Lev 17-do not eat blood of animals

[hasantas]

pablope:
İn holy scriptures laws of God are same.

1. He hath only forbidden you dead meat, and blood, and the flesh of swine, and that on which any other name hath been invoked besides that of Allah. But if one is forced by necessity, without willful disobedience, nor transgressing due limits,- then is he guiltless. For Allah is Oft-Forgiving Most Merciful. (Quran, Al-Baqarah:173)
2. Forbidden to you (for food) are: dead meat, blood, the flesh of swine, and that on which hath been invoked the name of other than Allah; that which hath been killed by strangling, or by a violent blow, or by a headlong fall, or by being gored to death; that which hath been (partly) eaten by a wild animal; unless ye are able to slaughter it (in due form); that which is sacrificed on stone (altars); (forbidden) also is the division (of meat) by raffling with arrows: that is impiety…(Quran, Al-Maida:3)

 

[pablope]

Not all of the laws, since some require the Temple, which has been destroyed. Insofar as the other commandments are concerned, that depends on the Jew. The more orthodox Jews try to follow all of those laws that can be followed in the modern world, while other movements of Judaism are less strict about following them, particularly the dietary laws.

Hi Meltz…and thanks again for your (name removed by moderator)ut.

So you are saying it is up to the individual Jew to follow what he can? Would this be a majority or minority of the laws (depending on your experience)?

 

[pablope]

You know one of the conditions for gentiles to enter the church was that we should not eat the blood of animals. I think we ought abide by that decision of the apostles, to the best we can (neither being ultra legalistic about it or totally lax concerning it). That’s the only comment I have, that at least one portion of the law of dietary restriction is still in effect for Christians.

Hi, Ignitian…which restriction do you think is still in effect for us Christians?

I thought when these were dispensed with, it was all of them, is my conclusion.

 

[pablope]

The instruction refers to the Israelites only, and we are not Israelites we are gentiles,
also as a precaution to the israelites, a visitor living in the house of an Israelites must also adhere to this instruction as to avoid having conflicts within their community that’s why if an Israelite disobey he will be cutoff from the community, it only refers to the Israelites because a gentile cannot be cut off from a community which he does not belong to in the first place.

Also, its safe to note that a Gentile who is not living in an Israelite household is not bound by this instruction, as there is no such instruction for us

Thanks, this is what I told the mom, that the restriction was for the Jews. And one thing I mentioned, how about the other restrictions? Why is the INC focused only on this restriction?

 

[meltzerboy]

Hi Meltz…and thanks again for your (name removed by moderator)ut.

So you are saying it is up to the individual Jew to follow what he can? Would this be a majority or minority of the laws (depending on your experience)?

Orthodox Judaism believes it is NOT up to us to choose whichever laws we find reasonable or convenient to our lifestyle. The Torah commandments are not optional according to this view. Conservative Judaism has a somewhat different understanding of Judaism and the meaning of the Law, and Reform Judaism is also different in its interpretation from both Orthodox and Conservative. It depends on which movement of Judaism one follows; but, for many of the Orthodox, the ONLY real Judaism is theirs. That is not to say they deny we are all Jews, but they question the form of Judaism some practice.

 

[TimothyH]

God was reserving the consumption of blood until the Second Person of the Trinity became incarnate to give us his blood.

God didn’t want his chosen people to drink the blood of animals because “The life is in the blood.” He didn’t want them to live the life of animals. God wanted them to wait.

We drink the blood of Christ so that we can live the life of Christ.

-Tim-

 

[TarkanAttila]

Orthodox Judaism believes it is NOT up to us to choose whichever laws we find reasonable or convenient to our lifestyle. The Torah commandments are not optional according to this view. Conservative Judaism has a somewhat different understanding of Judaism and the meaning of the Law, and Reform Judaism is also different in its interpretation from both Orthodox and Conservative. It depends on which movement of Judaism one follows; but, for many of the Orthodox, the ONLY real Judaism is theirs. That is not to say they deny we are all Jews, but they question the form of Judaism some practice.

Meltzerboy, do you think the Temple will ever be rebuilt, and all of the Laws will ever be followed again?

 

[pablope]

Orthodox Judaism believes it is NOT up to us to choose whichever laws we find reasonable or convenient to our lifestyle. The Torah commandments are not optional according to this view. Conservative Judaism has a somewhat different understanding of Judaism and the meaning of the Law, and Reform Judaism is also different in its interpretation from both Orthodox and Conservative. It depends on which movement of Judaism one follows; but, for many of the Orthodox, the ONLY real Judaism is theirs. That is not to say they deny we are all Jews, but they question the form of Judaism some practice.

Thanks, again…

 

[pablope]

God was reserving the consumption of blood until the Second Person of the Trinity became incarnate to give us his blood.

God didn’t want his chosen people to drink the blood of animals because “The life is in the blood.” He didn’t want them to live the life of animals. God wanted them to wait.

We drink the blood of Christ so that we can live the life of Christ.

-Tim-

Thanks for your insight,Tim. I will certainly borrow your insight…

 

[SAVINGRACE]

Interesting.

Could hygiene and health concerns be part of it also?

Drinking blood would make anyone sick. Also with the heat in the middle east, you would have to drain the liquid to make preservation easier.

 

[marlo]

The tactics of the INC is one doctrinal error is equivalent to a false church, the more error, the more false the church is, and when the person believes that his/her church is false, it is easy to feed the Manalo angel doctrine and church of christ is the true name of the church doctrine, it is the reason why they will target the easiest doctrine they can prove false, one is dietary.

the next question, is how do you combat this strategy, well use their infallible document The Pasugo, i suggest to find articles in the internet where a pasugo conflicts a pasugo, the most famous are the “one true pastor” in one article shows Jesus Christ, but on a later article its Felix Manalo, There is also a Pasugo article about the INC celebrating christmas in which they do not celebrate now, i suggest you go to the splendorofthechurch.com.ph, you will find a ton of materials there, but if you can find a Pasugo article in the Internet which says that Christ can be called God, show it to your mom, it directly conflicts the recent doctrine of the INC, this article exist, happy hunting.

God bless

Thanks, this is what I told the mom, that the restriction was for the Jews. And one thing I mentioned, how about the other restrictions? Why is the INC focused only on this restriction?

 

[IgnatianPhilo]

Hi, Ignitian…which restriction do you think is still in effect for us Christians?

I thought when these were dispensed with, it was all of them, is my conclusion.

Acts 15:28 It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements: 29 You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things.

If the apostles thought it necessary to command the gentiles who converted to abstain from these things, how can we generations later do away with them? I am not suggesting we be absolutely legalistic about it, to the point of absurdity like that of the Jehovah’s witnesses who view blood transfusions as evil, but I think we ought keep the commands of the apostles.

I do not think we should keep kosher however or anything like that. I like what Paul had to say concerning the eating of food given to idols, if we know about it, we do not eat it. If we are ignorant about it, we eat what is given to us. The same would apply to blood. At least this is how I understand it.

 

[pablope]

The tactics of the INC is one doctrinal error is equivalent to a false church, the more error, the more false the church is, and when the person believes that his/her church is false, it is easy to feed the Manalo angel doctrine and church of christ is the true name of the church doctrine, it is the reason why they will target the easiest doctrine they can prove false, one is dietary.

the next question, is how do you combat this strategy, well use their infallible document The Pasugo, i suggest to find articles in the internet where a pasugo conflicts a pasugo, the most famous are the “one true pastor” in one article shows Jesus Christ, but on a later article its Felix Manalo, There is also a Pasugo article about the INC celebrating christmas in which they do not celebrate now, i suggest you go to the splendorofthechurch.com.ph, you will find a ton of materials there, but if you can find a Pasugo article in the Internet which says that Christ can be called God, show it to your mom, it directly conflicts the recent doctrine of the INC, this article exist, happy hunting.

God bless

Thanks for the additional pointer. by the way, she is not my mom, but a friend’s, who was visited by an INC and got her confused and worried. I think you are Filipino, and you know the “dinuguan”…how it is prepared.

I pointed out, why are they focused on this one restriction alone? How about the others?

 

[pablope]

Acts 15:28 It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements: 29 You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things.

If the apostles thought it necessary to command the gentiles who converted to abstain from these things, how can we generations later do away with them? I am not suggesting we be absolutely legalistic about it, to the point of absurdity like that of the Jehovah’s witnesses who view blood transfusions as evil, but I think we ought keep the commands of the apostles.

I do not think we should keep kosher however or anything like that. I like what Paul had to say concerning the eating of food given to idols, if we know about it, we do not eat it. If we are ignorant about it, we eat what is given to us. The same would apply to blood. At least this is how I understand it.

Thanks. My thinking is, the advise to abstain is an advise, a disciplinary matter.

Anyway, in my research on the matter, St. Paul later writes later:

1Cor 8:

4 So then, about eating food sacrificed to idols: We know that “An idol is nothing at all in the world” and that “There is no God but one.” 5 For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as indeed there are many “gods” and many “lords”), 6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.

7 But not everyone possesses this knowledge. Some people are still so accustomed to idols that when they eat sacrificial food they think of it as having been sacrificed to a god, and since their conscience is weak, it is defiled. 8 But food does not bring us near to God; we are no worse if we do not eat, and no better if we do.

 

[IgnatianPhilo]

Thanks. My thinking is, the advise to abstain is an advise, a disciplinary matter.

Anyway, in my research on the matter, St. Paul later writes later:

1Cor 8:

4 So then, about eating food sacrificed to idols: We know that “An idol is nothing at all in the world” and that “There is no God but one.” 5 For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as indeed there are many “gods” and many “lords”), 6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.

7 But not everyone possesses this knowledge. Some people are still so accustomed to idols that when they eat sacrificial food they think of it as having been sacrificed to a god, and since their conscience is weak, it is defiled. 8 But food does not bring us near to God; we are no worse if we do not eat, and no better if we do.

It doesn’t seem to be merely advise, but a condition of being part of the church. Not of course however denying what Saint Paul says.

 

[meltzerboy]

Meltzerboy, do you think the Temple will ever be rebuilt, and all of the Laws will ever be followed again?

Even if the third Temple were rebuilt during the Messianic era, all of the laws would not have to be followed since sin would no longer be present. Prayers of atonement, for example, would not be necessary but prayers of thanksgiving would continue. At the same time, Judaism believes that the Torah commandments that need to be followed will be practiced with more intensity at the time of the Messiah both by Jews and non-Jews (no conversion is necessary).

 

[meltzerboy]

Interesting.

Could hygiene and health concerns be part of it also?

Drinking blood would make anyone sick. Also with the heat in the middle east, you would have to drain the liquid to make preservation easier.

Health concerns may have been part of the justification; however, according to Jewish religious teaching, the reason for following the dietary laws is NOT based on health but on faith.

 

[SAVINGRACE]

Health concerns may have been part of the justification; however, according to Jewish religious teaching, the reason for following the dietary laws is NOT based on health but on faith.

Understood.

 

[pablope]

Th

the next question, is how do you combat this strategy, well use their infallible document The Pasugo, i suggest to find articles in the internet where a pasugo conflicts a pasugo, the most famous are the “one true pastor” in one article shows Jesus Christ, but on a later article its Felix Manalo, There is also a Pasugo article about the INC celebrating christmas in which they do not celebrate now, i suggest you go to the splendorofthechurch.com.ph, you will find a ton of materials there, but if you can find a Pasugo article in the Internet which says that Christ can be called God, show it to your mom, it directly conflicts the recent doctrine of the INC, this article exist, happy hunting.

God bless

Hi, Marlo,

I did sign up for the site, what better material to counter the INC claims than from those where the INC is based. Thanks again.

 

[pablope]

It doesn’t seem to be merely advise, but a condition of being part of the church. Not of course however denying what Saint Paul says.

Ignitian…well not that you mentioned it, is this still a condition for being in the Greek Orthodox?