Letter confirms Vatican officials knew of McCarrick allegations in 2000

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Was that since 2000? The question was whether it is still going on. You did not state when this happened. I looked up the seminary in our diocese, and it was all adults. So the better question is whether the seminaries in New York now include high school, or the other places McCarrick went. I do not mean to down play the sexual harassment of adult seminarians, but rather to stop the confusion of association.
 
13pollitos said:
I want Pope Francis to stay an lead. He needs to speak on this clearly and show us how this mess came to be while laying out a plan to ensure we won’t be bombarded again in 16 years.
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Yes, he needs to finally address this issue. IMO, his silence makes it look like he’s guilty.
 
Where I grew up there was a minister that was found on the side of the road beaten to a pulp. He claimed he had been robbed he had the full support to our little town, but it was learned that he molested a little boy and the little boys dad had done the beating. The ministers support went away and he left town.
 
Our local seminary has a minor seminary, AKA high school for future priests, attached to it (BC, Canada). I also lived next to a minor seminary (again high school boys) in the DR for a time.
 
Prodigal_Son said:
You talk as if the Church were a system of rules,
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No, I talk as a man who thinks we should not judge others. One can say what was done was wrong but that is all. Also, I believe the church is a merciful church.
 
Unless it is the Vatican official’s confessions then there isn’t a way to know for sure.
 
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Theo2 said:
No, I talk as a man who thinks we should not judge others. One can say what was done was wrong but that is all. Also, I believe the church is a merciful church.
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Any mercy that does not involve making things right with the victim is not God’s mercy. It is fraudulent mercy, and it is cheap grace.

From the Catechism:
Many sins wrong our neighbor. One must do what is possible in order to repair the harm (e.g., return stolen goods, restore the reputation of someone slandered, pay compensation for injuries).
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I think you mean that JPII knew about McCarrick as this happened under his watch… Benedict likely knew as he was Head if CDF at that time … Francis may have known, but the letter from 2000 doesn’t prove that.

Need to see something in writing showing Francis being made aware of this.
 
therese1998 said:
Even the most “credible” of men can have an agenda…even if they can justify it or remain ignorant to it.
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Oh, I agree that Vigano has an agenda: he wants Francis out. I just don’t hold people’s agendas against them. I want Trump out of office, and I would do plenty of things to get him out of office. But I would never lie or deceive people in the process.

Vigano’s HONOR is what matters here. And I trust Francis’s honor too. I just want Francis to say something. If he says nothing, I don’t see how to assume that what Vigano says is false. Indeed, presuming Francis IS guilty of what Vigano says, it is precisely his honor that would keep him silent right now.
 
Theo2 said:
The Pope did not promote him. He removed a restriction. If you are going to be judgmental please be accurate.
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Allegedly removed restrictions as it does not seem that there were any restrictions in force
 
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Are there nominations for Pharisees of the year.

“Any mercy that does not involve making things right with the victim is not God’s mercy. It is fraudulent mercy, and it is cheap grace.”

Only a Pharisee would know this and what is possible with regard to repairing the wrong.

Only the winner would know what is possible.
 
If Pope Francis said anything the results will probably be the same so it doesn’t really matter.
 
Theo2 said:
Only a Pharisee would know this and what is possible with regard to repairing the wrong.
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When someone accuses you of hurting them, and you DID hurt them, repairing the wrong minimally involves saying, “Yes, I hurt you.” Is that a lot to ask?

I am among the worst of sinners, having been blessed with so much and falling into sin so often. I am constantly having to apologize for the way I have harmed others. I am no Pharisee, that’s for sure; I’m a miserable sinner that hopes and pleads for mercy.

But this I will say for myself: I am not a hypocrite. I live by the standards that both I and the Church expect of McCarrick. And the Church clearly does expect McCarrick to take responsibility, as the CCC says, “One must do what is possible in order to repair the harm.”
 
SeriousQuestion said:
If Pope Francis said anything the results will probably be the same so it doesn’t really matter.
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How is that? Are you convinced that this is a witch hunt, and that people don’t care what the truth is? I, for one, would be thrilled to find a good explanation from Pope Francis. I spent years defending the man against detractors, and I don’t want anything bad to be proven of him.
 
Prodigal_Son said:
And the Church clearly does expect McCarrick to take responsibility, as the CCC says, “One must do what is possible in order to repair the harm.”
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I am sure you are well intentioned and hold yourself to high standards. You cannot hold others to your standards. You seem to believe you know whether or not he has done so. I trust that he has done so. I don’t know what was possible. That is my last word on this subject.
 
Theo2 said:
You seem to believe you know whether or not he has done so.
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I suppose it is possible that he has taken responsibility to victims but many victims have lied and said that he hasn’t. Very unlikely, but possible.

That’s the best I can do. 🙂
 
Prodigal_Son said:
Vigano’s HONOR is what matters here. And I trust Francis’s honor too. I just want Francis to say something . If he says nothing, I don’t see how to assume that what Vigano says is false. Indeed, presuming Francis IS guilty of what Vigano says, it is precisely his honor that would keep him silent right now.
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What everyone seems to be not commenting on is that by Vigano’s own statement, he knew about McCarrick before and while he was nuncio. And kept it quiet while he was nuncio. So he was part of the coverup. Just think of how much less hurt McCarrick could have done if Vigano had made his public comments in 2006 instead of 2018. I’m not inclined to hold up Vigano’s honor as some banner to be rallied around.
 
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