LGBT backlash shuts down an Australian bridal magazine

[theCardinalbird]

That too @theCardinalbird (but then I’d think of those with SSA), in this case I was actually thinking particularly of the “T” part. Why? Because their plight seems, in a way, perhaps even harder (and rarer) - for involving not only dilemma in attraction but more, dilemma of the body in itself.

Like I said, polemics in media are as old as media itself - and media will continue feeding of polemics (if there weren’t any polemic media would invent it). What is noteworthy is the special difficulty of the object of this polemic. Putting the polemic entirely aside, the object is entirely worthy of analyses. And perhaps an analyses of the object requires firstly to set aside polemics.

Ok I now understand what you are saying. Though I feel sorry for those who struggle with these problems, I do not agree with what they did to this magazine. The polemics should die down, but the intolerance that these activists are breeding just because a magazine doesnt feature their idea of love, should also die down to.

As a person who wants to get into advertising or even open up a print shop, I feel that this could be me one day, which is why I feel that Christians are once again being persecuted for their belief because they do not agree with the majority of society.

 

[Augustinian]

Why do you think the law should legislate on what other folks do in bed? I’m taken aback to be honest.

The answer to this query varies depending on the people’s view as to whether or not you think that the law would influence behavior in this matter.

I guess if someone thinks that some people are immutably homosexual and nothing can be done about it, the “que sera sera” attitude and not legislating sodomy is the way to go.

However, if your view is that people can change their behavior and people can be influenced by law to do it or not, its a different story.

There is no real way to actually document how much sodomy went on before it was legalized in Illinois in 1963 and comparing it to how much we have in the post-2003 period where its legal everywhere- so we could undoubtably argue about this until Judgment Day.

 

[Augustinian]

entirely different to a discussion on porn, which clearly does involve others

The way I look at it, is that Sodomy does affect others, just like pornography, unlike masturbation.

Of course, before sodomy and pornography were legal, they were still engaged in. But it wasn’t celebrated as it is today, and those who were engaged in it were careful to be discrete. Personally, I think it reduced the incidence very significantly particularly among young people who can be swayed.

In other areas, legalizing previously outlawed activities seems to have increased them. They tell me that the number of stoned people on the Las Vegas strip has increased exponentially since grass was legalized out there. And it isn’t a coincidence that Alcoholics Anonymous arose in the mid and late 1930’s after booze became legal in 1933.

On the sexual front, i don’t think its a coincidence either that aids became popular in the 1980’s 20 years after the first legalization of Sodomy and the beginning of the Gay Rights movement.

 

[JSAD]

All they ever wanted to do was to be accepted and loved. This was the lie repeated ad naseum about the lgbtq community in the 80’s and 90’s . Here were are …they show their true colours if intolerance unless of course you do what they say.

This is happening in the church now with many bishops and priests such as Fr. James Martin.

 

[JSAD]

I’d go further and say we are much past that…there are more wiccans in the US than presebytarins …in the UK there are many more Muslims that worship on Friday than Christians in Sunday.

However take heart for in China , Muslim nations and in Africa … Christianity is growing . There is more persecution there .

 

[exnihilo]

These kinds of actions make one understand why there was suppression in the past. It makes one understand why the past was how it was. If tolerance means we can’t have bridal magazines then tolerance isn’t warranted.

 

[exnihilo]

The battle is already physical with crime, sex crime, and rioting. The good side is losing.

 

[Mary888]

I’m sure @adgloriam would not justify what these advocates are doing, seeing that these advocates clearly have a hatred for Christian ideals and therefore won’t tolerate them despite their insistance for us tolerating their ideals.

Somehow when it comes to closing down businesses I don’t think it’s hatred, activism or any -ism. Is plain simple The competition pays them to do this. I am betting on it.
Because they (the gays) couldn’t care less if just one magazine doesn’t endorse gay marriage as long as other do endorse them.
If it’s about legislation and people’s opinions ok, that is activism. But operating on the business market… Heterosexuals many times sell out their love and ideals for money, why wouldn’t gays?

 

[ZMystiCat]

What does Trump have to do with an Australian bridal magazine? Does he like totally own it or something?

At this point, it wouldn’t surprise me if the next plot twist includes this.

On this question, I’ll give the same answer. Yes

I think attempts to legislate against masturbation, or most sexual sins, are incredibly misguided. Ignoring debates about separation of church and state, laws should really only be pursued if they are reasonably enforceable, and the privacy violations necessary to reasonably enforce most laws against sexual sins would be disastrous.

I don’t think we can, or should control it. I just think immoral activities should be illegal and unpunished unless flaunted flagrantly.

Masturbating in public will already get you in trouble.

there are more wiccans in the US than presebytarins

There was a report recently that the number of Wiccans in the U.S. is estimated to be as high as 1.5 million, though it could be less. The PCUSA alone has 1.4 million members. Once you include other major Presbyterian groups (> 100K members) like the PCA (375K), EPC (145K), and ECO (121K), it exceeds the estimated number of Wiccans. That’s not even counting the many other Presbyterian groups like the OPC or RPCNA, as there are around 25 - 30 different Presbyterian denominations in the U.S.

 

[normdplume]

I’m not sure what the solution is, but in Iran, for example, they hung two kids (15 years old) for homosexual acts some years back. The only way to stop despicable acts like that is for LGBT activists to fight for their rights. It’ll take a long time to convert Muslims. Although I have SSA, I support Christians being able to run a business that caters only to Christians or even just Catholics. The problem is, in many western countries, that is discrimination and falls under the same protections as black people needed (and still need) in the US.

 

[JMMJ]

That being said, I don’t support harsh punishments for either masturbation or homosexual acts. It should be illegal but not prosecuted, unless done in the public sphere and with an intent to normalize and give the appearance of acceptability.

How big of you.

 

[MikeInVA]

Sodomy laws jailed or fined plenty of gay people.

I never knew or heard of anyone jailed or fined for breaking these laws.

 

[PetraG]

I think we’re watching another period of decline in Western civilization.
I hope I’m wrong, because the past versions got very nasty and brutish (but weren’t short).

(I think we all remember when people started thinking that we’d finally gotten to the time when real estate values would never crash again… history will not be done repeating itself until the Second Coming.)

In the coming years we’re going to see some kind of neo pagan/secular vs Muslim political battle in Europe. It will probably turn into a physical battle in the streets.

In the US were just going to get fatter, lazier, and more decadent.

Why do you think there is going to be violence in Europe but the most heavily-armed citizenry the planet has ever seen is just going to lay around and impotently shake fists at each other?

I do not think that is the way to bet.
(I also am not laying any bets as to who are going to be the ones to come to blows.)

 

[MikeInVA]

Why do you think the law should legislate on what other folks do in bed?

It’s no longer about the bedroom (if it ever really was, which I doubt). It’s about forcing a radical agenda on people. Look at the adoption agencies that have shut down because of they believe in God’s plan for creation, not some man-made fiction. They’re the ones being impacted by legislation.

 

[MikeInVA]

The problem is, in many western countries, that is discrimination and falls under the same protections as black people needed (and still need) in the US.

The problem is, it isn’t. Race is a protected class in the U.S. There is no religion that I know of that endorses racial behavior.

It isn’t discrimination to open a private business that caters to Catholics or Jews or Muslims. Having said that, if a Muslim was to walk in to a Catholic bookstore (for example) he should be served. He should be free to buy any product the store sells to anyone else. The store should not have to stock/sell Muslim books.

 

[Eric_Hyom]

There are car magazines that specialise in certain kinds of cars, why should they be penalised if they don’t include all kinds of cars?

If someone has run a magazine on heterosexual marriage, why do they have to include articles on LGTB. If the LGTB want a magazine, then it is their right to start one.

 

[ZMystiCat]

There are car magazines that specialise in certain kinds of cars, why should they be penalised if they don’t include all kinds of cars?

I guess once cars develop feelings and rational thought and begin to express dissatisfaction that they’re left out of a magazine, then this would be relevant.

 

[AngelusDomini]

I would be wary of throwing too much support behind the publishers. In a news report I read recently (Independent UK) they stated that “White Magazine has always been a secular publication, but as its publishers, we are Christian. We have no agenda but to love. We have no desire to create a social, political or legal war, which only divides people further and does more damage than good.” Before going too far I’d prefer to see the publication in question. Are they hoping for some sort of crowd funding? Do they want to use publicity to boost sales?

 

[PetraG]

There’s a much bigger chance of Muslims (who come from regions where violence is an every day part of life, and they are much more willing to commit violence) than the average American who really doesn’t care about anything other than the latest sportsball game and whether he’s having Taco Bell or McDonald’s for dinner.

Americans are a complacent people. As long as we have entertainment and food we’re not having mass demonstrations any time soon or running street violence.

Muslim immigrants on the other hand, they have shown a willingness and capability for violence when in large groups.

Muslim immigrants have WHAT? When? Not in this country! Lynchings weren’t carried out by Muslims. It isn’t as if we never have riots. What are you even talking about? We have had riots over sports outcomes! (See: 2014 World Series, Chicago Bulls (multiple years), Detroit (1990). That’s rioting–over a ballgame!! Usually when there was a win!! The terrorist acts I can think of with an Islamic fingerprints were carried out by small cells, not large groups rioting together.

Charlottesville was not an assembly of violent Muslims. I’m in the West, where we have the Earth First types committing eco-terrorism, the Antifas against the Patriot Prayers protesting and counter-protesting, and even in the rural areas armed take-overs of federal installations. It wasn’t Muslims vandalizing the city and going nuts after Trump was elected, either. I’m not thinking that the people from the Middle East are uniquely endowed with the human capacity for violence. There is no evidence for that. You just have to think about it. (Do you even know what a Three Percenter is? Look it up. They are not Muslims, and they are NOT complacent TV-watchers.)

We have more firearms per capita in this country than anywhere else–by a LOT. They weren’t all purchased for target practice and hunting. Yes, our political demonstrations could get very ugly. If you think your fellow citizens are “complacent people” who only need working cable to be kept pacified, think again.

 

[Eric_Hyom]

Eric_Hyom:

There are car magazines that specialise in certain kinds of cars, why should they be penalised if they don’t include all kinds of cars?

I guess once cars develop feelings and rational thought and begin to express dissatisfaction that they’re left out of a magazine, then this would be relevant.

Fair enough, but we wouldn’t expect a Muslim magazine to publish articles on Christianity or Hinduism. Likewise, why should a Christian paper have to print anything about Islam?

Is this discrimination if we don’t?