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Got another one for you. Realize that I do know better than to take one verse from the Bible and try to make it into a profound statement, but I read this: Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ (Colossians 2:8). Is this contradictory to RCC teachings?
 
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Got another one for you. Realize that I do know better than to take one verse from the Bible and try to make it into a profound statement, but I read this: Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ (Colossians 2:8). Is this contradictory to RCC teachings?
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No our Traditions are from God through His Church.
 
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aksmoot:
Got another one for you. Realize that I do know better than to take one verse from the Bible and try to make it into a profound statement, but I read this: Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ (Colossians 2:8). Is this contradictory to RCC teachings?
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No. Paul is referring to the Judaizers who were telling people they had to keep the kosher laws of the OT in order to be joined to Christ.

What the Catholic Church means when it refers to Sacred Tradition is what Paul is talking about in these verses:

1Cor.11:2 I commend you because you remember me in everything and maintain the traditions even as I have delivered them to you.

2Thes.2:15 So then, brethren, stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by letter.

2Thes.3:6 Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you keep away from any brother who is living in idleness and not in accord with the tradition that you received from us.

Paul was referring to the oral teachings of the Apostles, himself included. The Bible is a large part of Sacred Tradition, but it was non-existant, as far as the NT is concerned, until the 4th Century. The Church Jesus established isn’t based on a book, but on the Apostles. Jesus gave his teachings to them and they passed on their teachings, orally and in written form to their successors. The Bible was compiled mainly for use in the liturgies of the Church–so everyone would be using the same books. A very good book whose text is online is: Where We Got the Bible: Our Debt to the Catholic Church. Don’t let the title put you off. It’s very charitable towards Protestants, and it’s simple to read and understand.
 
The Early Church Fathers wrote about all this stuff. I’m not sure if you can find something by an internet search. In the past I’ve seen software that suppose to have all their writings together. But, last time I saw it, it was $200.😦
 
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Can that be proven? I assume it can, but how?
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Since you’re using it as an authority to try and challenge the Catholic faith, you should probably first tell us how you know that each and every book that you have in your Bible is the inspired Word of God. (But remember, you can’t appeal to any tradition outside of the Bible.)
 
aksmoot said:
Got another one for you. Realize that I do know better than to take one verse from the Bible and try to make it into a profound statement, but I read this: Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ (Colossians 2:8). Is this contradictory to RCC teachings?
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Interesting that you picked this quote. I am using this for one of my scripture passages for my witness at my Christ Renews His Parish weekend. This is a passage I use to described how a Pentecostal movement and minister lured my Grandfather, Grandmother and Uncle from the church. I believe that some Protestant religions are very truthful, but not 100% truthful. The Pentecostal movement and its minister that lured my dad’s immediate family away from the Church used vain deceit as described in the passage above. There are people who intentionally deceive others out of the Church mainly because they are jealous. I use jealous in a loose term. I seen a program with Mother Angelica on EWTN this morning about jealousy and it got me thinking about that. Pardon me that don’t know the name of the progam I think it was her old program from the 80s Mother Angelica Live. I have only had EWTN on my cable network for 2 days, but periodically watched programs via Internet. Also Colossians 2:18 is a similar verse to 2:8.
"Let no man seduce you, willing in humility and religion of angels, walking in the things which he hath not seen., in vain puffed up by the sense of his flesh.
These aren’t contradictory to the Catholic faith, but we can certainly relate to them for those who try to sway us from the Church under false pretenses like the Pentecostal movement
 
Christy_Beth said:
The Early Church Fathers wrote about all this stuff. I’m not sure if you can find something by an internet search. In the past I’ve seen software that suppose to have all their writings together. But, last time I saw it, it was $200.😦
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‘Logos’ software has it. It tops $200 these days
 
Della said:
No. Paul is referring to the Judaizers who were telling people they had to keep the kosher laws of the OT in order to be joined to Christ.

What the Catholic Church means when it refers to Sacred Tradition is what Paul is talking about in these verses:

1Cor.11:2 I commend you because you remember me in everything and maintain the traditions even as I have delivered them to you.

2Thes.2:15 So then, brethren, stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by letter.

2Thes.3:6 Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you keep away from any brother who is living in idleness and not in accord with the tradition that you received from us.

Paul was referring to the oral teachings of the Apostles, himself included. The Bible is a large part of Sacred Tradition, but it was non-existant, as far as the NT is concerned, until the 4th Century. The Church Jesus established isn’t based on a book, but on the Apostles. Jesus gave his teachings to them and they passed on their teachings, orally and in written form to their successors. The Bible was compiled mainly for use in the liturgies of the Church–so everyone would be using the same books. A very good book whose text is online is: Where We Got the Bible: Our Debt to the Catholic Church. Don’t let the title put you off. It’s very charitable towards Protestants, and it’s simple to read and understand.
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aksmoot said:
Got another one for you. Realize that I do know better than to take one verse from the Bible and try to make it into a profound statement, but I read this: Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ (Colossians 2:8). Is this contradictory to RCC teachings?
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Haydock Commentary:

Ver. 8. Lest any man impose upon you.[2] In the Greek, make a prey of you, as thieves that steal things. — There were two sorts of false teachers among them; they who mixed vain errors from heathen philosophy with the principles of the Christian religion, and they who had been Jews, and were for making them retain those rites and customs which the Jews had among them, and were only from their private human traditions. (Witham) This alludes to the traditions and observances which the Pharisees had added to the law of Moses, and which Christ had blamed; but which these false apostles wished to introduce amongst the Colossians. The ceremonial laws were the elementary instructions given by God to the world, but we are to attach ourselves to the doctrines of Jesus Christ, from whom alone we expect light and justice, and sanctity. (Bible de Vence) — According to the rudiments of the world: by which some expound vain fallacies and false maxims of the first kind of teachers; others the Jewish ceremonies, which are called weak and poor elements, or rudiments. (Galatians iv. 9.) This is neither to condemn in general the use of philosophy, which St. Augustine commends, and made use of, nor all traditions delivered by the apostles. See 1 Corinthians xi. and 2. Thessalonians ii. 14. (Witham)
 
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