Let's try this, a Sola Scriptura experiment

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Prodigal_Son1 said:
And St. Paul explained what was meant by verse 63 as you’ve posted above.
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Are you trying to say only Roman Catholics and Orthodox Christians have the Spirit of God since they alone eat the literal body and drink the literal blood of Jesus Christ? If you answer yes, how can Protestants be your seperated brethren?

I have participated in several masses, and the elements look like ordinary wine and bread to me. I bet there is a good percentage of Roman Catholics who do not believe that the elements change to the actual flesh and the literal blood of Jesus Christ, don’t you agree?
 
Why was it inspired to write about the eunuch who could not understand the scriptures until they were explained to him by an Apostle? What example was the inspired word trying to teach us with this example?
Act 8:27 And rising up, he went. And behold, a man of Ethiopia, an eunuch, of great authority under Candace the queen of the Ethiopians, who had charge over all her treasures, had come to Jerusalem to adore.
Act 8:28 And he was returning, sitting in his chariot and reading Isaias the prophet.
Act 8:29 And the Spirit said to Philip: Go near and join thyself to this chariot.
Act 8:30 And Philip running thither, heard him reading the prophet Isaias. And he said: Thinkest thou that thou understandest what thou readest?
Act 8:31 Who said: And how can I, unless some man shew me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him.
Act 8:32 And the place of the scripture which he was reading was this: He was led as a sheep to the slaughter: and like a lamb without voice before his shearer, so openeth he not his mouth.
Act 8:33 In humility his judgment was taken away. His generation who shall declare, for his life shall be taken from the earth?
Act 8:34 And the eunuch answering Philip, said: I beseech thee, of whom doth the prophet speak this? Of himself, or of some other man?
Act 8:35 Then Philip, opening his mouth and beginning at this scripture, preached unto him Jesus.
Act 8:36 And as they went on their way, they came to a certain water. And the eunuch said: See, here is water: What doth hinder me from being baptized?
Act 8:37 And Philip said: If thou believest with all thy heart, thou mayest. And he answering, said: I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
Act 8:38 And he commanded the chariot to stand still. And they went down into the water, both Philip and the eunuch. And he baptized him.
Act 8:39 And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord took away Philip: and the eunuch saw him no more. And he went on his way rejoicing.
Act 8:40 But Philip was found in Azotus: and passing through, he preached the gospel to all the cities, till he came to Caesarea.
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Prodigal_Son1 said:
Back on track with sola scriptura, even though it appears that Reformed is now trying to dodge that subject.

Why did God inspire St. Peter to write the difficulties of everyone understanding what was written in epistles, specifically St. Paul’s?
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I am agreeing with Peter that only the person who has been born from above, and through the ministry of the Holy Spirit, He illuminates truth of the Scriptures over a lifetime to those who are united to Christ. Peter no way writes, nor does Paul that a religious institution (Roman Catholic Church, Mormon Church, etc) is how God illuminates truth.

It’s interesting that all who reject grace alone through faith alone on the basis of Christ alone… to the glory of God alone…try to distort the writings of Paul. I have seen this by many different religious groups, including this forum site. One Catholic poster said that Jesus trumps Paul (my summary of what he was sharing). When the church is mentioned in the Bible, it is speaking of the body of Christ…all those who have been united to Christ and not a particular religious institiution. We are speaking of the remnant chosen by grace throughout redemptive history. The Church is not exclusively the Roman Catholic denomination.
 
Reformed said:
Are you trying to say only Roman Catholics and Orthodox Christians have the Spirit of God since they alone eat the literal body and drink the literal blood of Jesus Christ? If you answer yes, how can Protestants be your seperated brethren?

I have participated in several masses, and the elements look like ordinary wine and bread to me. I bet there is a good percentage of Roman Catholics who do not believe that the elements change to the actual flesh and the literal blood of Jesus Christ, don’t you agree?
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We are discussing sola scriptura. Your questions above are an attempt to sway away from that discussion. Why is that?

Please address the subject of this thread, that I admit has been derailed by your assertion of sola scriptura. I warned the OP if you continued I would provide a debate for the other side.

Not responding to my posts is a ‘shadowed’ admission that I’m right and you have no argument.

Since you have asserted sola scriptura, it is up to you to provide support for it. I feel I have more than provided support against it, and I’m just getting started.
 
Reformed said:
We are speaking of the remnant chosen by grace throughout redemptive history. The Church is not exclusively the Roman Catholic denomination.
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WE are discussing sola scriptura. You are doing everything you can to avoid the topic of the thread.

Are you going to respond to my points or not?
 
ralphinal said:
Let’s list all the Christian doctrine that can be defended using only sola scriptura. Some have proof on both sides, for and against. Let’s see how many we can get that are one sided.

I’ll start.

Jesus was born of a virgin.
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I haven’t followed much of the discussion on the thread, so forgive me if I duplicate answers already given.

Sola Scriptura (as defined by orthodox, Reformation Protestantism)

The Holy Trinity

God’s eternal decree

Creation

Providence

Sin

The virgin birth

The crucifixion/substitutionary atonement

the resurrection

the ascension

Baptism

The Lord’s Supper

The moral Law

Salvation by grace alone, through faith alone, on account of Christ alone

Sanctification

The second coming

the resurrection of the dead

the final judgment
 
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I’ll leave you Roman Catholic Christians alone on this thread while you play the Sola Scriptura game. The game is rigged. Maybe some LDS Christians would like to play along too. Have fun! 👍

BTW…TriuneUnity represents my beliefs in this game too in my absents. :bounce:
 
Reformed said:
I’ll leave you Roman Catholic Christians alone on this thread while you play the Sola Scriptura game. The game is rigged. Maybe some LDS Christians would like to play along too. Have fun! 👍

BTW…TriuneUnity represents my beliefs in this game too in my absents. :bounce:
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Rigged? Do you mean by rigged we have presented an argument you cannot debate against? 😛

Reformed, I think you know how anyone who reads through this thread will perceive our discussion, or your lack of it. :rolleyes:

I have a lot of respect for TriuneUnity as he will not run from a discussion. I also remember your questions to him when he did not represent your beliefs. Wasn’t it along the lines of, “when do you plan to become Catholic?”

Hello Triune BTW. 👋

School has been keeping me pre-occupied. I look forward to more with you in the future. I had to pop in and throw in my two cents when I saw Reformed derailing the thread with his unsupported assertions.

I apologize to the OP for taking a defensive position against Reformed’s attempt to make unsupported assertions, thus making us both guilty of derailing the thread. 😊

Getting ready for school. I’ll check back around midnight. :cool:
 
Jesus IS God.

Heaven and Hell

God created everything out of nothing.
 
AlanF said:
John 21:25
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Where does the Roman Catholic Church provide the things Jesus said and did that wasn’t recorded?
2 Thessalonians 2:15
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Can you show where Paul was teaching papal infalliblity, the immaculate conception, the assumption, the intercession of the saints, and the sacrifice of the Mass to the Thessalonians?
 
Prodigal_Son1 said:
I have a lot of respect for TriuneUnity as he will not run from a discussion. I also remember your questions to him when he did not represent your beliefs. Wasn’t it along the lines of, “when do you plan to become Catholic?”

Hello Triune BTW. 👋
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LOL I appreciate the kind words.
School has been keeping me pre-occupied. I look forward to more with you in the future. I had to pop in and throw in my two cents when I saw Reformed derailing the thread with his unsupported assertions.
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I apologize to the OP for taking a defensive position against Reformed’s attempt to make unsupported assertions, thus making us both guilty of derailing the thread. 😊
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Not a problem 😉

I’ve been busy with the family, mostly (all 500,000 of them. I’m still waiting for my check from the Vatican).
 
TriuneUnity said:
I haven’t followed much of the discussion on the thread, so forgive me if I duplicate answers already given.

Sola Scriptura (as defined by orthodox, Reformation Protestantism)

The Holy Trinity

God’s eternal decree

Creation

Providence

Sin

The virgin birth

The crucifixion/substitutionary atonement

the resurrection

the ascension

Baptism

The Lord’s Supper

The moral Law

Salvation by grace alone, through faith alone, on account of Christ alone

Sanctification

The second coming

the resurrection of the dead

the final judgment
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The issue at hand, or at least what I wanted it to be, is anything that we can only support one side of from the Scriptures. Most of these are good.

I was hoping that we can get a list of things that we all can accept based only on scriptures. It has not been easy.
 
TriuneUnity said:
Where does the Roman Catholic Church provide the things Jesus said and did that wasn’t recorded?

Can you show where Paul was teaching papal infalliblity, the immaculate conception, the assumption, the intercession of the saints, and the sacrifice of the Mass to the Thessalonians?
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I’m not giving examples of Tradition, I was just showing how Sola Scripura is not in the Bible (very ironic) and that the Bible actually says quite the opposite.

This thred is not about examples of Tradition but about doctrines that can be proved using only the Bible, which Sola Scriptura can not.
 
My intention is to get a list of doctrine that all Christians can agree on. That might make it easier to discuss things.
 
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