Lets talk about acts 20 ; 35 and see what it is saying

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acts 20;35 and to remember the words of the Lord Jesus, how he said, It is more blessed to give than to receive.
I can not find this any place in the bible that OUR LORD said this so is this what some call oral tradition.
 
Jesus is never recorded as having said those words in the gospels.

This is a case of the writer recording oral tradition.
Given that Luke wrote the book of Acts I don’t think it has anything to do with oral tradition. He’s stating that Christ said these words. Why Luke chose to include it here vs in his Gospel is something we cannot answer.
 
Given that Luke wrote the book of Acts I don’t think it has anything to do with oral tradition. He’s stating that Christ said these words. Why Luke chose to include it here vs in his Gospel is something we cannot answer.
Who said Jesus said it?
 
Who said Jesus said it?
Ralph as stated Luke is the writer of the Book of Acts. In Acts 20:35 Luke records the following:

35 In all things I have shown you that by working hard in this way we must help the weak and remember the words of the Lord Jesus, how he himself said, ‘It is more blessed to give than to receive.’”

It’s quite plain that Luke is telling us Jesus Himself said these words. Or to be more specific Luke is recording Paul as saying Jesus said these words.
 
Ralph as stated Luke is the writer of the Book of Acts. In Acts 20:35 Luke records the following:

35 In all things I have shown you that by working hard in this way we must help the weak and remember the words of the Lord Jesus, how he himself said, ‘It is more blessed to give than to receive.’”

It’s quite plain that Luke is telling us Jesus Himself said these words.
Was it really that easy to miss that when this was brought up?
 
Given that Luke wrote the book of Acts I don’t think it has anything to do with oral tradition. He’s stating that Christ said these words. Why Luke chose to include it here vs in his Gospel is something we cannot answer.
does it make a diff if it was in the Gospel it is still oral tradition
 
Ralph as stated Luke is the writer of the Book of Acts. In Acts 20:35 Luke records the following:

35 In all things I have shown you that by working hard in this way we must help the weak and remember the words of the Lord Jesus, how he himself said, ‘It is more blessed to give than to receive.’”

It’s quite plain that Luke is telling us Jesus Himself said these words. Or to be more specific Luke is recording Paul as saying Jesus said these words.
The person making the statement in Acts is Paul.

Paul was speaking sacred tradition, not scripture.

It’s not that complicated.
 
Ralph as stated Luke is the writer of the Book of Acts. In Acts 20:35 Luke records the following:

35 In all things I have shown you that by working hard in this way we must help the weak and remember the words of the Lord Jesus, how he himself said, ‘It is more blessed to give than to receive.’”

It’s quite plain that Luke is telling us Jesus Himself said these words. Or to be more specific Luke is recording Paul as saying Jesus said these words.
Exactly. Luke is saying that Paul said that Jesus said it. Now, as to why that particular statement is not in the Gospels, I have no idea. The fact is that Paul said something and he attributed to Jesus. There is no issue with it as John said in his Gospel that everything Jesus said or did was not recorded. However, Paul could not have learned it from Jesus, nor was he there when Jesus said it.
 
does it make a diff if it was in the Gospel it is still oral tradition
Bill I’m not saying it makes a difference. I’m simply stating that Paul tells us these are the words of Christ. What’s the point of your question then???
 
Exactly. Luke is saying that Paul said that Jesus said it. Now, as to why that particular statement is not in the Gospels, I have no idea. The fact is that Paul said something and he attributed to Jesus. There is no issue with it as John said in his Gospel that everything Jesus said or did was not recorded. However, Paul could not have learned it from Jesus, nor was he there when Jesus said it.
But Luke says plainly that it came out of Christ’s mouth. How else would Luke have known that?
 
This is almost like a bad movie. It is recorded in the Bible it is scripture. Of course Luke is using oral tradition; so did Mark. They were not eyewitnesses. No one denies that. The phrase is in scripture by the same person who wrote Luke.
 
The person making the statement in Acts is Paul.

Paul was speaking sacred tradition, not scripture.

It’s not that complicated.
Paul was speaking the words of Christ not sacred tradition. Again I don’t understand the point here. You’re implying that since scripture doesn’t actually record Christ as saying these words, it’s not considered scripture if Paul tells us that Christ stated these words.
 
Bill I’m not saying it makes a difference. I’m simply stating that Paul tells us these are the words of Christ. What’s the point of your question then???
It’s a clear example of oral tradition among the apostles.

If Luke had not written these words of Paul would they be less true?

If Clement, Ignatius, Polycarp,(each of whom personally knew apostles) and other apostolic successors agree on the words of the apostles, do you think it is wise to ignore them?
 
Exactly. Luke is saying that Paul said that Jesus said it. Now, as to why that particular statement is not in the Gospels, I have no idea. The fact is that Paul said something and he attributed to Jesus. There is no issue with it as John said in his Gospel that everything Jesus said or did was not recorded. However, Paul could not have learned it from Jesus, nor was he there when Jesus said it.
Ralph I think you are mistaken here brother. Paul had a series of revelations from Christ. How do you know Christ did not reveal this to him??
 
Paul was speaking the words of Christ not sacred tradition. Again I don’t understand the point here. You’re implying that since scripture doesn’t actually record Christ as saying these words, it’s not considered scripture if Paul tells us that Christ stated these words.
When Paul spoke those words there was no new testament scripture(other than a few of Paul’s letters).
 
Only the most irrational person would say that there was no oral tradition in the early Church. Paul was taught this phrase by the Apostles, and he used it when he saw the need. Luke, who had not been told the context of it, had no prior notation for it.

The question should not be if there was no oral tradition or what its importance was: there was no NT writings to pull from, so it was primary. The question should be when and why Oral Tradition is no longer valid.
 
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