lets talk marriage

[rinnie]

Okay, as Catholic’s we all agree that we get the bad wrap of not embracing divorce. But now the words Till death do us part.

Okay now how can a Protestant faith marry someone in a Church time after time and repeat these words. Let me give an example:

How many people know people who have been married in the church 2, 3 even 4 times and still get married in the Church.

I guess what I am asking what do these words mean to the Protestant faith. Not being sarcastic. I don’t want this to get into a fight I am serious about the question. What does the Protestant preacher say if someone seems to remarry time after time?

Just wondering? And what are the teaching’s of the Protestant faith before marriage. Do they also have classes etc?

 

[planten]

Okay, as Catholic’s we all agree that we get the bad wrap of not embracing divorce. But now the words Till death do us part.

Okay now how can a Protestant faith marry someone in a Church time after time and repeat these words. Let me give an example:

How many people know people who have been married in the church 2, 3 even 4 times and still get married in the Church.

I guess what I am asking what do these words mean to the Protestant faith. Not being sarcastic. I don’t want this to get into a fight I am serious about the question. What does the Protestant preacher say if someone seems to remarry time after time?

Just wondering? And what are the teaching’s of the Protestant faith before marriage. Do they also have classes etc?

I hope the Protestants will reply to you. These words Till death do us part.are beautiful words and very good intentions. That is how it should be. I hope the Protestants do not utter those words at marriage. If they do then they should never remarry. Otherwise they break their promise made to god.

Let us see the explaination from the Protestants.

 

[Wesley7]

What I say about marriage is that you have to actually get married first.

 

[rinnie]

I hope the Protestants will reply to you. These words Till death do us part.are beautiful words and very good intentions. That is how it should be. I hope the Protestants do not utter those words at marriage. If they do then they should never remarry. Otherwise they break their promise made to god.

Let us see the explaination from the Protestants.

Let us see my Friend. Let us see, I sure it will be very interesting.

 

[JonNC]

Okay, as Catholic’s we all agree that we get the bad wrap of not embracing divorce. But now the words Till death do us part.

Okay now how can a Protestant faith marry someone in a Church time after time and repeat these words. Let me give an example:

How many people know people who have been married in the church 2, 3 even 4 times and still get married in the Church.

I guess what I am asking what do these words mean to the Protestant faith. Not being sarcastic. I don’t want this to get into a fight I am serious about the question. What does the Protestant preacher say if someone seems to remarry time after time?

Just wondering? And what are the teaching’s of the Protestant faith before marriage. Do they also have classes etc?

Hi rinnie,
Today is my 24th anniversary. Coincidentally, it is my wife’s too.
She and I were talking this morning, recalling how we agreed before the wedding that those words mean exactly what they say, that it was a covenant between us, with God as witness. For us, whether or not one labels it a sacrament, it has truly been a means of grace.
I do not oppose divorce for the 3 A’s - adultery, abuse, addiction. And I certainly opppose remarriage for those who are guilty of the 3 a’s, or for both parties when due to “irreconcilable differences.”

But my greatest concern, as a school teacher, is the traumatic effect it has on the children. Putting children through a divorce is, the greatest sin. Grown ups can find a new honey. Kids only have one mom and one dad.

Jon

 

[Spiritoftruth]

…anyone that is re-marrying within the Catholic Church obviously were not validly married in the first place or there would be NO second or third time, or more. As for “Bible” christians, I have heard it interpreted as “this” marriage is dead now… of course it’s depends upon how that individual preacher interprets scripture, and if his/her flock buys that premise… Peace

 

[aquabatix]

Hi rinnie,
Today is my 24th anniversary. Coincidentally, it is my wife’s too.
She and I were talking this morning, recalling how we agreed before the wedding that those words mean exactly what they say, that it was a covenant between us, with God as witness. For us, whether or not one labels it a sacrament, it has truly been a means of grace.
I do not oppose divorce for the 3 A’s - adultery, abuse, addiction. And I certainly opppose remarriage for those who are guilty of the 3 a’s, or for both parties when due to “irreconcilable differences.”

But my greatest concern, as a school teacher, is the traumatic effect it has on the children. Putting children through a divorce is, the greatest sin. Grown ups can find a new honey. Kids only have one mom and one dad.

Jon

In many cases ( I can not speak for sure, I am not on the panel that can help discern it) those 3 A’s you mentioned are grounds for an annulment. The person lied in their covenant before God and the marriage can be seen as invalid from the first moment. THAT is what it depends on, were both parties making a valid covenant to each other and God?

 

[JonNC]

In many cases ( I can not speak for sure, I am not on the panel that can help discern it) those 3 A’s you mentioned are grounds for an annulment. The person lied in their covenant before God and the marriage can be seen as invalid from the first moment. THAT is what it depends on, were both parties making a valid covenant to each other and God?

Thanks, Mike. I didn’t know that.

Jon

 

[Gerry_Hunter]

Rather than “are” grounds, “can be” would be more accurate. Take adultery. If it were proven, it would have to be in a situation where it provided evidence that the marriage was not validly entered into in the first place. Failure to keep a promise is not in and of itself proof that the promise was not seriously made.

It is interesting how the denominations that have given up on defending the sanctity marriage have also moved away from protecting the sanctity of other things as well - including life, in some cases. Very disturbing, but perhaps predictable?

Blessings,

Gerry

 

[phummel]

Hi, I am recently divorced. I found this link useful:
gotquestions.org/divorce-remarriage.html

Christ is very clear about adultery.

There are times when our hearts harden and we may separate, but God does not allow for remarriage to another in those cases.

God bless all,
paul

 

[daeve]

Somewhere here I read a thread about this subject. There’s a word that’s translated differently in the Catholic Bible and the KJV. It’s something like porneia, although I’m sure I’ve spelled that wrong. Our translation is invalid or unnatural, like if one of the spouses was already married or if they were related too closely, and this goes with our concept of the original marriage having an impediment making it not valid. The KJV translates it as adultery, which opens up a lot more possibilities than invalid does.

It seems to me the biggest difference is that for a marriage to be invalid, something had to be wrong at the time of the marriage.

Adultery would happen after the marriage. It could have been a perfectly valid marriage that went south because one of the spouses was unfaithful.

I wish I could cite this for you, but alas, it would take me weeks to find it in the Bible. I’m sure someone else will know exactly the words I have in mind.

 

[phummel]

Somewhere here I read a thread about this subject. There’s a word that’s translated differently in the Catholic Bible and the KJV. It’s something like porneia, although I’m sure I’ve spelled that wrong. Our translation is invalid or unnatural, like if one of the spouses was already married or if they were related too closely, and this goes with our concept of the original marriage having an impediment making it not valid. The KJV translates it as adultery, which opens up a lot more possibilities than invalid does.

It seems to me the biggest difference is that for a marriage to be invalid, something had to be wrong at the time of the marriage.

Adultery would happen after the marriage. It could have been a perfectly valid marriage that went south because one of the spouses was unfaithful.

I wish I could cite this for you, but alas, it would take me weeks to find it in the Bible. I’m sure someone else will know exactly the words I have in mind.

Thanks - interesting, I had to look that up:
loveallpeople.org/pearl-porneia.html

There might be better definitions. It seems like a “charged” word.
Time to pray.

God bless you,
paul

 

[Harpazo]

The Orthodox Church does not use the terms “til death do us part”

In Christ,
Andrew

 

[Publisher]

Somewhere here I read a thread about this subject. There’s a word that’s translated differently in the Catholic Bible and the KJV. It’s something like porneia, although I’m sure I’ve spelled that wrong. Our translation is invalid or unnatural, like if one of the spouses was already married or if they were related too closely, and this goes with our concept of the original marriage having an impediment making it not valid. The KJV translates it as adultery, which opens up a lot more possibilities than invalid does.

It seems to me the biggest difference is that for a marriage to be invalid, something had to be wrong at the time of the marriage.

Adultery would happen after the marriage. It could have been a perfectly valid marriage that went south because one of the spouses was unfaithful.

I wish I could cite this for you, but alas, it would take me weeks to find it in the Bible. I’m sure someone else will know exactly the words I have in mind.

I believe you’re thinking of the passage in Matthew…I don’t remember chapter and verse.

This has been called the “loop-hole verse”…I believe Mark has a similar passage but did not included 'except for “pornea”"

What baffles me is that many Catholics state the church does not beleive in divorce. Iknow many Protestant churches which state the same…what the major difference is the Catholic church DOES allow marriages to be annulled for various reasons…I understand that the quantities of marriages annulled has risen dramatically…Protestants however use “divorce” as a blanket term…perhaps due to the influence of the KJV.

Protestants do get divorces…what Catholics term annulments…I have a close friend in a conservative evangelical church. He and his wife were civily “divorced”…she however went before the court and got the “divorce” termed “annullment” so she could remarry as her particular traditions did not allow divorce and remarriage either.

I think the conclusion “daeve” makes…without realizing it IS due to the “loop-hole” verse in Matthew…Protestants just don’t go through the formal church courts/tribunals to have their marriage “annulled” even if they’ve been married twenty to thirty years…Catholics will go through the process of annullment even if they have 10 children and have been “married” for thirty years…if the church says the “marriage is annulled”…they are as free as a Protestant to get “married” again…the process can be repeated I would assume as it is in many Protestant communities as long as the church can find an “impediment” to calling the original or subsequent “marriages”…marriages.

Both traditions, IMO, “push the envelope”…one is just more cautious and methodical in doing so and has it’s own “faith based language”…instead of “divorce” as Protestants call it…Catholics call it “annulled.”

This post is not meant to be an indictment toward either group…it seems to me to be indicative as to how each group deals with the issue from their particular faith tradition. I understand the Orthodox have a “real life” approach…divorce happens…it’s a sin…second marriages should be entered into with fear and trepidation and deep profound repentance…to me…that speaks to the real issue of life…not the word play Protestants and Catholics seem to engage in…no matter whether called ‘divorce’ or “annullment” lives are seriously impacted…children suffer…the ideal is lost.