LGB vs T collision

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It never did seem to make any sense to include trans people under the same umbrella as LGB people. LGB is about who one is sexually attracted to; T is about one’s gender identity. Quite apart from the more ideological aspects, these are clearly two different things. It gets even more confusing when intersex people are also included (LGBT+, LGBTQQI, etc.) Intersex describes a range of physiological conditions that do not necessarily have anything to do with sexual orientation or gender identity.
 
The latest furor is over tennis great Martina Navratilova. Something of a pioneer and hero to the gay community, she’s weighed in on the issue of “trans-women” (biological males) competing in women’s sports. It amounts to cheating, she says. It’s an injustice to female athletes who’ve trained for years, never imagining that men claiming to be women would one day stand in their way.
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Well, this is just common sense. The only reason we haven’t heard more outcry before is that most people are afraid to state the obvious on this issue, like in “The Emperor’s New Clothes.”
 
The LGB should just be grouped under one letter instead of being broke up into three.
 
Back in the day, LGB did not want to be associated with T.
 
Women, whether they are lesbian, bisexual, or straight are starting to wake up to the issue of basic biology. It will be interesting to see how the progressives deal with this quagmire.

The forums used to have a different, interactive set of emoji and there was one eating popcorn. That would apply appropriately.
 
I think the strength of TERF movements are a bit inflated here.
 
I don’t believe in gay rights.

I don’t believe in lesbian rights.

I don’t believe in bisexual rights.

I don’t believe in transgender rights.

I don’t believe in transexual rights.

I don’t believe in pansexual rights.

I don’t believe in queer rights.

The smallest minority is the individual. I believe in individual rights.
 
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I have been saying this for years. I do not understand why the T was lumped in with LGB. Totally different group of people.
 
I saw something similar where a young lady at a school in Connecticut is upset over a male to female trans student DOMINATED the high school track competition.

She said she’s trained for years and was hoping for a nice scholarship and to get noticed, and none of the colleges bothered with her because she didn’t win. The trans winner had not even had hormone therapy and was just a young man in women’s clothing.
 
I don’t understand why more sports don’t have regulations about transgender people and competition.

The sport of figure skating, run by U.S. Figure Skating in the United States, and the International Skating Union around the world (ISU) has long had the rule that a FEMALE who is transitioning into a MALE may compete at any time in the Men’s events. But a MALE who is transitioning into a FEMALE must wait for FIVE YEARS before competingin the Ladies’ Events, and the MALE into FEMALE competitor MUST be on hormones that decrease his/her muscle mass.

If MEN competed in the LADIES’ figure skating events, they would crush the ladies, as Men have a unique body build (center of gravity in the chest instead of the hips) and musculature that allows them to land quadruple jumps. Indeed, all the top male figure skaters in the world can land quadruples, but only a few ladies can land them, and these ladies are the little girls who haven’t gone through puberty yet, and weigh well under one hundred pounds. (Yes, there is a lot of debate among figure skating ans as to whether these little girls are truly “Ladies.” I vote “No!” not that my vote matters, because I don’t really get a vote–it’s up to the ISU.)

And although the Ladies generally have the advantage over Men when it comes to flexibility (see “Biellmann spin”), many men have worked hard and developed their flexibility to the point where they can do the same flexibility elements (Biellmann spin, etc.) as the ladies.

I think that this “5 year rule” is a good one—sensible, and it protects the ladies from being beaten by someone who is biologically a man, not a woman. I think it would make sense to implement this same rule or a variation of it across the sporting world.

I am surmising that perhaps the reason it isn’t being adopted for high school competitors is that high school is only 4 years, and if a male has to wait for 5 years to compete–he/she will miss their opportunity to compete in high school, and this will negatively affect their ability to earn college athletic scholarships.

Well, that’s just too bad, IMO. A true transgender person, IMO, should be more concerned about the rest of their life in their non-biological gender instead of putting up a fuss about competing against young women who in most cases won’t be able to beat them in athletic competition.

And if the young transgender male-into-female person is allowed to compete against females in high school, and then later on in life decides to go back to being a male–there will be LAWSUITS, and rightfully so–the young women who lost to this person lost the opportunity to go to State, bring back trophies and honors to their school, have their name engraved on a school plaque, miss out on having the firefighters escort them into the city in a parade, etc. They’ll never have the chance to have that experience again.
 
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It never did seem to make any sense to include trans people under the same umbrella as LGB people. LGB is about who one is sexually attracted to; T is about one’s gender identity. Quite apart from the more ideological aspects, these are clearly two different things. It gets even more confusing when intersex people are also included (LGBT+, LGBTQQI, etc.) Intersex describes a range of physiological conditions that do not necessarily have anything to do with sexual orientation or gender identity.
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I thought they all dovetailed nicely.
They all share a common foundation: that common sense human nature is malleable by whim, and that by force of will one can change human nature. Which is of course, nonsense.
 
I’m not gay, nor bi. But I think that the trans movement as political movement is lacking in basic fundamental solidity in philosophy and in science that is more easily apparent in the gay community.

A person with XX chromosomes is of the female sex. A person with XY is of the male sex. There are, in science, differences at the edges that can make things a bit muddier (intersex, those with ‘male brain’ brain scans in female bodies…) but those are a small fraction of what we are seeing today.

If you are gay it means something. You are one sex and are attracted to the same sex. And you are fighting to see that your sexuality doesn’t make you a target for discrimination.

The trans movement seems to completely reject that and liquify gender to… what? behavior? Because it seems that you can identify as almost anything; and demand specific ‘rights’ (like your own pronouns) based on that identity. And the possibilities of those identities seem endless and worse, fluid. If the rest of the world doesn’t comply… then they are bigots.

This would seem to be dangerous ground. Because it opens up the possibility that people will just throw up their hands with the difficulty of trying to adjust to a dynamic and dangerous position. And if you are bi or gay having your wagon hitched to that horse could damage the rights you have fought for for so long.

I feel a tremendous amount of compassion for trans people. Their suicide rates are very high.

But I’m disgusted with the political and philosophical underpinnings of that movement that I have read about. It appears to me to be just a power grab fit into an ideological model of civil rights, and not a true attempt to help trans people.

You have to simply accept their claims, or you are a bigot. You can’t question their out comes, or you are a bigot. You can’t question their methods, or you are a bigot.

This doesn’t serve trans people in the long run.
 
The future will have to become Boolean to handle this issue…

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I don’t think anyone is gay, bisexual, or transgender ‘by whim’. Nobody knows what causes homosexuality or gender dysphoria, but they seem to be much more than a whim. And you really can’t include intersex in the same category. Intersex conditions are genuine medical conditions, e.g. chromosomal abnormality or abnormal development of reproductive organs, that can be measured in scientific terms.
 
And schools are being bullied into accepting this insanity as normal.
 
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Norm MacDonald: “All B’s are G and all L’s are G, so its really just GT not LGBT”
 
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