quality affordable health insurance without ridiculously high deductibles in which the insurance is basically useless and only serves to profit the insurance industry. I’m glad you can afford yours though.
  1. Why is the insurance useless?
  2. How much is a ridiculously high deductable?
  3. How do we identify the policies which only serve to profit the industry?
  4. The profit margin for the health insurance sector is 4.4%. That ranks number 87 in all sectors of the US economy.
 
Did anyone notice that Jesus did not address those remarks to the Roman government, but to individuals whom He was speaking to? Charity is doing, not making someone else do or making your government do it for you. Governments that become the dispersers of health care will also someday be the dispersers of car insurance, because that’s expensive too. Then what? Diapers? Food? Clothing? Housing? Electricity? Water?

You can go to respectable, credentialed think tank web sites and review their numbers. There isn’t one of the above that has a single model of “free” health care for all working. It can’t, because we don’t have the resources to pay for it, we don’t have the medical professionals to staff it, and that means we have two options:
  1. Wait longer for it, if you ever get it
  2. Find a way to limit the care.
Yesterday in the news there was a story of a Congressman who thinks it’s a great idea to put a number, a dollar figure on health care for older people. After 85 or so, that’s it, you’ve lived your life, move on.

How many Catholics with their arms tight around this system are willing to look ahead and deal with that issue RIGHT NOW? Not many. Most of them quote Jesus and say it means we need to support Obamacare. Fine, but you better be prepared for things like curtailing premature natal care because that ONE little life isn’t worth the investment. Or grandma lived a long life, it’s time to let her die, even though we could fix her bad artery, the amount of life for all that cost… well, someone in an office in Washington somewhere has stampped the form “REJECTED” so maybe you should stay close to grandma for the next few days.

I for one will not jump on a train I know is heading to a destination that will NOT respect life, no matter the immediate gain. That lady’s shoulder pain is not worth the loss of more infants at the hand of some bean-counter in D.C., or the loss of dignity and proper care for our aged. And I certainly wouldn’t let my compass for public policy be the irrational decision of a woman to shoot herself in order to get better care. I consider that like the 3 Stooges drilling more holes in a leaking boat to let the water “out.”
Who said render to Caesar? The tooth fairy? :rolleyes: City govts already disperse water. And govt already does much for your welfare. Money for your police and fire protection. For schools. Roads. And all sorts of things. Govt has a role whether you think so or not.

I’ll find you some resources. For a good start get out of 2 wars yrs ago.

Here we go with the scare tactcs of grandma death panels again. That’s really getting old. :rolleyes:
 
  1. Why is the insurance useless?
  2. How much is a ridiculously high deductable?
  3. How do we identify the policies which only serve to profit the industry?
  4. The profit margin for the health insurance sector is 4.4%. That ranks number 87 in all sectors of the US economy.
1 & 2 If one has a pre existing condition and can even get affordable coverage, and has to pay at least $200 - $300/mo or more but first has to pay a ridiculously high $5000 - $10,000 in deductibles before the coverage kicks in, it’s useless unless a major hospitalization and that’s assuming they can afford the first thousands of dollars in bills to begin with.
  1. the actual above policies are examples
  2. 🤷 If it was up to me they would have less profit magin. As far as I am concerned “Obamacare” did not go far enough. If not single payer at the very least we need a public option to provide greater competition. Without it all we did besides eventually eliminating pre-existing conditions, is to eventually force everyone to buy private insurance. if you’re more worried about their margins, that should help. God bless and peace.
 
1 & 2 If one has a pre existing condition and can even get affordable coverage, and has to pay at least $200 - $300/mo or more but first has to pay a ridiculously high $5000 - $10,000 in deductibles before the coverage kicks in, it’s useless unless a major hospitalization and that’s assuming they can afford the first thousands of dollars in bills to begin with.
  1. the actual above policies are examples
  2. 🤷 If it was up to me they would have less profit magin. As far as I am concerned “Obamacare” did not go far enough. If not single payer at the very least we need a public option to provide greater competition. Without it all we did besides eventually eliminating pre-existing conditions, is to eventually force everyone to buy private insurance. if you’re more worried about their margins, that should help. God bless and peace.
  1. Well, the policy you describe is is quite useful for major hospitalization. That can run to hundreds of thousands of dollars. Is that kind of care useless? Why? It’s also quite useful for any health problem in excess of $5,000. For example, a compound fracture can run over $5,000. Is fixing a compound fracture useless? Why? How about the rehabilitation treatment for a compound fracture? Useless? Why?
  2. How do you know the aggregate profitability of the policies you describe? Can you tell us how much profit the insurance company makes from these $300/mo $5k deductable policies? How do you determine it?
  3. What is the proper profit margin for a health insurance company?
  4. What is the proper reserve balance for a single payer system as a percentage of outlays?
  5. Are you aware of any single payer system that does not limit treatment? (That means ration.) Which one? Where?
 
  1. Well, the policy you describe is is quite useful for major hospitalization. That can run to hundreds of thousands of dollars. Is that kind of care useless? Why? It’s also quite useful for any health problem in excess of $5,000. For example, a compound fracture can run over $5,000. Is fixing a compound fracture useless? Why? How about the rehabilitation treatment for a compound fracture? Useless? Why?
  2. How do you know the aggregate profitability of the policies you describe? Can you tell us how much profit the insurance company makes from these $300/mo $5k deductable policies? How do you determine it?
  3. What is the proper profit margin for a health insurance company?
  4. What is the proper reserve balance for a single payer system as a percentage of outlays?
  5. Are you aware of any single payer system that does not limit treatment? (That means ration.) Which one? Where?
As I said for major hospitalizations assuming the person can afford the deductible and premiums.

If a person has no major hospitalization and simply uses it for routine preventive care dr visits and never reach bills exceeding the high deductible then their premiums are total profit for the insurance company as the compnay would have paid nothing towards the person’s bills. Every cent plus premiums would have come out of the person’s pocket.

As little as possible.

What I am aware of is how our private system rations care. People limited and denied under our private system. Of people having to choose between paying for food for their children and their own medications. Of people dying under our system due to unaffordable adequate care.

God bless you. Peace and good night.
 
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