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I was surprised to find the above article on world net daily. It is full of misinformation. Perhaps some of you better apologetist could politely refute this man. I am thinking of writing and inviting him to this forum. He doesn’t seem mean spirited just badly mistaken about the Catholic church.
 
The guy is a kook in the same league as Jack Chick. He is incapable of writing two consecutive sentances that stand up to even cursory examination. I long ago learned Our Lord’s lesson of “casting your pearls before swine” when it comes to folks like this.
 
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DavidFilmer:
The guy is a kook in the same league as Jack Chick. He is incapable of writing two consecutive sentances that stand up to even cursory examination. I long ago learned Our Lord’s lesson of “casting your pearls before swine” when it comes to folks like this.
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I had never heard of this man before the World Net Daily article. Does he have a history against the Catholic church, like Jack Chick? I would probably even invite mr. Chick to this website. I have a lot of faith in you guys.🙂
 
On the downside, Catholics still persecute Protestants worldwide much more than vice versa,
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A serious accusation - details wanted, if known​

they don’t know their Bibles as well,
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Neither do all too many Protestants, sad to say 😦 This one depends on how much practice there is among the population of the country one is in: US religion is not the only kind​

and they are far more apt to have a syncretistic faith mixed with native religions.
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That may be so - but details, please. Voodoo Catholicism may be more visible than the “prosperity gospel” - but neither is in the NT​

As a result, their annual growth rate (1.24 percent) barely keeps up with world growth as a whole. In fact, on any given Sunday in Latin America, you’ll now find more Protestants in church than Catholics. The typical Catholic is also less likely to be a born-again Christian.
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Isn’t that for God to judge ?​

If “born-again” confuses you, it means someone who, meeting a cement truck head-on, would go to Heaven instead of Hell.
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Heaven without Christ would be Hell - “going to heaven” is not what Saints Paul & John speak of: they are in love with Christ - not with “going to heaven”. “GTH” is barely even mentioned - life in Christ, eternal life, being in Christ, these are mentioned.​

Ironically, the current popularity of that phrase sprang from the title of Chuck Colson’s autobiography, and was thought up by his Catholic wife as they were sitting in a Catholic mass! But the worst of the Catholic Church’s problems is their added-on doctrines and customs.
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The doctrines are organic growths from the richness of Who Christ is & from what He means. They grow organically from the Fact of Christ - they are not stuck on to it from outside, like barnacles on a ship’s keel; much less are they bolted on. What’s not right about our customs ?​

“Megashift” lists 56 of them, ranging from quirky (kissing the pope’s foot, begun in 709)
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Part of Israelite royal etiquette - the Pope is Christ’s vice-regent, and was honoured so as to honour the Pope’s Lord & ours.​

to damaging (indulgences sold for forgivene$$ of $in$, 1190)
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Even the holiest things can be abused - Simon Magus in Acts 8 tried to buy the Holy Spirit. If the Apostles were not spared such evil, why should later Christians be ?​

Indulgences are good & holy - their sale, is evil. ##
to horrendous (the current drive to declare Mary as co-redemptrix along with Christ – spearheaded by Vox Populi Mariae Mediatrici, whose petition to John Paul II was signed by millions of Catholics, including 40 cardinals, 480 bishops, and Mother Teresa. Mel Gibson also supports the movement, as did John Paul himself. (To be fair, they state that “co-redemptrix” does not imply deity.)
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It is entirely right to honour the holy mother of God made man - whether that move would be to give her what is Christ’s alone, is open to debate.​

 
Geez Deb that article is nothing but a plug for that anti-Catholic book that he’s hawking.

I wouldn’t waste my time writing him but maybe someone else on here will write an article on the return of politically correct Catholic bashing and use it to plug Karl Keating’s book “Catholicism & Fundamentalism”.

SSDD people!

BTW Great answers Gottle!
 
Church Militant:
Geez Deb that article is nothing but a plug for that anti-Catholic book that he’s hawking.

I wouldn’t waste my time writing him but maybe someone else on here will write an article on the return of politically correct Catholic bashing and use it to plug Karl Keating’s book “Catholicism & Fundamentalism”.

SSDD people!

BTW Great answers Gottle!
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TY CM 😃

About that “Megashift” book - the link to it, leads to a page about it which includes this:

"“If you read one ‘Christian book’ this year, make it ‘Megashift’ by Jim Rutz.” - Joseph Farah, founder of WorldNetDaily

The 1700-year nightmare is over.

A megashift of spiritual power into the hands of ordinary people is about to overwhelm the world and put it into vastly better shape. Prepare yourself to take part in a total makeover of Planet Earth!

Etc. etc…"

Would it be fair to say that someone - just who, God only knows - thinks the Church went underground in 300 ? It’s rather hard on the Reformers to include them in the “nightmare” (so-called). And what about Protestant favourites like the Wesleys, or George Whitefield ?

It’s a terrible way to dismiss so much Christian heroism and effort and hard work - it requires one to believe that God gives grace in vain; that Pentecost was in vain; that the past 1700 years or so have been a sort of howling waste, filled with sterility & emptiness. I don’t buy that - it requires a completely unBiblical idea of God. God’s work is never in vain, He never speaks for His Word to return to Him empty. God is Sovereign - so His Will is very definitely done on earth, always. There are no exceptions, and He does not play games with His people: if He promises to be with His Church “all days, even to the end of the age” - then He is means it, and won’t weasel out. God never weasels out - it’s against His nature: because He is faithful.

“1700-year nightmare”, indeed:rotfl: ##
 
Gottle of Geer:

Neither do all too many Protestants, sad to say 😦​

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I grew up resigned to the fact that about any Protestant could talk scriptures to me and I was helpless. I wouldn’t even have known how to look the verses up much less respond. :confused:

You reminded me of a comment Rich Mullins (late well-known “Contemporary Christian” singer/songwriter) made. He has played to many audiences of all faiths, all over the world.

He said they all use the same Bible; the biggest difference is they underline different parts of it. :yup:

Alan
 
Ugh… that article makes me sick.

Why would you post THAT on world net daily??? *
 
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I missed the end of that article: so -​

By papal decrees, Mary was already named mediatrix in 1931 and “Queen of Heaven” in 1954. Admiration for admirable people like Mary is wonderful, but this is way over the top. See Jeremiah 44, where God angrily condemns the Jews to death by famine and sword for paying homage to the “Queen of Heaven.”
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The verses about the QoH are these:​

The exact phrase of queen of heaven was found in 5 verses, shown below: these are the only appearances of these words.

Jer 7:18 The children gather wood, and the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead [their] dough, to make cakes to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto other gods, that they may provoke me to anger.

Jer 44:17 But we will certainly do whatsoever thing goeth forth out of our own mouth, to burn incense unto the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her, as we have done, we, and our fathers, our kings, and our princes, in the cities of Judah, and in the streets of Jerusalem: for [then] had we plenty of victuals, and were well, and saw no evil.

Jer 44:18 But since we left off to burn incense to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her, we have wanted all [things], and have been consumed by the sword and by the famine.

Jer 44:19 And when we burned incense to the queen of heaven, and poured out drink offerings unto her, did we make her cakes to worship her, and pour out drink offerings unto her, without our men?

Jer 44:25 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel, saying; Ye and your wives have both spoken with your mouths, and fulfilled with your hand, saying, We will surely perform our vows that we have vowed, to burn incense to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her: ye will surely accomplish your vows, and surely perform your vows.

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Compare this with how the CC behaves toward Mary.

Do Catholics:
  • gather wood
  • kindle fire
  • knead dough
  • make cakes
  • burn incense
  • vow to burn incense to her
  • pour out drink offerings to her
  • or pour out drink offerings to other gods
  • or pour out drink offerings to the Saints ?
No. That is the answer to every single item. Catholics do not do any of these things in her honour.

Do we do any of the things mentioned in these verses to the honour of anyone at all?

Yes: we do burn incense - not to honour Mary, or other gods than God, or the Saints; we use incense in the Church for the worship of the Blessed Trinity, Who alone is God. Vows too play a part in the honour paid to her - or they did - and they are directed to her Son

As for the other things, they play no part in Christian worship. In other words, these verses do not describe anything done in honour of Mary, nor in honour of the other Saints, nor in the worship of Almighty God. The practices the Bible describes as used in worship of the QoH, are not those by which we honour Mary.

All Mary has in common with the QoH is a title. That is all.

This must mean Evangelicals worship Zeus: why not ? He, like Jesus, is called “Saviour”. ##
The tens of thousands of Catholic martyrs, apostles, missionaries and devoted religious who have given their blood, sweat and tears to their supreme Lord Jesus for centuries deserve a purer posterity than this.
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An awful lot of them have been very devoted to her - the Legion of Mary in China was formed after an Irish missionary bishop, the co-founder of the Columban Fathers, suggested to one of the Fathers that he ought to try out Frank Duff’s ideas. I know this because I was fortunate enough to meet the priest in question at a Legion talk. He told us how he had been imprisoned for three years by the Communists, and that it was Our Lady who kept him sane in all that time. He gave it as his conviction that the Legion had stiffened the resolve of the Chinese Church (my summary of his words BTW) - and said the Legion had “spread like wildfire”.​

Therefore, if China is at all typical, she strengthens and assists the Church by her prayers: to honour her, is most decidedly very fortifying for the Church. And the Church would have no resilience or strength at all, if God did not ceaselessly protect her. So it seems pretty clear, that to honour Mary is very acceptable to God ##
 
I’m done with WND. There are plenty of other places to get news.
As I stated before, I knew there was something not quite right about that site. I should have trusted my instincts. Joseph Farah is showing his true colors by endorsing this trash.
 
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marvin:
I’m done with WND. There are plenty of other places to get news.
As I stated before, I knew there was something not quite right about that site. I should have trusted my instincts. Joseph Farah is showing his true colors by endorsing this trash.
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Who exactly is he ?​

 
I believe Joseph Farah maintains the site. He’s responsible for the content; the “editor” if you like. As far as personal info, I can’t seem to find anything substantial when I google his name.
 
It’s funny how he starts of with “Which Church is the Best,” then turns it into a complete bashing of the Catholic Church. :mad:
 
Church Militant:
Geez Deb that article is nothing but a plug for that anti-Catholic book that he’s hawking.

I wouldn’t waste my time writing him but maybe someone else on here will write an article on the return of politically correct Catholic bashing and use it to plug Karl Keating’s book “Catholicism & Fundamentalism”.

SSDD people!

BTW Great answers Gottle!
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Done … other people should also have a go, but I’ve stuck something on my blog about it - see the entire blog (right now it’s the top post) or just the specific article.

It would have been longer, but I *must * study for my exams!! :eek:

God bless,
Stephen
 
It took me awhile, but I found a guestbook from Rutz’ webpage, which is just a plug for his book.

Here is the text of what I wrote. I would have written more, but there is a character maximum.

Mr. Rutz,
In your August 9 article at WND you state that " Catholics still persecute Protestants worldwide much more than vice versa," Can you please provide me with documentation to prove your claim? Thank you. (PS kissing feet isn’t doctrine).

I left my email address. We’ll see what happens. I’ll let you know.

Here is the link to his guestbook:
megashift.org/guestbook/guestbook.php
 
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marvin:
I’m done with WND. There are plenty of other places to get news.
As I stated before, I knew there was something not quite right about that site. I should have trusted my instincts. Joseph Farah is showing his true colors by endorsing this trash.
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I’m with you, Marvin! But it won’t do any good to boycott without letting WND know it.

Is there a place to write? Letters to the editor?

Peace,
Mimi
 
Hi Mimi,

You’re right, but I’m not sure where to write. I’ll look into it.
 
I would suggest that if anyone wishes to express their opinion about Rutz’s comments, that they direct them to his site’s messageboard.
 
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