LGBT Day of Silence -April 19th-will your child participate?

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Are you kidding me? Since when are classes “open to the public”? It’s not a movie or a play, it’s a class.
They are in my district. I’m not saying that they public is supposed to come in droves to watch pre-calc, but parents are totally allowed to sit in on any class they want to. Parents of potential students are allowed to tour the school and sit in on classes. Students from the university and staff members from other buildings are allowed to come and observe teachers and classrooms. Yes, classes are meant to be open to the public in that sense. There is no reasonable expectation of confidentiality in a normal classroom setting.
 
I do not blame the parent in this situation. They are not responsible. As a matter of policy they have zero imput and even the ability to monitor the class. I am not suggesting that parents “walk in and out,” only that they be allowed to monitor classes** forced** upon** their** children if they see a need.

And yes, the more I hear, the less I care for our public education system, primarily because it has less and less to do with actual education each year.
I think you are taking a few problems that people report and blowing them out of proportion. The vast majority of our teachers are interested in nothing more than educating our students.

I want to be allowed in my child’s school, and I am, it is even encouraged for parents to participate. That being said, I do not want parents to come to any class whenever they feel like it as I believe this would disrupt the learning process.

Here is the radical idea that I use for finding out what is going on in my kids’ school - I ask them.
 
No, but she does do the Pro-Life day of of Silent Solidarity in October.
Let me clarify. There are teens at her school do this. The school does not endorse it or prevent it -yes its a public school. Just like when my daughter does the Pro-Life day of of Silent Solidarity in October along with a few other students they do not endorse it or prevent it. Although at parent teacher conferences one of her teachers praised her greatly for doing it. She also went to The March for Life in Washington and she missed school to do it. Teachers were again positive. Not every public school can be painted with the same brush. This year the school brought in Pam Stenzel to speak to the students on abstinence. And had a separate evening for her to speak with the parents. pamstenzel.com/
If this LGBT Day was promoted by the school -my daughter would not be at the school that day and they would be hearing from me.
 
Any topic that “wouldn’t work” if a parent were allowed to observe or to review material is not a topic for a high school classroom. Those are topics for the counselors office or a therapy group.
Take four parents: a traditionalist from CAF, a Jew, an adherent of Shia Islam and an atheist.

“OK class, we’re going to be discussing the Crusades today…”

There’s a huge difference between teaching subject matter in a fair and objective manner and the total avoidance of anything that could potentially offend a group of unhinged people with different worldviews. Sorry, if you’re not a teacher then you just don’t get it. Try dealing with a racist parent who doesn’t want you to cover the civil rights movement in an American history class. I have. It’s not fun.
 
originally posted by rayne89
Let me clarify. There are teens at her school do this. The school does not endorse it or prevent it -yes its a public school. Just like when my daughter does the Pro-Life day of of Silent Solidarity in October along with a few other students they do not endorse it or prevent it. Although at parent teacher conferences one of her teachers praised her greatly for doing it. She also went to The March for Life in Washington and she missed school to do it. Teachers were again positive. Not every public school can be painted with the same brush. This year the school brought in Pam Stenzel to speak to the students on abstinence. And had a separate evening for her to speak with the parents. pamstenzel.com/
If this LGBT Day was promoted by the school -my daughter would not be at the school that day and they would be hearing from me.
Is this a catholic school? I just wonder why they have to have this event at all since bullying should just be that and not GLSEN bullying - doesn’t make sense.

Didn’t realize Pam Stenzel is still doing talks but again that was at night.
 
I don’t like the groups overall agenda. At the same time, I don’t see a problem with kids participating in something that brings awareness to bullying and name calling issues. Bullying is morally wrong and we should do what we can to bring an end to it.
I think what happens is that you have so many gays and lesbians enduring cruel treatment in school, that when they move to confront this issue, then of course they are going to tackle it from their own perspective. So, it doesn’t surprise me and actually, I have no problem with what they’re doing…
I generally agree with these posts.
At the same time, why haven’t we developed a universal program for this already? Wouldn’t God look favorably upon such a program? Yet we sit on our heels. 🤷
I think we should.

At the same time, I don’t oppose particular awareness. Yes, all bullying is wrong. All bullying should be addressed. But bullying often takes particular forms, so I think it’s worthwhile to say “All bullying is wrong, and that means it is wrong to bully someone simply because she is Asian/he is gay/she is a girl/he is a Muslim” and so forth.

Similarly, I think all sexual immorality is wrong. But I don’t think awareness should stop at a general “all sexual immorality is bad, practice chastity.” I think we do have to have times and places to address particular forms of sexual immorality, such as watching/reading pornography, using contraception, masturbating, and so forth. These can overlap, but they need not-- a person can commit adultery without watching porn or fornicate without using contraception, and that means some aspects of the problem probably should be addressed differently and specifically.

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Picture of school - do schools have a wall with posters as it seems this is very visible and do they do the same for those opposed to abortion in the school?

facebook.com/NationalDayofSilence
It isn’t their responsibility to seek that out. Now if students get together and want to do it and the school says no because of the pro life content of the posters, than that would be an issue. But there’s no reason to think a student ever approached the school about this, much less been told no.
 
originally posted by BlueEyedLady
It isn’t their responsibility to seek that out. Now if students get together and want to do it and the school says no because of the pro life content of the posters, than that would be an issue. But there’s no reason to think a student ever approached the school about this, much less been told no.
How can they have a whole wall with a display saying “silent no more” and then say no to another group requesting a similar display. There are so many pictures taken at schools and they may not to openly displayed but this is a whole wall in the school so I hope students do approach these same schools on abortion but I bet we would never hear if they were rejected.

8000 schools participate so 8000 schools should also have events opposing abortion.
 
How can they have a whole wall with a display saying “silent no more” and then say no to another group requesting a similar display. There are so many pictures taken at schools and they may not to openly displayed but this is a whole wall in the school so I hope students do approach these same schools on abortion but I bet we would never hear if they were rejected.

8000 schools participate so 8000 schools should also have events opposing abortion.
Um, they can’t say no, that’s the point.

But Day of Silence is not organized by schools, it’s organized solely by students in schools. If a pro life group wanted to do the same they would be able to.

Now if the school sponsored this, and they don’t for obvious reasons, but if they did and they were asked to sponsor something for the other side they would be in one hell of a bind if they said no. Which is why this is done completely by students.
 
A good example of this is how the Fellowship of Christian Athletes will organize a pro-life event. Because it is a student group doing it the school is not obligated to have a pro-choice event to counter it. But if the young feminists organize one then it would be permitted just as the FCA one was allowed.
 
Yet they are allowed to use the school structure to post banners. This banner was posted 1 day ago. I have yet to see these kind of displays at public schools on" life". Maybe I have missed them?

8000 schools with life displays - wouldn’t that be great?
 
They aren’t, nor should they be. Sex ed, drug education, and education about mental illnesses and eating disorders are all taught in a very sensitive manner and in a way that makes students feel comfortable asking and answering questions. Usually the teacher has a rule that if she finds out that one student revealed what another said there are consequences.

It just wouldn’t work to have patents there. Students would not be able to ask questions or share thoughts and experiences freely.
If it is taught in a “very sensitive manner”, then I would think it would be sensitive to parents, too, don’t you? If it is respectful, then obviously it has to be respectful of the rightful position of the parents or legal guardians as the primary educators of citizens who are still minors? Let us remember that we are in a situation in which minors are required by law to attend, and which, especially if they have aspirations for higher education, they have to pass to the teacher’s satisfaction. If the government compels it, then there have to be limits on what the government can do and how much parental control the government can seize for itself. There is serious usurping of authority going on here, all in the name of the sky falling if it is parents and not the local school board who gets ultimate sway over youth.

My kids school, before they did a section on human sexuality, sent a worksheet home that the parent had to fill out during a discussion with the child. Students are given questions that they have to ask their parents, and the assignment is for the parent to write in the answer. This was at a private school, however, so a) everyone had paid for the privilege to be there and b) everyone had agreed by the nature of the school attended on the course content with regards to morals. If the parents did not want their children taught what the bishop said is to be taught, they were free to go elsewhere.

At any rate, no matter how valuable it might be, it is not realistic nor just to make class discussions into some form of “Alcoholics Anonymous”, where everyone is enlisted to listen to everyone else’s deep dark secrets and is sworn to secrecy concerning what they hear. That is appropriate for a group of adults who freely choose to be there, not a group of students who are compelled by law (and perhaps their parents’ financial means) to be there whether they like it or not.

Ah, but the schools say, if this is not done by the school, then how can we trust the parents to provide it? How, indeed! Maybe what is taught to our youth ought not be primarily under the jurisdiction of a mandatory government school system! Yet when this is not so, oh, the administrators and propagandists wring their hands.

Oh, well. They’re just going to have to live with the chance to get it into Cosmopolitan magazine.
 
I confused. Can teachers participate and if so how do they teach.:confused: This is from their Facebook page and looks like a history teacher.
 
I confused. Can teachers participate and if so how do they teach.:confused: This is from their Facebook page and looks like a history teacher.
I actually did a paper on that issue when working on my undergrad. The supreme court has held that high school students and teachers do not leave their religious and political views at the door. However, while teachers can state their opinions, they cannot preach them. So wearing a cross or even making it known that you are a proud Christian is ok. Saying that you would never vote for X candidate is ok. Saying that you think ________ about ________ issue is ok. However, telling kids that they should be Christians, that they should not be against gays, that they should vote for X, is not ok.

So yes, teachers can participate in this, just like they can participate in the day of prayer, they just can’t lead prayer because that could be seen as coercive.

Heck, every student group liberal or conservative has a teacher sponsoring it.
 
I actually did a paper on that issue when working on my undergrad. The supreme court has held that high school students and teachers do not leave their religious and political views at the door. However, while teachers can state their opinions, they cannot preach them. So wearing a cross or even making it known that you are a proud Christian is ok. Saying that you would never vote for X candidate is ok. Saying that you think ________ about ________ issue is ok. However, telling kids that they should be Christians, that they should not be against gays, that they should vote for X, is not ok.

So yes, teachers can participate in this, just like they can participate in the day of prayer, they just can’t lead prayer because that could be seen as coercive.

Heck, every student group liberal or conservative has a teacher sponsoring it.
Well, yes and no. Until 2011, Oregon had a law on the books that forbade teachers from wearing religious dress. Two other states still had one at the time, and as far as I know nothing stops a state from enacting one in the future. It is within the purview of the states to define what teachers may or may not wear, provided that the prohibitions do not target some particular group.

And, just by the way, what did that defender of all freedoms, no matter how perverse, have to say about Oregon’s law forbidding religious garb? According to the ACLU, “[p]ublic schools have a special obligation to ensure an atmosphere that is welcoming to all students and their families regardless of their religious beliefs.” and therefore " “any change or repeal of the Oregon religious dress law may have unintended consequences that could result in an inappropriate expansion of religious activity in our public schools.” (oregonlive.com/opinion/index.ssf/2010/02/aclus_position_on_religious_ga.html)

No, teachers cannot expect equal backing from the administration no matter what their opinions are, and particularly not if those opinions are admittedly religious in their genesis.
 
Take four parents: a traditionalist from CAF, a Jew, an adherent of Shia Islam and an atheist.

“OK class, we’re going to be discussing the Crusades today…”

There’s a huge difference between teaching subject matter in a fair and objective manner and the total avoidance of anything that could potentially offend a group of unhinged people with different worldviews. Sorry, if you’re not a teacher then you just don’t get it. Try dealing with a racist parent who doesn’t want you to cover the civil rights movement in an American history class. I have. It’s not fun.
I AM a teacher and I welcome parents in my classrooms at any time. All I ask is that they observe and not disrupt. If they have questions or concerns we talk about it later. They are also welcome to reveiw any material I present and to meet with me to discuss it.
 
Well, yes and no. Until 2011, Oregon had a law on the books that forbade teachers from wearing religious dress. Two other states still had one at the time, and as far as I know nothing stops a state from enacting one in the future. It is within the purview of the states to define what teachers may or may not wear, provided that the prohibitions do not target some particular group.

And, just by the way, what did that defender of all freedoms, no matter how perverse, have to say about Oregon’s law forbidding religious garb? According to the ACLU, “[p]ublic schools have a special obligation to ensure an atmosphere that is welcoming to all students and their families regardless of their religious beliefs.” and therefore " “any change or repeal of the Oregon religious dress law may have unintended consequences that could result in an inappropriate expansion of religious activity in our public schools.” (oregonlive.com/opinion/index.ssf/2010/02/aclus_position_on_religious_ga.html)

No, teachers cannot expect equal backing from the administration no matter what their opinions are, and particularly not if those opinions are admittedly religious in their genesis.
I’m on my phone right now but I’ll respond in depth later, but I do want to say that there is a big difference between having laws on the books and being able to enforce them. There have been several cases that have determined that public school teachers do have the right to wear a cross.
 
I’m on my phone right now but I’ll respond in depth later, but I do want to say that there is a big difference between having laws on the books and being able to enforce them. There have been several cases that have determined that public school teachers do have the right to wear a cross.
It’s a moot point here, because the statute is gone in our state and was reported going out in the other two states that had it. Nevertheless, in *Cooper v. Eugene School District *(1986), the Supreme Court of Oregon upheld the law against a First Amendment challenge from a Sikh school teacher. The Pennsylvania law was also upheld in the courts. Apparently the reasoning or the jurists was that it furthered the states’ goal of ensuring neutrality with respect to religion in the schools.

States, school districts, and individual schools are not neutral, however, on where they choose to enforce “neutrality.” If the sentiment of policymakers is that a certain attitude needs to be changed among the youth, then “free speech” and “openness” and “dialogue” are the words of the day. If the sentiment is that a certain attitude needs to be protected from challenge, then the effort is to close all mouths on all sides in order to protect the school’s “neutrality”. When that is the way the matter is handled, it is not always easy to mount a legal protest.
 
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