Let's talk Surah 4:34. When it's okay to strike your wives. (Again)

[KjetilK]

terribly mistaken…or might belong to another culture where it is acceptable

Are you a moral relativist?

 

[hasantas]

Yes, wife beating included.

 

[dronald]

It only affirms my belief that the Qur’an is immoral.
" Quarrel or not, Muhammad was mad

By mad I meant angry. And the Qur’an is immoral if it promotes wife beating for any reason. I don’t know how to put that kindly.

When you talk about a prophet and scripture you must be more respectful. God is Creator of every thing and God cannot be immoral. Sometimes we may cannot understand somethings but we should not be prejudiced.

Muhammad is not my prophet, and I do believe his wife beating policies and what he claims to be God’s wife beating policies are immoral.

That is true and I am honest. There is no such thing to make Muslims to hate Christians. But that some doctrines are unacceptable and complaints of Muslims is because of that doctrines.

I’m not saying it’s okay (in your Religion or mine) I’m saying that it’s true. Muslims do hate Christians, as people in all Religions wrongly hate others.

Your statement was that no Muslims hate Christians which is false; some Muslims hate Christians and are harsh with them as the Qur’an frequently commands.

As ı mentioned Allah loves all his creatures as His art. But Allah does not love vicious and his persecution. Allah does not love disbelievers and thier rejection. If God were pleasure with these God would not create Hell. We cannot love nonbeliever with their rejection but we must feel sad and deplore for them and pray for them to give up their bad deeds and creeds. Allah mentions this in Quran and there is no conflict with that but you try to present this as unfair.

The reasons for Hell in Christianity are different from that of Islam, so your reasoning is faulty.

So far you’ve admitted wife beating can be okay and Allah does not love unbelievers (me).

If you look at verse as obsession you cannot conclude anything. We must deal topic completely. Ofcourse beating sounds awful but God is not unfair. God caution people to maintain family. Solely beating cannot mean anything. No one venture with that verse to beat women conversely a man is awakaned to be more respectful. Caliphet Ummar was so hard but he also was very patient for his family and he did not beat his wife. Saying Prophet did not such thing mean not the changing subject. In Islam an order is not issued only from Quran but also from the Sunna and ijma. That verse with the next is to maintain family.

35. If ye fear a breach between them twain, appoint (two) arbiters, one from his family, and the other from hers; if they wish for peace, Allah will cause their reconciliation: For Allah hath full knowledge, and is acquainted with all things. Quran 4:35

Yes, beating sounds awful because it is. There’s no excuse for it.