Letting daughter watch "gay friendly" shows?

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0Scarlett_nidiyilii said:
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Wozza:
You do know that young kids would find nothing wrong with a gay relationship. Unless they were told it was wrong.
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You do know that young kids would find nothing wrong with lying, stealing and hitting.
Unless they were told it was wrong.
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That’s not actually true. Empathy is inbuilt. Children can’t be taught it. And their sense of justice is also innate:

“Contemporary research has provided us with additional information about how young children understand morals. Children between the ages 5 and 6 typically think in terms of distributive justice, or the idea that material goods or “stuff” should be fairly shared. In other words, everyone should get his or her exact “fair share.” For example, Sally may think that it’s only fair if each child gets exactly 2 cookies and the same amount of milk in their glass. Other factors, such as need or effort, are not considered. Sally wouldn’t think that Susie should get an additional cookie because her lunch fell on the floor. By age 6 or 7, children begin to consider what people have earned or worked for when thinking about distributive justice. Children can also reason that some people should get more because they worked harder. For example, Jane begins to understand that Jill should earn a bigger prize because she sold more Girl Scout cookies.” https://www.gracepointwellness.org/...ticle/12769-early-childhood-moral-development

Moving on from that, when I was growing up it was apparent that homosexuality was something to be made fun of at best, avoided at all cost and to be denigrated at all times at worst. I didn’t know any gay people while I was a kid - at least not that I was aware of. It wasn’t until I moved away from home and met different people with different views and different sexual needs that I thought: Hey, these people are just like me. Why was I making disparaging jokes and mouthing off against homosexuality when I didn’t know anything about it.

Learned behaviour, Scarlet.

My parents were some of the best people you’d ever want to meet. Salt of the earth. Pillars of the church. Would help anyone in need even though we were quite poor ourselves. But they were racist and homophobic. Not their fault really. It was just the environment in which they grew up and lived. I was lucky to move out of that environment.

So my kids weren’t taught that homosexuality was wrong. And they weren’t taught it was right either. No bias. No prejudice. The world keeps on spinning…
 
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edwest211 said:
Moral relativism is the worst possible thing to teach children.
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Gee, you missed the bit where I said they weren’t taught anything about homosexuality. If they’re not taught anything, how can it be relative to something, Ed? Or was ‘moral relativism’ the only buzzword that came to mind, whatever little it had to do with the post.
 
edwest211 said:
I don’t need your dismissive tone.
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It’s not dissmisive, Ed. I want you to be included in the conversation.

What did you mean by relative morality in the context of my post? Simple question requiring a simple answer. No more. No less.
 
Have you ever worked with children?
They may have some inborn drive towards empathy, but they need to be taught morals and just behavior.

And without somebody reinforcing this behavior, they’ll just as happily take advantage of opportunities for selfishness as anybody.

Just ask the bullied kid how innocent and nice and empathetic other kids are.

And just like with other areas of our life, parents have the obligation to teach the boundaries around sexual expression. This should be done in an age appropriate manner (at the proper time).

When I was a kid, tv and cartoon that dealt with sensitive subjects usually alerted the parents so they could opt out of the show, or use it for a teachable moment.
The current batch of tv and cartoons simply bypass the parents and talk to the kids directly.

Do you think this is fair?

I think this is what a sneak does
 
0Scarlett_nidiyilii said:
The current batch of tv and cartoons simply bypass the parents and talk to the kids directly.
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My parents said the same thing almost half a century ago. All of the TV shows, cartoons, sit coms, etc were aiming to undermine the family.

In the end, commercially produced entertainment is about one thing, selling ads. Whatever content will keep the advertisers happy is on. If the people buy the products in the ads, the advertisers are happy.
 
My parents and the rest of us watched wholesome TV until January 1971. After that, a slow, gradual decline occurred by introducing more and more immorality. It’s all documented. As the decades passed, worse and worse.

We didn’t care about ads back then because they were clean and wholesome.
 
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TheLittleLady said:
My parents said the same thing almost half a century ago.
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And they weren’t actually wrong.
Movies led the way, breaking down the idea of waiting to have sex until marriage.
Peyton Place and Splendor In the Grass are two examples I can think of off the top of my head.
There were (and still are) family friendly movies, but the propaganda was there.
 
And before that is was plays and novels. Whatever the current form of entertainment is, it will be blamed by parents for the rebellion of their kids. Far easier to blame some novelist or TV producer than to blame original sin.
 
It’s very important for parents and others to point out what’s wrong on the media and why.
 
Marriage between one man and one woman is a living icon of the union of Christ and His Church (c.f. Ephesians 5: 22-33).

A father and mother have been entrusted by God with the care of children, who are meant to be saints and future citizens of the Kingdom of Heaven.

Therefore, anything detrimental to their sanctification should be avoided like the plague.

Obviously, you make the rules in your house, but your dad has some good observations too, so please don’t dismiss what your dad said. He knows the joys and sorrows of fatherhood.

My dad is gone 10 years already (he passed away the day before my birthday). Often I wish he was still here but quite frankly, there’s a part of me that’s happy because if he saw the stuff going on today he’d be hopping mad.
 
Splendor In The Grass at least had a very sad ending . Love is destroyed. She ends up in a Asylum recovering and he (once a rich kid loses his wealth) marries and end up very poor.

Things did go south. Drag queen story hours at libraries for 2-4 years old.
 
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We fight against the world, the flesh and the devil.
Sin has more than one source.
If you live in a society that supports good behavior, it’s easier to be good. Vice versa is true.
Everyone of us has the obligation to teach and model good behavior to the kids, and that includes Hollywood.
 
No, those are two examples of not family friendly movies.

The previous poster was saying that 50 years ago her parents were complaining about the messages in media, and I was pointing out that they had a point. Both those movies were from the 60s.

At the same time, there were family friendly movies back then as well as now.
 
Oh, absolutely.
The media keeps pushing the envelope further and further.
The people 50 years ago weren’t wrong that there was media pushing an agenda, and they’re not wrong today, either.

And the fact is, kids are lured to the “forbidden fruit”, which the creators of media are 100% aware.
 
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