After your brother dies the earthly marriage ends. His widow is no longer a married woman.Onan was required to marry his deceased brother’s wife, but leviticus says that you cannot see your brother’s wife’s nakedness, so you cannot marry your brother’s wife.
I was just wondering how to reconcile these. Thanks
Then why did Henry VIII need a dispensation from the pope to marry Cathrine of Aragon?After your brother dies the earthly marriage ends. His widow is no longer a married woman.
If your brother is dead then his wife is no longer his wife but widow.Onan was required to marry his deceased brother’s wife, but leviticus says that you cannot see your brother’s wife’s nakedness, so you cannot marry your brother’s wife.
I was just wondering how to reconcile these. Thanks
One is God speaking and one is Juda speaking, it is not necessary to reconcile them.Onan was required to marry his deceased brother’s wife, but leviticus says that you cannot see your brother’s wife’s nakedness, so you cannot marry your brother’s wife.
I was just wondering how to reconcile these. Thanks
newadvent.org/cathen/01178a.htmThen why did Henry VIII need a dispensation from the pope to marry Cathrine of Aragon?
I am not 100% sure, but I believe Catherine was Henry’s first wife and he was her first husband. If he needed a dispensation it must have been for consaguinity (spell?). If a prospective bride and groom are too closely related by blood they can not marry. I suppose they can petition for a dispensation. In those days royal houses tended to intermarry, but I don’t know the history there. Henry ran into trouble when he wanted to dump Catherine and marry Ann Boleyn, who would not agree to have sex with him unless he got rid of Catherine and married her. I think she ended up being executed when Henry tired of her.Then why did Henry VIII need a dispensation from the pope to marry Cathrine of Aragon?
Brendan,One is God speaking and one is Juda speaking, it is not necessary to reconcile them.
Juda told Onan to marry his brothers wife not God, nowhere is it said that God approved of Juda’s command to Onan, just as God would not have approved with Juda later trying to sleep with her himself when he mistook her for a prostitute.
At the same time the Pope can grant dispensations to his people so why not Juda to his.
Actually Catherine’s first husband was Arthur who was the brother of Henry.I am not 100% sure, but I believe Catherine was Henry’s first wife and he was her first husband. If he needed a dispensation it must have been for consaguinity (spell?). If a prospective bride and groom are too closely related by blood they can not marry. I suppose they can petition for a dispensation. In those days royal houses tended to intermarry, but I don’t know the history there. Henry ran into trouble when he wanted to dump Catherine and marry Ann Boleyn, who would not agree to have sex with him unless he got rid of Catherine and married her. I think she ended up being executed when Henry tired of her.
When an Old Testament Jew like Onan had to by law marry the childless widow of his dead brother and raise up children to his brother’s name, the brother and sister inlaw were not related by blood or the first brother could not marry her.
A recent study by some scandinavian scientist shows that in Islam first cousins often marry. The percentages of marriages in Islamic countries to first cousins is astounding. The practice goes back to Mohamed. The scientist claims this explains the high percentage of congenital defects and mental retardation of Muslims in Eurpoean countries. They are inbred. The same scientis claims that it explains the tendency to violence and irrationality in Muslim culture. Could be I suppose. But this has nothing to do with marrying your sister inlaw to whom you are not related by blood.
I just read the history. Did not know that, but also don’t understand what this has to do with Onan, or Mosaic Law that prescribes that a brother must marry his deceased brother’s childless widow to raise up children in his deceased brother’s name. I know of Catholics who married their siblings widows or widowers. I don’t think they needed a papal dispensation. Consaguinity is an impediment to marriage, because blood relatives who inbreed have defective children. It has nothing to do with seeing one’s living brother’s wife naked.Actually Catherine’s first husband was Arthur who was the brother of Henry.
Which made her, in the terms then accepted, Henry’s ‘sister’, so he could not marry her without a dispensation.Actually Catherine’s first husband was Arthur who was the brother of Henry.
Very well I stand corrected, so then the brother dying childless must be the exception against the law in Leviticus.Brendan,
You are wrong. It is in Mosaic law that men must marry their dead brother’s widows if they have no children, and raise up children in the broter’s name so that the dead brother would not be cut off from Israel.
“Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy brother’s wife: because it is the nakedness of thy brother.” \
This is adressed to a man with a living brother and his wife. It is saying don’t take your living brother’s wife’s clothes off and look at her naked. Meaning, don’t get lusty with your brother’s wife, your sister in-law by looking at her nude body.
If your brother dies she is free to marry anyone as long as it is not a close blood relative.
In Mosaic Law as followed by Jude, a brother is compelled to marry (go into) his dead brother’s widow if the dead brother is childless. Jude was tricked by his daughter in-law into having sex with her. He was looking for a prostitute and she disguised herself and got pregnant. This has nothing to do with the Mosaic law that compelled Onan to raise up children to his brother’s name in Israel, which law he broke by spilling his seed. He paid for his sin. Jude got away with his.
So what was the daughter in-law doing? She knew Onan was not fulfilling his obligation and she wanted to get pregnant, possibly to keep her dead husband’s lineage in Israel, so she seduced Jude. Sounds crazy to us moderns, but that was how the culture saw things then.
I have read the history of Henry VIII and I understand that his brother, Arthur, married Catherine, but died before the marriage was consummated. Then, Henry married Catherine, but he needed a dispensation from the pope because of the Leviticus law.This is adressed to a man with a living brother and his wife. It is saying don’t take your living brother’s wife’s clothes off and look at her naked. Meaning, don’t get lusty with your brother’s wife, your sister in-law by looking at her nude body.
=dominikus28;7596683]Onan was required to marry his deceased brother’s wife, but leviticus says that you cannot see your brother’s wife’s nakedness, so you cannot marry your brother’s wife.
WHAT THE BIBLE IS ACTUALLY SAYING IS:I was just wondering how to reconcile these. Thanks
This is what confuses me. If it is prohibited to marry your dead brother’s wife, why is it required of Onan? Did Leviticus come later and change the rules?It was deemed necessary for a papal dispensation to be issued allowing Henry to marry Catherine, as she was his dead brother’s wife, and this marriage was prohibited in Leviticus.