LGBQT Representation in Media?

[edwest2]

I agree with you, for the most part.

However, your two options (win or exchange ideas) seem to leave out completely a most important third one – **to come to know the truth **– as if that isn’t a live option, at all.

You see, often what is left unstated is more important than what gets repeated over and over, again.

Perhaps I am just getting grumpy in my old age and have become very impatient with and tired of the “commonly known” inanities being written up again and again as if by mere repetition they will come to encapsulate the epitome of all truth.

To Peter and everyone else (including me):

Repetition is the key to winning hearts and minds. Winning is the goal of course. This kind of winning can occur in spite of the truth. As Christians, we must be on our guard. As opposed to the days when people actually sent letters of complaint or praise that had real names and addresses, we now have a number of anonymous types who are here for a number of reasons. We should do our best to think well and act well, even when the same argument appears over and over, and even when it’s just an “opinion” which can be honestly held or dishonestly spread. Sadly, there is a subset of internet posters known as “astoturf.” And just like the fake grass, pretend to be just another voice - a regular guy. Instead, they are paid mercenaries who go to sites like this and do their employer’s bidding. There are amoral people out there and others who just like to stir the pot for some kind of “fun.” Still others, I’m sad to say to say, who have Obsessive Compulsive Posting Disorder - and they have written vile things just to get a reaction, plus spread lies, rumors and other bits of untruth.

Over the years, I’ve learned to step back, take a deep breath, and while I am required to check on their posts where I work (not here), I’ve seen the same patterns appear over and over again elsewhere, including here. Ignoring most of them, where I work, usually works. In those rare cases where they cross a legal line, I pass that post on to the appropriate people.

To those like Peter, who speak with clarity, even though they may be met with a lack of charity, or statements that appear to be patently untrue, or veiled insults, remember: Remain as you are. There are those who are good witnesses for the truth but we must be aware that every trick in the book can and will be used against us. Let us not forget that our witness needs to be good, to avoid anger, bitterness and frustration. If telling the truth to the masses was easy… well, it’s not. And that is what we are to expect. When feeling burned out, take a short break. No single person can shoulder it all.

Peace,
Ed

 

[petitfleur]

I agree with you, for the most part.

However, your two options (win or exchange ideas) seem to leave out completely a most important third one – **to come to know the truth **– as if that isn’t a live option, at all.

You see, often what is left unstated is more important than what gets repeated over and over, again.

Perhaps I am just getting grumpy in my old age and have become very impatient with and tired of the “commonly known” inanities being written up again and again as if by mere repetition they will come to encapsulate the epitome of all truth

You catch more flys with honey than with vinegar.

 

[edwest2]

Peter Plato;12616117:

I agree with you, for the most part.

However, your two options (win or exchange ideas) seem to leave out completely a most important third one – **to come to know the truth **

– as if that isn’t a live option, at all.

You see, often what is left unstated is more important than what gets repeated over and over, again.

Perhaps I am just getting grumpy in my old age and have become very impatient with and tired of the “commonly known” inanities being written up again and again as if by mere repetition they will come to encapsulate the epitome of all truth

You catch more flys with honey than with vinegar.

True, but I’ve seen it at my job. Otherwise mild-mannered, intelligent people who reach a point where the arguing gets to them. Where the subtle or direct lies, insults and extremely uncivil behavior begins to have its intended effect - a reaction - preferably, a negative one so they can say, “See! He or they are as bad as we thought or closer than not.” Some are just adult whiny babies or people who take out their personal frustrations - very inappropriately - on others, especially those who don’t deserve it. For most of those I know, they experience a moment of frustration, for others, it takes time to work through it and get back into “telling the truth” mode. Patience is a virtue but like anything, it takes a little maintenance.

Someone wrote: “You have to speak the truth daily to counter the lies being spread among the people.” As I recall, this statement was made a long time ago.

Ed

 

[Peter_Plato]

Peter Plato;12616117:

I agree with you, for the most part.

However, your two options (win or exchange ideas) seem to leave out completely a most important third one – **to come to know the truth **

– as if that isn’t a live option, at all.

You see, often what is left unstated is more important than what gets repeated over and over, again.

Perhaps I am just getting grumpy in my old age and have become very impatient with and tired of the “commonly known” inanities being written up again and again as if by mere repetition they will come to encapsulate the epitome of all truth

You catch more flys with honey than with vinegar.

You are not implying that readers of these threads are akin to flies that cannot discern between the truth and not truth, but must merely be compelled to one position or the other by making the offering sweet, now are you?

Isn’t that a presumptuous view of what these forums are about AND taking a condescending position regarding its readership?

Two strikes.

Careful how you address this pitch.

 

[edwest2]

I’ve spent the last several decades watching immorality packaged as sweetly as possible in the media, or made to suddenly appear in the picture, as in LGBT characters on TV, without fanfare. Or to put it another way - “This is modern or correct or neutral…” until anyone says anything negative about it. I have read about people who have spoken against certain aspects of LGBT behavior in the media and been called homophobes. Freedom of speech and telling the truth, can and will get you in trouble. It reminds me of the old, “Nothing to see here. Move along.” approach where clearly, something has changed with more “openly” LGBT people in the media. I’ve seen a list. Meanwhile, the public is unaware that all media (like the internet) is being monitored for the slightest hint of being against this or that being portrayed in the media. The reaction is usually negative and designed to reinforce the “progressive” changes that are occurring.

So, should the average person find out that Bob (no reference to an actual person is intended) is the ‘openly gay’ host of their favorite show, there might, and likely will, be a negative reaction. The gay media celebrates each and every one working in the media but the average person has no interest in reading the Advocate, for example (there are others). When people are unaware of the whole approach being taken, then they will be unprepared for what comes after today.

Ed

 

[Peter_Plato]

I’ve spent the last several decades watching immorality packaged as sweetly as possible in the media, or made to suddenly appear in the picture, as in LGBT characters on TV, without fanfare. Or to put it another way - “This is modern or correct or neutral…” until anyone says anything negative about it. I have read about people who have spoken against certain aspects of LGBT behavior in the media and been called homophobes. Freedom of speech and telling the truth, can and will get you in trouble. It reminds me of the old, “Nothing to see here. Move along.” approach where clearly, something has changed with more “openly” LGBT people in the media. I’ve seen a list. Meanwhile, the public is unaware that all media (like the internet) is being monitored for the slightest hint of being against this or that being portrayed in the media. The reaction is usually negative and designed to reinforce the “progressive” changes that are occurring.

So, should the average person find out that Bob (no reference to an actual person is intended) is the ‘openly gay’ host of their favorite show, there might, and likely will, be a negative reaction. The gay media celebrates each and every one working in the media but the average person has no interest in reading the Advocate, for example (there are others). When people are unaware of the whole approach being taken, then they will be unprepared for what comes after today.

Ed

Speaking of…

winteryknight.wordpress.com/2014/12/29/great-grandmother-florist-is-the-latest-victim-of-the-secular-leftist-gay-inquisition/

 

[cena]

Speaking of…

winteryknight.wordpress.com/2014/12/29/great-grandmother-florist-is-the-latest-victim-of-the-secular-leftist-gay-inquisition/

Doesn’t freedom from “discrimination” violate the freedom we have as Americans. Why should small business owners be forced against their will to listen to the requests of certain people

 

[Peter_Plato]

Doesn’t freedom from “discrimination” violate the freedom we have as Americans. Why should small business owners be forced against their will to listen to the requests of certain people

They shouldn’t. Period.

The pretext that the redefinition of marriage to include any pair who exhibit “loving commitment” overcomes “discrimination” is purely a fiction to enable prosecution based upon that fiction.

 

[petitfleur]

You are not implying that readers of these threads are akin to flies that cannot discern between the truth and not truth, but must merely be compelled to one position or the other by making the offering sweet, now are you?

Isn’t that a presumptuous view of what these forums are about AND taking a condescending position regarding its readership?

Two strikes.

Careful how you address this pitch.

Two strike! What happens at three? What are you going to do to me?

I am pretty sure you are the only person who thinks I am comparing the readers here to flys or think that they are stupid. Most people do not take that saying as literal as you.
So I will explain it for you. People are more likely to listen to what you have to say and take you seriously when you are polite and civil.

I am sorry I have upset you so much and caused you to be emotional. I like to understand other people’s points of view. Please don’t take it personal when others either don’t understand your point or disagree with you. It is not worth getting angry over. It is ok if people don’t believe what you do. I don’t think you can berate people into agreeing with you. It doesn’t work.

 

[Joie_de_Vivre]

What do you think should be done about such relationships in media/entertainment?
If you are aware, The Legend of Korra ended with a bisexual relationship of Korra and Asami (recently confirmed true by creators).
I believe (and most catholics as well), that relationships with the same gender is sinful and not what God intended for humanity. However my friend is a huge fighter/supporter for LGBQT rights and representation. She tells me how there is so little representation (if at all) of LGBQT characters in any form of media and entertainment, and how that is a problem, similarly to how people argue there is not enough representation of minority ethnic groups or in America in entertainment.

I agree that representation is important, however I wonder how representation of LGBQT relationships in media can work with the morality of such relationships in children’s media (like Nickelodean or Cartoon Network). There is no doubt in modern american society that a children’s show that gives a message that LGBQT relationships are bad will be very negatively received and with backlash. I don’t see that happening. However, it would be good to have representation of LGBQT relationships in children’s cartoons. But how can we have LGBQT relationships/representation in children’s entertainment that does not go against the morality of LGBQT relationships? Or should LGBQT relationships not be shown at all in children’s entertainment because representation of such is not worth it over the moral implications?
What do you guys think, that there should be representation even with the moral issues?

Two young women walked into a DNA beam holding hands, what terrible things to show to people. On the other hand the previous Avatar ended with two teenagers making out with implied fornication, what wonderful morals to show.

 

[petitfleur]

I’ve spent the last several decades watching immorality packaged as sweetly as possible in the media, or made to suddenly appear in the picture, as in LGBT characters on TV, without fanfare. Or to put it another way - “This is modern or correct or neutral…” until anyone says anything negative about it. I have read about people who have spoken against certain aspects of LGBT behavior in the media and been called homophobes. Freedom of speech and telling the truth, can and will get you in trouble. It reminds me of the old, “Nothing to see here. Move along.” approach where clearly, something has changed with more “openly” LGBT people in the media. I’ve seen a list. Meanwhile, the public is unaware that all media (like the internet) is being monitored for the slightest hint of being against this or that being portrayed in the media. The reaction is usually negative and designed to reinforce the “progressive” changes that are occurring.

So, should the average person find out that Bob (no reference to an actual person is intended) is the ‘openly gay’ host of their favorite show, there might, and likely will, be a negative reaction. The gay media celebrates each and every one working in the media but the average person has no interest in reading the Advocate, for example (there are others). When people are unaware of the whole approach being taken, then they will be unprepared for what comes after today.

Ed

  would you think the solution would be for the production of really high quality media that would appeal to all people? People writing in protest? How else do you think this can be counter acted?
   How do you explain your point to people who do not identify themselves as Catholic, or Christian or even religious?

 

[Peter_Plato]

two strike! What happens at three? What are you going to do to me?

I am pretty sure you are the only person who thinks i am comparing the readers here to flys or think that they are stupid. Most people do not take that saying as literal as you.
So i will explain it for you. People are more likely to listen to what you have to say and take you seriously when you are polite and civil.

I am sorry i have upset you so much and caused you to be emotional. I like to understand other people’s points of view. Please don’t take it personal when others either don’t understand your point or disagree with you. It is not worth getting angry over. It is ok if people don’t believe what you do. I don’t think you can berate people into agreeing with you. It doesn’t work.

“BAAWWWLLL one!”

 

[Peter_Plato]

People are more likely to listen to what you have to say and take you seriously when you are polite and civil.

People should listen to the truth and take that seriously, whether it is polite and civil or dressed in camel hair and eating locusts.

It is so easy to clothe the wildest lies and falsehoods in elegant dresses and tailcoats to pass those off as “true” merely because it is commonly “known” that polite and civil will get you heard.

Those who want to hear the truth will hear it, those who don’t will certainly be taken in by the attire that dresses up deception.

 

[InSearchofGrace]

Two strike! What happens at three? What are you going to do to me?

I am pretty sure you are the only person who thinks I am comparing the readers here to flys or think that they are stupid. Most people do not take that saying as literal as you.
So I will explain it for you. People are more likely to listen to what you have to say and take you seriously when you are polite and civil.

I am sorry I have upset you so much and caused you to be emotional. I like to understand other people’s points of view. Please don’t take it personal when others either don’t understand your point or disagree with you. It is not worth getting angry over. It is ok if people don’t believe what you do. I don’t think you can berate people into agreeing with you. It doesn’t work.

Hold your horses, petitfleur. PP is not berating you to agree and he is not being impolite and uncivil as you imply. If you would go back to the post to which you reacted, it was in response to a poster whose point of view based on her record of postings on LGBT issues is overwhelmingly pro-gay and unmistakably against Catholic position on homosexuality and gay marriage. If you have time you can check said member’s postings on record using the site search function. Now consider that this thread is about LGBT representation in media and this poster says she writes TV scripts for a living. Can you guess what themes or story lines such a writer is inclined to submit? According to her, TV shows is all about what viewers like to see. The world as portrayed by the media comes to be perceived by viewers as an accurate reflection of truth and reality. Perhaps to the undiscerning, so that is arguable. Which I suspect PP is saying, and with which I agree. The media certainly contributes significantly to normalization and promotion of homosexuality.
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[petitfleur]

Hold your horses, petitfleur. PP is not berating you to agree and he is not being impolite and uncivil as you imply. If you would go back to the post to which you reacted, it was in response to a poster whose point of view based on her record of postings on LGBT issues is overwhelmingly pro-gay and unmistakably against Catholic position on homosexuality and gay marriage. If you have time you can check said member’s postings on record using the site search function. Now consider that this thread is about LGBT representation in media and this poster says she writes TV scripts for a living. Can you guess what themes or story lines such a writer is inclined to submit? According to her, TV shows is all about what viewers like to see. The world as portrayed by the media comes to be perceived by viewers as an accurate reflection of truth and reality. Perhaps to the undiscerning, so that is arguable. Which I suspect PP is saying, and with which I agree. The media certainly contributes significantly to normalization and promotion of homosexuality.
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I don't think there is a need to respond in a condescending manner because she disagrees with you. People who are pro-gay are not pro-gay because they are bad people who deserve admonishment. People are pro-gay because they sympathize with gay people and have compassion for the trouble and pain they go through by being gay. They see gay people as human beings who deserve dignity and respect. It is from compassion. It may not be church teaching and it may be wrong, but it is not to upset you. I don't think you or Plato or anybody else here is going to change her point of view. And she wont change yours. Not everyone finds accepting Church teachings as easy as you do. Some people really struggle with it.

 

[Peter_Plato]

Not everyone finds accepting Church teachings as easy as you do. Some people really struggle with it.

Assuming that people who DO accept Church teaching DO have an “easy” time doing so. We are all sinners, petitfleur. That means none of us has an “easy time” with Church teaching. In fact, the easy time, might be had by those who disregard or oppose it.

Part of the problem, it seems, is that you have a bias towards those who don’t accept Church teaching because they “have a difficult time” with it, but assume those who do accept Church teaching are simply doing so because it is in their “nature” to do so.

Ever been addicted, petitfleur?

I have, twice. The “easy” thing would have been to remain addicted both times.

 

[edwest2]

would you think the solution would be for the production of really high quality media that would appeal to all people? People writing in protest? How else do you think this can be counter acted?
How do you explain your point to people who do not identify themselves as Catholic, or Christian or even religious?

We are at a point where right and wrong, truth and falsehood are debatable. Or “What is good for you may be bad for me.” Moral relativism holds that any individual, group or subculture can do whatever. I watched the current Wave begin in the late 1960s and watched the media degrade itself, actors and actresses degrade themselves and others over the years. After watching it unfold over the last 40 years, one would think what we want is to be a nation of sexual deviants. Traditional marriage? I can here a spitting sound in the background. Look at the “cartoon” called Family Guy. The spitting continues in the opening song which mentions “those values on which we used to rely…” I still rely on those values but the show’s writers and producers clearly hate them. They hate displays of functional people or respect for religion, like adding Jesus as a fictional pervert to an episode of Family Guy. How about a lead character who is a serial killer? Huh? How obvious and how bad does it have to get before people wake up? Zombie heads getting smashed, cut off and worse every Sunday? Killing the Walking Dead is so… I can’t think of the word. This season, let’s throw in some cannibals slaughtering people like animals. Anyone being “entertained” yet? It turns my stomach.

So quality regarding characters, costumes and scenery means nothing if all we get in return is fornication, simulated sex, partial nudity, lots of profanity and dark, dark, dark… did I mention dark? themes being marketed. I was in a trendy store a few days ago and a young girl (10 or 12) was wearing a T-shirt that was black with a photo of a strange man on it. At the top were the words I’M LEONARD, and beneath the photo, I’M DEAD.

Quality? Can you define that? Looking at most media, quality has given way to brightly packaged immorality to crude immorality, to unintelligible nonsense. To outright gross and harmful behaviors on video. Funny… not.

LGBT characters are being added to daytime TV and gay behavior is displayed.

I think any person who is sincerely seeking the truth can comment on the above. It’s where we are at. The evidence is there and the motives are obvious. Those who control the media want lots of sex, as much nudity as they can get away with and lots of profanity. Just turn on your TV. That’s why I don’t even have a TV. I watch certain TV shows elsewhere to see how the trends are going and to modify a lame saying: “If you want morality on TV, today is not your day. Tomorrow’s not looking very good either.”

Ed

 

[petitfleur]

Assuming that people who DO accept Church teaching DO have an “easy” time doing so. We are all sinners, petitfleur. That means none of us has an “easy time” with Church teaching. In fact, the easy time, might be had by those who disregard or oppose it.

Part of the problem, it seems, is that you have a bias towards those who don’t accept Church teaching because they “have a difficult time” with it, but assume those who do accept Church teaching are simply doing so because it is in their “nature” to do so.

Ever been addicted, petitfleur?

I have, twice. The “easy” thing would have been to remain addicted both times.

I accept church teaching but do not like it. I am sympathetic toward gay people and don't think they should be ostracized, or treated the way society has treated them in the past. I am not implying that you think they should be treated hatefully either.This is very different than how I felt a year ago, where I flat out opposed it. My faith changes depending on weather I nurture it or not. When I actively try and grow in faith and practice it "my heart is softened" as how my priest puts it, toward church teaching.I was never confused to what The Church sais. I don't think I have a bias toward people who disregard it over people who don't. I just don't see the benefit of being condescending either way. I don't think My change of heart came about by people telling me but rather me putting the work into my faith by regular church attendance, bible reading, praying The Rosary, even if it was only a decade, and reading Catholic literature. I did not focus on that issue at all while doing this. If I were directly dealing with somebody who had problems with one aspect, I would probably encourage them to practice their faith more and think less about it.(don't think I explained it properly)