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FaithRuir
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I think you misunderstood me. Since God is ever-loving and perfect, I’d just follow world building how He would.
Let's perform a thought experiment: "Create a world of your own"
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Bradskii
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As described in the bible. You said you were going to use it as instructions. Presumably the world is exactly as God designed it. Could it be a world which He didn’t want?
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FaithRuir
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I think you’re overthinking my posts.
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whatistrue
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That’s a value judgment that I am not prepared to make or endorse. Sorry, but with my limited knowledge I cannot definitively state that no predation > predation as a general rule.
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Bradskii
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Either that or the reverse is true.
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Bradskii
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So before the fall wasn’t any better or worse than after?Bradskii:
That’s a value judgment that I am not prepared to make or endorse. Sorry, but with my limited knowledge I cannot definitively state that no predation > predation as a general rule.
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whatistrue
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I do not necessarily subscribe to the notion that before the fall = no predation.
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Bradskii
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OK. So there was fear and agony and death before the fall.Bradskii:
I do not necessarily subscribe to the notion that before the fall = no predation.
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whatistrue
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I can’t say - I wasn’t there.
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Bradskii
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Me neither. So let’s just say that you have no idea if there was death and agony before the fall. Because you weren’t there.
As an aside, were there any other other times that are talked about in the bible when you ‘weren’t there’ that you cannot be sure about?
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whatistrue
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That would be telling…
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woolycaterpillar
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Carnivores did not eat meat originally. If I could be in charge for a while, I would love all the animals and none of them would be carnivores. Neither would the other creatures.
I am sure God loves His creatures more than I could, but I wouldn’t like to have His knowledge about what goes on in the world. He sees everything, no matter how good or cruel. All I have to do is get my mail and find news about cruelty to animals or turn on the news and hear about the shootings or child abuse, and I just collapse in on my core like a dying star. (Yes, that happens. Astronomy 101.)
I am sure God loves His creatures more than I could, but I wouldn’t like to have His knowledge about what goes on in the world. He sees everything, no matter how good or cruel. All I have to do is get my mail and find news about cruelty to animals or turn on the news and hear about the shootings or child abuse, and I just collapse in on my core like a dying star. (Yes, that happens. Astronomy 101.)
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StephieNorthCo
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This theme overall has been proposed in Science Fiction many times.
One particularly, in my opinion, fascinating take on creating your own universe is Ted Sturgeon’s “Microcosmic God”.
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One particularly, in my opinion, fascinating take on creating your own universe is Ted Sturgeon’s “Microcosmic God”.
Microcosmic God - Wikipedia
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snarflemike
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Dying over many weeks from starvation or disease, vs. being killed in a few seconds. Of course it’s a serious question, don’t be so dismissive.
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Bradskii
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That’s what generally happens when you asked a question. So what is the answer?
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Bradskii
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You should check the etymology of the word.
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IWantGod
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I would just create a black-hole that just keeps getting bigger and bigger. But here’s the hitch, only the black-hole exists, and the creator does not.
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Bradskii
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It isn’t either/or. We are ADDING death by being torn apart alive. Hands up all those who think it’s a good idea…Bradskii:
Dying over many weeks from starvation or disease, vs. being killed in a few seconds. Of course it’s a serious question, don’t be so dismissive.
There you go. Nobody does.
And by the way, I’m omnipotent. There’s food for all. Nobody starves. Unless you again want to suggest that an omnipotent being couldn’t prevent starvation?
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IWantGod
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So really this is a debate about natural suffering?
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Bradskii
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No. Just making a world that we think would be suitable. It has many aspects to it. This is just one.Bradskii:
So really this is a debate about natural suffering?
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