Lets hear the sniveling over this one!!

[CMatt25]

Politicians are elected representatives of the government. The government is the voice of the people in action.

Deciding how your money is going to be spend, directly impacts people. If you elect a government that will see your tax dollars spend caring for the sick…you are directly responsible for the sick being cared for.

:clapping: Our elected representatives are elected here in the states too by people voting on Election Day. You do that in Canada too?

 

[exoflare]

Well I hope you all are having a fun time banging your heads against a brick wall. (trying to reason with leftists) Instead it might be better to find something to do with your time that actually has some chance of being productive. Conversely, I address this advice to you knowing that you will take it into consideration, not being as obstinate or intellectually dishonest with yourselves as the leftists choose to remain.

over and out

 

[CMatt25]

Well, if you are afraid you have a serious disease and want to keep surviving, consider that a typical doctor checkup costs $90. (That’s what my very good private physician charges.) Which is more important? Internet or your health? What did the computer cost? Been to a restaurant? Bought anyone a present? Give money to the church?

$90 and then pray the dr finds nothing wrong. The one time computer cost was less than just one month’s premium on a policy with a $5000 deductible. Dinner tonight cost me about one day’s worth of insurance with the same $5000 deductible. I could just starve though and then I wouldn’t need health care or need to worry about death panels. I’m cheap on presents and have to cut back on the Church due to other expenses like potential upcoming health care.

 

[Zatzat]

Well I hope you all are having a fun time banging your heads against a brick wall. (trying to reason with leftists) Instead it might be better to find something to do with your time that actually has some chance of being productive. Conversely, I address this advice to you knowing that you will take it into consideration, not being as obstinate or intellectually dishonest with yourselves as the leftists choose to remain.

over and out

Remove the word ’ leftist’ and insert ’ the far right’.

 

[CMatt25]

Or if she’s lucky enough to immigrate to Canada…the Atheist that I am and tens of millions of other Canadians will happily pay for her health care needs.

It’s simple: it’s my personal responsibility to help others.

Isn’t it amazing an atheist can follow Christ’s teachings better than some Christians?

 

[tjm190]

A The Federal Reserve
B Gold defines the value of the Dollar. Without backing, money can me manipulated any way the shadow governement so decides. When the Roman Emprire went to a fiat currency it’s value went into the toilet. Gold or silver works as a stablizer.
C Ill have to look for a copy of the constitution, but it specifies that money is to be minted by the treasury and even has a weight of gold speciefied to difine what amount of gold makes a dollar.
With our currency floating it is whatever value the Rockefellers and Rothschilds decide they want it to be. But that kind of manipulation can’t last forever. You might as well enjoy the money while you can, there is coming a day where our dollar will be so worthless that it be worth even less than the Mark of the old Weimar Republic.

A- The Fed does not distribute profits, although it does save excess funds to use at later date. Secondly, it does not print money.
B- Ya, by raising and lowering interest rates to control inflation. God forbid.
C- Good luck with that. The US didn’t even have a single currency at the time the constitution was written.

 

[aspawloski4th]

Well I hope you all are having a fun time banging your heads against a brick wall. (trying to reason with leftists) Instead it might be better to find something to do with your time that actually has some chance of being productive. Conversely, I address this advice to you knowing that you will take it into consideration, not being as obstinate or intellectually dishonest with yourselves as the leftists choose to remain.

over and out

Actually Im a centrist, on both the left right and libartarian populist scales. I’m not caught up in right vs left, whats important is right vs wrong. People becoming homeless because they became ill is unarguably wrong.

 

[aspawloski4th]

A- The Fed does not distribute profits, although it does save excess funds to use at later date. Secondly, it does not print money.
B- Ya, by raising and lowering interest rates to control inflation. God forbid.
C- Good luck with that. The US didn’t even have a single currency at the time the constitution was written.

When the Fed buys a bond the money to pay for it is created on the computer screen! thats even worse than printed out of thin air.

 

[tjm190]

When the Fed buys a bond the money to pay for it is created on the computer screen! thats even worse than printed out of thin air.

No… the Fed has this money already. Ya know those profits you were just talking about?

 

[CMatt25]

It’s all about what kind of a society you want to live in.

Sometimes I think some on CAF want to live in a Catholic theocracy. Respect Christ they say. Vote life. But they forget life does not end at birth. And while respecting Christ they appear to overlook what Christ said in Matt 25:35-46.

 

[aspawloski4th]

No… the Fed has this money already. Ya know those profits you were just talking about?

Wrong! Then Father Nicholas Gruner is a liar by what you are saying. He had a whole epesode of Fatima the Moments has Come on the fed. Ill turst him over you or anyone here any day.

 

[tjm190]

Wrong! Then Father Nicholas Gruner is a liar by what you are saying. He had a whole epesode of Fatima the Moments has Come on the fed. Ill turst him over you or anyone here any day.

He’s simply wrong. Sorry. The fed buys bonds to increase the money supply, sells bonds to decrease the money supply. Generally, it does so at a profit.
federalreserve.gov/releases/h41/Current/

There’s their balance sheet- they don’t poof money into existence.

 

[Rachel_1]

I read a few of the replies here and I can see both sides kind of. I think that yea, she probably could have found some help somewhere had she looked, of course I’m not in her area so I’m not sure what help is around there.
Being that I’m kind of in her position (no insurance, pre existing med condition etc) I can understand how expensive medical care is. I mean, I have to pay $100 every appt with my dr, that’s just the appt, if she wants tests then that’s even more.
In all honesty, in the last 6 months I’ve had issues with both my hip and shoulder being dislocated (workout injury)… what did I do? I toughed it out. Luckily I wrecked my husband’s bike and got thrown from the bike which popped them back in (yea, weird luck eh? lol). I would NEVER think of shooting myself in order to get a medical condition taken care of… I’ve had the chronic pain and after a couple of weeks you kind of get used to it (at least I did).

 

[Rachel_1]

Wow ok, so I just read the responses on page 1… on the last page (where my previous comment showed up) It seems that an entirely different conversation is going on, and now, I feel my comment is rather out of place.

 

[CMatt25]

I have medicare, have had it for nearly a decade. It has served me very well and I believe that if every resident of our country was on medicare they would be much better off than they are now.

:clapping: It is funny how Americans love Medicare. These same folk opposing Medicare for all will like it too.

 

[aspawloski4th]

He’s simply wrong. Sorry. The fed buys bonds to increase the money supply, sells bonds to decrease the money supply. Generally, it does so at a profit.
federalreserve.gov/releases/h41/Current/

There’s their balance sheet- they don’t poof money into existence.

Thats what they want you to believe. You bought the shadow governement’s speil hook line and sinker. I don’t buy it. In 1963 Press Kennedy had 5 dollar treasury note printed, as a beginning of weaning us off the the Fed. It was planned they were goig to soon be backed by gold, along with the minting of other denominations in the near future to that time. Funny thing, Kennedy was soon assasanated, and on the plane to his inauguaration minutes before he was officially president, Lynden Bains Johnson signed the exectutive order to stop printing those 5 dollar bills and cease the whole operation with it. I trust the Fed about as much as I trust Satan.

 

[Black_Rose]

I read a few of the replies here and I can see both sides kind of. I think that yea, she probably could have found some help somewhere had she looked, of course I’m not in her area so I’m not sure what help is around there.
Being that I’m kind of in her position (no insurance, pre existing med condition etc) I can understand how expensive medical care is. I mean, I have to pay $100 every appt with my dr, that’s just the appt, if she wants tests then that’s even more.
In all honesty, in the last 6 months I’ve had issues with both my hip and shoulder being dislocated (workout injury)… what did I do? I toughed it out. Luckily I wrecked my husband’s bike and got thrown from the bike which popped them back in (yea, weird luck eh? lol).

I intend mimic the insensitive tone of other people who posted in this thread in this post.

After posting that, do you want to be greeted with lecture regarding your “personal responsibility” to defray for your own health care and how it is not the collective responsibility of society (and wealthy people) and how you should live in abject poverty with no Internet connection or computer (or any other appliance) before you should receive assistance.

 

[vera_dicere]

The question is how would she have done in a private system. Of course, if she is wealthy, then should would have access to an MRI, but what if she was poor? Would she still have the same fate in that scenario?

Private it very expensive down here. Health insurance is kind of a new thing in NZL, probably only been around 10 - 15 years in the public domain.

I know that to see a neurologist privatey, its $150 for about half an hour and that was back in the mid 90s.

The problem with the NZL system is that the previous left wing govt. built up a lot of red tape. Money was going into teh health system, but it was going on managers and non-clinical services.

Mind you, you can get all the abortions you want down here on the tax payers’ tab, hell, if you’re too far along that we can’t provide the second and third trimester abortion you want, the govt. will pay for you and up to four support persons to go across to Ausssie to have it done there. Will even put you up in a swanky hotel with spending money!! A first trimester abortion down here is about $1500ish. We have 18,000 approx. abortions a year. The govt pays for free contraception, in fact, the Ministry of Health has jsut approved a new long term contraceptive implant which costs $380.

Yet, all the while, if you have serious allergies, requiring an epi-pen, you can go get stuffed, and an epi-pen is about $250.

Its all about priorities. What kind of “health services” are important to the govt? We all know what Obama thinks about abortion…

 

[CMatt25]

People decide what sort of society they live in with every dollar they spend, save, or give. If a movement has enough support, it will gain traction. If not, then it doesn’t deserve to happen.

Well at least you’re factoring in the special interest big money given to the Joe Liebermans of the world to block a movement.

 

[tjm190]

Thats what they want you to believe. You bought the shadow governement’s speil hook line and sinker. I don’t buy it. In 1963 Press Kennedy had 5 dollar treasury note printed, as a beginning of weaning us off the the Fed. It was planned they were goig to soon be backed by gold, along with the minting of other denominations in the near future to that time. Funny thing, Kennedy was soon assasanated, and on the plane to his inauguaration minutes before he was officially president, Lynden Bains Johnson signed the exectutive order to stop printing those 5 dollar bills and cease the whole operation with it. I trust the Fed about as much as I trust Satan.

no… I just know more than a few people who work for the Fed and have spent more than a little time studying it. They BUY and SELL things. They do not create money out of thin air. You don’t get past the 100 level of economics without knowing how the Fed works.

The Fed’s work may be complicated, but it isn’t secret. You’ve bought into an insane conspiracy theory with ZERO connection to reality.

mcadams.posc.mu.edu/weberman/jfk.htm