Letter to Pope Francis from Catholic Men

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Ridgerunner said:
I’m not persuaded that the Pope thinks about the U.S. a great deal, or have the regard for it that Americans tend to think everyone should.
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Given that Vigano seemed to think it was a demotion to be sent here, I don’t think any of those guys in Rome pay much attention to us.
 
Rob2 said:
There are too many letters being bandied about .
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I tend to agree, but letters, like protests, give people something to do so they feel like they’re doing something. And they get to work on such letters and protests with other like-minded people, so they don’t feel so alone.
 
This letter explicitly asks that the entity which caused the problem should solve the problem. And there is already a track record of failure to understand the gravity of the problem on the part of those who are responsible for it. So it’s no surprise that problems still arise. To the hierarchy, the problem isn’t that bad. Their blind spot is not much of a surprise.
 
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Ridgerunner said:
The Pope Benedict took that “self-selection” away, and we saw some improvements in appointments. If I’m not terribly mistaken, I think we’re back to “self-selection” and some of the recent appointments have not been too sterling.
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If Vigano is to believed, Francis has not gone back to self-selection, and that’s the problem. (it seems he’s right, look who the US bishops self-selected for the synod on the family and for leading posts in the USCCB, especially prior to Francis appointments, versus the US bishops the Pope personally chose for that synod and personally appointed to major sees and given red hats–he’s hand picking the “not too sterling” ones sadly…while the lesser sees he would take less interest in, and which would be more self-selected, are usually better quality…).
 
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A request for clarity in a world and Church full of ambiguity is a good thing.
That humble devout learned clear teachers in The Church signed the letter is a good thing.
Communication in a world wide time of apostasy, powerful delusion - ‘grey wolf,’
needs to be steady. And this has been preceded by a least some of these signers,
much prayer, much study, and much carrying out the faith handed down from the Apostles.
It shows desire for authentic reconciliation, peace, and justice in this situation.
 
godisgood77 said:
On the sexual abuse crisis… the Pope clearly needs to continue taking action. This is his mess to clean up now.
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Child abuse is more a police matter, rather than a church matter. The pope has spoken out against child abuse, what more can he do?

If the church carried out their own investigations, it could be deemed a cover up. People should be presumed innocent until proven guilty, only the courts can decide.

Our prayers are needed for all concerned.
 
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I don’t sign or promote ludicrous petitions. What an exercise in futility and foolishness!
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You always seem to counter-signal and attack faithful and traditional Catholics. With respect, what is your issue?
 
You have the facts wrong… this is not a post VII problem… a good number of abusers were ordained pre-vii… no question about that.

Pretending preVII was hunky Dory is delusional… McCarrick is PreVII so try as you may… you can’t besmirch the council for this mess
 
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Your accusations are baseless and false.

I support Pope Francis. Furthermore, I support Cardinal Wuerl.
 
It’s almost like those pre-ordained constructed the post-conciliar culture by misconstruing what the council taught.Most of the current hierarchy were part of it’s construction and the fruits of that council were not what it intended at all. I never said the pre-V2 world was perfect, but statistics don’t lie. Before V2 3/4ths of Catholics attended mass. Now it’s 1/4th. We have less than 75,000 elderly nuns post V2, a shedding of more than 100k nuns. This has made the cost of Catholic education skyrocket as nuns do not require a salary. It has also lead to a lower quality education. The majority of Catholic lay teachers now believe the Eucharist is ONLY symbolic, that birth control is acceptable, one can have an abortion and still be a good Catholic and that divorce and remarriage is ok. Our Lord said we shall now a tree by its fruits and it would seem that the pastoral tweeking of the past half century has produced bad fruits.
 
Your last sentence is inappropriate. Stop agitating. It doesn’t help. This is like yelling at strikers at an auto company. Outlandish - bad. Accurate comments - good.
 
Relaxing of disciplines such as prayer and fasting, post-council changing of the Mass so it’s not viewed as a sacrifice and viewed as a communal meal, allowing gays in the priesthood, wimpy approaches to Islam and Judaism in a way the Church of ages past would be horrified by, changing the aesthetics, de-emphasis of penance a de-emphasis on Orthodoxy, a de-emphasis of God’s justice (reverse-Jansenism of sorts) refusing to talk about sin, death, judgement, purgatory and hell, misusing the doctrine of invincible ignorance as an excuse for an “everyone goes to Heaven” mentality. Need I go on?
 
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