Let's talk Church History

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Can non-Catholics trace back their history? What is the history of your church around the time of Jesus, since He started the church. Catholicism has been there for 2,000 years when Jesus uttered the words “Peter, upon this Rock…”, so where does the history start in your church?
 
Consider the question you asked. On purpose to be inflammatory. No other reason.
 
It is a legitimate question that you should be able to answer…or can you?
 
give our brothers and sisters time to respond thoughtfully.its been less then 1 hour
 
I’ll see you, and raise you several thousand years: ‘What on earth are you going on about, Glonk? Why should we worship the big yellow fireball in the sky anyway?’
 
There is one Church, the Christian Church. It started as one and was referred to as Catholic. Error entered the Church and disagreements arose. Unity was soon lost as groups left or were ejected from the original Church. The Christian Church was no longer found in one organization. The largest part of the Church retained the name Catholic. But the fragments were also part of the actual universal Church. These fragments have continued until today in such forms as the Assyrian Church of the East, the Armenian Apostolic Church, the Coptic Church and various other groups that were thought to be monophysite. As such the claim of unity until the Great Schism is not accurate.

In 1054, the Great Schism resulted in the Catholic Church splitting again. One portion retained the name Catholic Church for itself while the other became the Orthodox. Both of these and the earlier fragments then made up the Christian Church.

Error continued to occur and opposition arose to it through such groups as the Waldenes, the Lollards and the Hussites. Eventually during the Reformation dissent erupted into further fractures in the Church as groups left or were expelled as a result of trying to correct the errors they perceived. As such there were many groups forming the Christian Church. The largest of these groups continued to claim the name Catholic.

All the groups contain parts of the true universal Christian Church. Splits do not deprive the parts of the heritage and history that they shared until the split.

Today we see the Christian Church fragmented into many parts, each of which is part of the Church started by Jesus in the beginning.

Various parts of the Church feel that they are incapable of error and that they are the only “true” church. The claim of infallibility is perhaps the greatest error in the Church and prevents the reunification of the one Christian Church into one organization.
 
SyCarl said:
There is one Church, the Christian Church. It started as one and was referred to as Catholic. Error entered the Church and disagreements arose. Unity was soon lost as groups left or were ejected from the original Church. The Christian Church was no longer found in one organization. The largest part of the Church retained the name Catholic. But the fragments were also part of the actual universal Church. These fragments have continued until today in such forms as the Assyrian Church of the East, the Armenian Apostolic Church, the Coptic Church and various other groups that were thought to be monophysite. As such the claim of unity until the Great Schism is not accurate.

In 1054, the Great Schism resulted in the Catholic Church splitting again. One portion retained the name Catholic Church for itself while the other became the Orthodox. Both of these and the earlier fragments then made up the Christian Church.

Error continued to occur and opposition arose to it through such groups as the Waldenes, the Lollards and the Hussites. Eventually during the Reformation dissent erupted into further fractures in the Church as groups left or were expelled as a result of trying to correct the errors they perceived. As such there were many groups forming the Christian Church. The largest of these groups continued to claim the name Catholic.

All the groups contain parts of the true universal Christian Church. Splits do not deprive the parts of the heritage and history that they shared until the split.

Today we see the Christian Church fragmented into many parts, each of which is part of the Church started by Jesus in the beginning.

Various parts of the Church feel that they are incapable of error and that they are the only “true” church. The claim of infallibility is perhaps the greatest error in the Church and prevents the reunification of the one Christian Church into one organization.
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Jesus would NEVER start “different” churches. He would never start 30,000 denominations with contradictory beliefs. There is only ONE church…One Catholic, Holy and Apostolic. the Catholic church.
 
Righteousone said:
Jesus would NEVER start “different” churches. He would never start 30,000 denominations with contradictory beliefs. There is only ONE church…One Catholic, Holy and Apostolic. the Catholic church.
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I did not claim that Jesus started more than one Church and that one Church still exists today. However it is split over a number of churches that make up the true invisible body of Christ. I know Catholics do not believe that concept but that is not something I can correct.

Jesus did not start the multitude of churches that exist today. That was the result of human involvement in the Church.
 
Righteousone said:
Jesus would NEVER start “different” churches. He would never start 30,000 denominations with contradictory beliefs. There is only ONE church…One Catholic, Holy and Apostolic. the Catholic church.
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I notice you did not interact at all with the text, which was a very concise summary of Christian history, although with recent, last 100 years, one can seriously question whether the Paulicians would also fit well into that history and other groups as well.
It is a recent interest of mine to examine many of the groups termed heretical by their opponents.
They have been called dualistic but recent research, like I said, calls that into serious question.
But the central differences are those areas outside of scripture that still divide us.
 
SyCarl said:
Unity was soon lost as groups left or were ejected from the original Church. The Christian Church was no longer found in one organization.

From the beginning, the apostles in union with Peter, then the bishops in union with the pope were led by the Holy Spirit to teach truth (true doctrine). This was the promise of Jesus.

The ‘church’ has to visibly exist somewhere because Jesus said it is like a city on a mountaintop which can’t be hidden. It can’t only be invisible.

It was our own sinfulness and the work of the evil one that caused the unity to be broken. When two preachers teach opposite “truths” any logical person knows that one of them is in error.

Only in one sense is there an invisible church. All those who are baptized into Christ receive the Holy Spirit and are sons of the Father and the Spirit works in all our lives. But, since different churches focus only on certain truths or teach opposing ‘truths’, some Christians believe some errors (but not knowingly) or they don’t have all the truth they could have. This is different from saying all groups contain part of the true universal Christian Church.

As a Catholic, I absolutely believe that when I receive communion I receive Jesus himself because the Catholic church has passed this power from bishop to bishop from the time of the apostles. And I believe the teachings and the bible have been passed down the same way. So the completeness of Christianity exists in the Catholic church.

Although Catholics, like others, are sinful, God has been faithful to His promise to lead His church into all truth. It isn’t that we believe ourselves to be incapable of error; instead we trust in Jesus’ promise.
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SyCarl said:
I did not claim that Jesus started more than one Church and that one Church still exists today. However it is split over a number of churches that make up the true invisible body of Christ. I know Catholics do not believe that concept but that is not something I can correct.

Jesus did not start the multitude of churches that exist today. That was the result of human involvement in the Church.
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That certainly doesn’t make it right. Come on people, stop flip-flopping. The true church is Catholic, whether you believe this or not.
 
Well, it looks like NO NON-CATHOLIC can recall his/her history. What does this tell you? I’ll wait a little longer…:coffeeread: Boy, all this coffee is going to keep me up tonight…
 
Do you have a point in this thread besides trying to make Protestants look bad?

I don’t think all Catholics know their church history, aside from the fact that “the Catholic Church has continued unbroken since the beginning of Christianity”. I don’t think church history has much to do with whether a person is truly following God or not. And I think a person truly trying to follow God can be found in every single Christian denomination.
 
just lurking…

being that I am a “cradle Catholic” who was not properly
catechized, it makes learning about the Catholic Faith that
much more appealing and interesting…😉

Anyhow,
I think I read somewhere that schism (i.e. formal division in or separation from a church or religious body) is NOT A GOOD THING.

“By false doctrines concerning God heretics wound faith, by iniquitous dissensions schismatics deviate from fraternal charity, although they believe what we believe” (De fide et symbolo, ix). -St. Augustine
 
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