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I’m curious to learn what methods people like best, especially those with experience in more than one. Do any of you combine multiple methods? Anyone use technology (apps,etc) to make things easier to keep track of? Any (name removed by moderator)ut is greatly appreciated!
 
Good question. Perhaps we could also have an informal poll on how effective the methods have been for the responders. Most reliable to least reliable? 🙂

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We use STM.

For us…it’s been quite effective…both for avoiding and for conceiving.
I think just about every method has it’s benefits and disadvantages for everyone. I think all are equally effective if used correctly and all the rules are followed.

If the rules aren’t followed then the chances of conceiving are higher.

I don’t use apps or any other kind of higher technology. Just old fashioned paper charts and a pencil. 😉

Hubby and I are currently expecting baby number two and have discussed and agreed upon a fairly long haul of avoiding another baby…upwards of 4 years. I’m hoping I can at least nurse this baby successfully and be able to postpone my fertility returning for a year…and then use either STM again or try another method.

I like the idea of the Marquette method but I’m afraid to learn a new method when we have such serious reasons to avoid.
 
I’m curious to learn what methods people like best, especially those with experience in more than one. Do any of you combine multiple methods? Anyone use technology (apps,etc) to make things easier to keep track of? Any (name removed by moderator)ut is greatly appreciated!
I learned sympto-thermal (STM) first and have generally preferred it over mucus-only methods. I like seeing the temperature rise on my charts - I just use paper and pens. But it’s not for everyone, and if I ever need to use it again, I’d probably be cautious of relying on the temps since I’m now up a lot at night with my little ones. We have not needed to use NFP at all very much in our five years of marriage. I can recall twice needing to postpone children and both for very short periods of time.
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Good question. Perhaps we could also have an informal poll on how effective the methods have been for the responders. Most reliable to least reliable?
I would advise against relying on this sort of poll. Any information gleaned would be anecdotal at best. Sort of like asking people to take a poll on which toothpaste best prevents cavities. We have the published numbers on NFP efficacy because there have been randomized control trials and other studies conducted. The long and short of it is, when you use a modern method of NFP consistently and correctly, they are all highly effective at preventing pregnancy.
 
I am subscribing to this thread because DH and I need to get serious about learning NFP. So far we have never had serious reason to avoid, so we haven’t, and we have three children. But I will be turning 44 in a few weeks, and with our last baby we had a Trisomy 18 scare. He is perfectly normal and healthy, but I feel like we dodged a bullet, and the risk of birth defects that are “incompatible with life” go up tremendously as a woman gets older. I’ve lost one baby through miscarriage and it broke my heart, I don’t want to ever go through that kind of loss again. So, I am anxious to read about everybody’s experiences, different methods, what works for whom and why.
 
We’re using SMT and doing all the charting on fertility friend.com (free version).
I use cyclotest 2 plus (German equivalent of ladycomp) but because I don’t have regular cycles it predicts nothing for me. I like it as a thermometer though because it allows you to temp during a 4hr interval (original temp time +/- 2hrs).

fertility friend uses some “advanced” method to calculate ovulation day and they did get it wrong a couple of times but Im familiar enough with my signs to not depend fully on the charts. We’ve been sticking mainly to phase 3 and that has worked perfectly for the past 1.5 yrs. we just recently started using a couple of phase 1 days but it’s because we are more comfortable with the risk it implies.

There is no method that itrust post-partum while nursing so that was complete abstinence. (no, we didn’t die, just had to be resuscitated a couple of times. J/k)
 
We have used both Creighton and Billings. STM was out because my wife doesn’t have a normal enough sleep schedule, plus she hated the idea of taking her temp everyday. Marquette wasn’t really on our radar, but the cost of the ovulation predictor computer would have ruled it out anyway.

So of the two we have used she prefers Billings. Why? Simplicity. It takes her 10 seconds to chart everyday and doesn’t require anything but recording. With 5 kids (and number 6 on the way) simplicity is key.

As to effectiveness? Billings has been 100% effective for us. We have achieved pregnancy every time we’ve tried. 😃

Oh wait… that’s not what you were talking about? Well let’s just say none of her pregnancies were a surprise. Not every one was planned, but when we don’t have serious reason to avoid (i.e. 90% of the time) we also play more loose with the rules and leave it to providence.
 
My diocese teaches the sympto-thermal method, so we went with that, not knowing there were really other options until I researched more after the fact.

STM works great for us (12 1/2 years of marriage and 4 “planned” kids, naturally :p)

I’d love to learn Creighton, for the sake of learning it (because I’m an NFP geek), and Marquette is interesting, but sounds more expensive with the monitor and test strips…
 
I’ve used STM, but am considering switching to Marquette. My last two charts have been totally funky, my temps showed an ovulation date that was inconsistent with my CM observations. I’ve had issues with early morning waking and I think that is throwing things off. Might have to start saving for the ovulation monitor used in Marquette.

If you are going to use STM, the Couple to Couple league sells a great home study course on the subject. I second the suggestion above about using fertility friend as well, as a double check to your own methods. That is a free site that is geared towards people trying to conceive, but you can put in your information and its computer will determine when you ovulated. It’s a good double check on yourself. i used it also when i was TTC and it was very helpful.
 
We do ecological breastfeeding + STM. While I had a smartphone, I used OvuView to chart, but after the phone took over my life (:p) I downgraded and will use paper charts once my cycles return this time around. We are self-taught using the book Taking Charge of Your Fertility.
 
Billings is ridiculously easy if you have clear mucus symptoms. We haven’t touched a chart in years, you just have to be able to count to three days post-peak.

Our score so far (14 years):
  1. Planned babies: 2
  2. Unplanned babies: 0
  3. “What the heck” babies: 1 (This category IMO has more to do with NFP large family reputation than category #2)
Mission accomplished.
 
Billings is ridiculously easy if you have clear mucus symptoms. We haven’t touched a chart in years, you just have to be able to count to three days post-peak.

Our score so far (14 years):
  1. Planned babies: 2
  2. Unplanned babies: 0
  3. “What the heck” babies: 1 (This category IMO has more to do with NFP large family reputation than category #2)
Mission accomplished.
Both of ours were “what the heck” babies. 🙂 It was nice to know the day I could test!
 
We have used STM, Creighton, and Marquette. We have been married 15 years and have 6 kids with one on the way so we really haven’t “used” them a whole lot to avoid, but we have received the training. First baby was planned, next 5 were “what the heck” babies, and this current pregnancy was actually our first “unplanned”. We were using Marquette to avoid and thought we were following the rules to avoid but ended up pregnant anyways. Since we will likely need to be more serious about avoiding after this baby is born, we might try a combo of the three. Creighton during phase 1 and 2 (no relations with any cm observed) and temps until I observe temp rise to determine start of phase 3. Then my husband is a happy man until my period starts:D Marquette to cross check. I have issues with all of them. Marquette seems to be the most user friendly but like I said, not the most effective for us. For one reason or another, I cannot check cm 100% of the time before and after I go to the bathroom so Creighton is challenging. I either wait to go to long and can’t check before or I have a group of children in the bathroom with me and don’t want to explain to them why I am so interested in the toilet paper:eek: Temps worked ok in the beginning of our marriage but now with 6 little ones(and 1 in particular who likes to torment me at night), my wake up time is usually based on how long I actually get to sleep during the night. I am trying to work with someone from marquette’s website to figure out why that didn’t work for us so we can feel more confident with it postpartum. It did work well during the postpartum year, and I was able to determine when I ovulated. We waited until we got our last peak day, counted 3 full days, and used the evening of the fourth day. Not quite long enough I guess:shrug:
 
The Creighton Model

Believe it or not, but I was taught this method by the nuns. It is better known as the mucous method. When used properly and consistently it is the MOST effective form of NFP… No other method is necessary, no taking of the temperature or anything.

A woman has only a small 12-24 hour window of fertility a month. Her fertility is indicated by the presence of a certain type of mucous. The mucous appears a few days before ovulation. This method works even if someone were to ovulate twice a month (although I think I remember them saying that double ovulation occurs at the same time not at two different times in a month but I’m not 100% sure:shrug:)or has an irregular period.
 
We use Creighton model because that class is the one the insurance covered. I don’t know about the other models, but Creighton has worked perfectly for us so far, both for avoiding and achieving.
 
A woman has only a small 12-24 hour window of fertility a month.
The fertile window is actually closer to a week. Although true that a released egg cannot survive longer than about 24 hours, sperm can survive in fertile-quality mucus for several days. So if a woman has intercourse three or four days before she ovulates, she can still get pregnant. This is why most NFP methods suggest abstinence for three or more days “post-peak” to avoid conception.
 
The fertile window is actually closer to a week. Although true that a released egg cannot survive longer than about 24 hours, sperm can survive in fertile-quality mucus for several days. So if a woman has intercourse three or four days before she ovulates, she can still get pregnant. This is why most NFP methods suggest abstinence for three or more days “post-peak” to avoid conception.
I think what she meant is that conception can only occur within a 12-24 hour window. Which is true. Its not as though you can conceive just any random time of the month, its a pretty small window.
 
We use STM, and chart online. I like it because I’m a scientist, and like to have something quantitative (the temp reading) as opposed to only something qualitative (mucus signs). I find that I rely the most on the temp, and mostly end up using mucus and cervix observations as a double-checking. It has worked really well for us while we were using it, though it was only for a couple of months since we got pregnant after that (we were not following the rules closely that month on purpose, so it was not a surprise).

I also found that the method was easy to learn, we never took a class, just got the self-study book and went from there.

Edited to say: CCL has come out with an online charting software recently, it’s accessible from anywhere (DH can check it during the day 😉 ) and it even does interpretations for you. It doesn’t have the most user-friendly interface, but I’ve gotten used to it, and like other parts of it enough that I will be using it again once I need to chart again.
 
We use STM, and chart online. I like it because I’m a scientist, and like to have something quantitative (the temp reading) as opposed to only something qualitative (mucus signs). I find that I rely the most on the temp, and mostly end up using mucus and cervix observations as a double-checking. It has worked really well for us while we were using it, though it was only for a couple of months since we got pregnant after that (we were not following the rules closely that month on purpose, so it was not a surprise).

I also found that the method was easy to learn, we never took a class, just got the self-study book and went from there.

Edited to say: CCL has come out with an online charting software recently, it’s accessible from anywhere (DH can check it during the day 😉 ) and it even does interpretations for you. It doesn’t have the most user-friendly interface, but I’ve gotten used to it, and like other parts of it enough that I will be using it again once I need to chart again.
In all methods, mucous is the main indicator of fertility. Temps are only a secondary confirmation and should not be relied on as the main one
 
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