Let's talk about Entity "Nation"

[AndyF]

So OK, we’ve beaten man into submission with words and threats of hell, commented on his inability to control one conscience, his own, and told him what a nasty entity he is.

From the perspective of an entity form among entity forms, I find it curious the imbalance of teaching the Church orients to one has opposed to the other, especially when all we see by experience is a nonchalant attitude to it’s life’s processes. From the consensus I receive in my surrounds I think I am correct in saying that Catholics hold their nation almost at par in respect to infallibility with God in worth.

First a few norms. I believe has a Catholic that all entities that can offend and please God are subject to him. They don’t hold a throne next to him, they are created servants
just has all entities are. This entity is a collective, a body of members either through coercion (which certainly mitigates their individual cases), or by democratic processes. It agrees to formation has a unit, to be responsible to it’s collective actions, invokes God’s blessing, pleads for mercy and forgiveness and functions theoretically for the better of all individuals, this endeavor to effect a common good. It is subject to fault all the same, or if some patriots would prefer the placebic … error.

The entity has a collective conscience and intellect, but not a soul, so we can rightfully presume in this case that more is/should produce a better success rate has to fending off sin.

The measure of culpability of it’s errors should also increase proportional to the number of consciences it has, since conscience is a good from God, and God has proven in the past to proportion good in measure. A sin classified has intrinsically mortal by an entity so blessed should bear on it’s shoulders a proportional responsibility. Therefore if Tom sins mortally and has only a singular conscience, by getting it wrong dies warranting damnation, all factors remaining equal, nation BestPeople should warrant a proportionately higher sentence in proportion to the blessings of plural consciences.

This impacts on vision also. It forms a lesson for the Faith of individuals. A one sided Church that refuses to aggressively view nations has Pahrasees in our time, remaining politically correct, serves no one and should step aside. The conclusion and reality is that it is impossible for millions of consciences to get it right all the time, AND,* avoid collective damnation* (I’m assuming an unbiased and a singular standard). If a collective can never warrant damnation, then neither do entities with singular consciences. In fact, such a valid argument I feel mitigates the human experience in priori to ever existing.

In conclusion I feel last judgments, if not the microsecond expedition that we are told it is (this could even explain it), would elicit some very creative defense strategies, and I would even say would be true winners in a conceptual cosmic justice overseeing. So I say count me in as a child on the precipous looking in onto the miserable. I wasn’t in the group of course that eventful day, but if I were, the first words I would say are…

“Where are the damned nations”

AndyF

 

[Barbkw]

So OK, we’ve beaten man into submission with words and threats of hell, commented on his inability to control one conscience, his own, and told him what a nasty entity he is.

Is this another one of those well hidden masturbation posts?

 

[GratefulFred]

I don’t know if a put down is appropriate. But I found it hard to follow the reasoning for the supposition. So perhaps I misunderstand, but I will comment anyway.

Entities - families, interest groups, businesses, governments, and international organizations, etc. are made up of individuals. Each individual is subject to God’s Judgment whether they recognize that are not.

If we are leaders of entities, we are still subject to God’s Judgment and thus must act accordingly in our office. If we are members of an entity and can vote we should vote our moral conscience. If we can affect rthe entity’s decisions in any way, we are obligated to work for moral justice in all it efforts.

The Church’s role is to teach individuals about our proper relationship with God. Then as well taught individuals we act accordingly in the entities to which we belong.

Come Judgment Day, it is individuals, not entities, that will be judged and admitted into Heaven or sent to Hell.

 

[AndyF]

GratefulFred:

The collective form has effects on other entities regardless on how the constituent parts voted on an issue, and a special responsibility comes with the liberty. Responsibility is keyed with justice, so we should expect to see a special justice reserved for it. The civil body is simply an arm of the individual, so the action/inaction proceeds from the individual.

The individual is mandated to prevent evil and knows this and is forewarned. If the potential exists for an entity to sin greviously, then he needs to distance himself from it. The issue is addressed immediately on the choices of which entities to associate with (Sirach). The good the other party offers is to be avoided, since it is tainted by the evil he wollows in. (dogma). If the entity later actions an evil after a string of good, then it’s formation proves it served the means to the end it now actions, and the individual knew associating with it was wrong, then we should see the individual meeting his fate along with the entity.

The common good for this sentence would serve to show that entities that form collectives for the purpose of facilitating evil will also be punished. (bet it only needs to be exampled once too. ) The choice was made on union, basking in the benefits a sinning entity is able to provide will not mitigate the complacency.

So then the question I feel is a valid one. I for one am comforted that an obstinate unforgiven collective that sins mortally in front of God will meet it’s end just has individuals do, and I would venture to say, so would you. No loopholes in God’s world I am told.

The Church’s role is to teach individuals about our proper relationship with God. Then as well taught individuals we act accordingly in the entities to which we belong.

Teacher of nations as well, see encyclical MATER ET MAGISTRA. If there is nothing to save, there is no necessity to teach, since it’s actions can never be critiqued. The need for a teacher of nations would be redundant. Therefore the potential for sinning collectives are a reality.

Come Judgment Day, it is individuals, not entities, that will be judged and admitted into Heaven or sent to Hell.

I don’t take issue with judgement of individuals, but I have, and is expected, that I have a vested interest in how the law maker interacts with other entities in his domain. It is commonly believed by most that justice rightfully belongs to those it encompasses, and it’s administration is being seen to be working as it should.

AndyF