LGBT DAY OF SILENCE - April 19th

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It is not a day that is trying to push the gay agenda, it is a day that is promoting awareness and trying to stop bullying and name calling.

I don’t care what someone has done, there is no room or place for bullying or discrimination. These things are always immoral.

Remember we are called to love the sinner but hate the sin. I do not think schools should be promoting the gay lifestyle as it is morally wrong, but I have no problem with people trying to raise awareness that it is not ok to bully or make fun of those that are gay, as that is also morally wrong.
I hope you don’t really believe this. I am nearly 30 years old and this day was celebrated when I was in high school. There was absolutely no practical distinction between support for homosexual acts and lifestyles and opposing ‘bullying’.

Given present societal circumstances Catholics must be ever on guard against anything the gay community promotes. Catholics should only associate themselves with anything related to “gay anything” that clearly and unequivocally denounces homosexual acts and the homosexual lifestyle as abhorrent and sinful.
 
In another thread, I noted that I’m unaware of any similar Catholic-oriented movement against hatred, bullying, etc.

Meanwhile, a lot of posters are expressing their outrage at the audacity of these people to encourage this action against bullying.

Somehow, somewhere, I do believe we’ve gone off the rails.

If your faith allows you to sit on your hands, turning a blind eye to hatred, to bullying, etc. And if, in fact, it actually encourages you to be outraged at such a movement then what the heck kind of faith is that? Don’t you see anything wrong with that, anything at all?
 
In another thread, I noted that I’m unaware of any similar Catholic-oriented movement against hatred, bullying, etc.

Meanwhile, a lot of posters are expressing their outrage at the audacity of these people to encourage this action against bullying.

Somehow, somewhere, I do believe we’ve gone off the rails.

If your faith allows you to sit on your hands, turning a blind eye to hatred, to bullying, etc. And if, in fact, it actually encourages you to be outraged at such a movement then what the heck kind of faith is that? Don’t you see anything wrong with that, anything at all?
Giving you personal experience with that actual event. Nearly everyone associated with it is supportive of the homosexual lifestyle. We must be discriminating in terms of our associations when we are truly Christ’s emissaries, lest we give even a hint of scandal.

Perhaps you could organize your own event that is a ‘Day of Silence’ against bullying in all forms.

Why single out the homosexual issue? I would wager “most” cases of bullying are not against homosexuals. Frankly, I would probably wager that bullying of gays is on the decrease, while bullying of Catholics and those opposed to the gay lifestyle, is on the increase. So why not simply have a day opposing all forms of bullying?

Your post is misguided because refusing to associate with a particular movement does not equal “sitting on your hands”. I can be opposed to “bullying” homosexuals, though the instances of it are probably far more infrequent than that movement would have you believe, without associating with a movement that is 99-percent pro-homosexual acts/lifestyle. Not that difficult.

What a great witness to the holy faith it would be if a Catholic took the initiative and did something to explain the Church’s teaching on homosexuality in a complete manner:
  • The attraction is disordered affection
  • The acts are gravely sinful
  • Forgiveness and conversion is possible
  • Love the sinner
There is absolutely no need to associate with any movement on so crucial an issue in this day and age that neglects any of the above points. If you neglect point four, it is not in charity. If you neglect points one, two and three, as this movement clearly does, then your message is not Catholic.
 
How you conclude this is not an effort to push the LGBT agenda is beyond me. Of course it is. When was the last time we saw a push for a “day of silence” … in PUBLIC SCHOOLS … for murdered babies? For persecuted Christians? For anti-Catholic rhetoric and hate? I don’t favor bullying either, but seriously … let’s be real here.

Sometimes I truly praise God that I do not have children. What a devastatingly sick society in which we live.
There should be more days to raise awareness of other groups that are being targeted for bullying and hatred. That is not the point of this day. I am not in favor of homosexuality, but I am in favor of not standing for bullying and discrimination no matter who the target is.
 
Always wrong to disrespect or hate.I just don’t believe gay folks are all that disrespected and hated.It is actually celebrated by a large portion of our country now if you haven’t noticed. What you call hatred and disrespect is actually people feeling their values being attacked at every corner. I apologize if you felt attacked in any way. It was not my intention. Btw? Catholics are being attacked as we speak by our very own government because of our refusal to supply birth control on the churches dime.God Bless.
There are homosexuals that are killed for being homosexual. Especially in schools, kids are targeted for bullying and hatred for being gay or thought to be gay. To say that they are not subjected to disrespect and hate is to be ignorant of the current state of society.

The fact that other groups are discriminated against, is reason to speak out in support of those groups as well, it is not a reason to say that speaking out on behalf of another group is bad.
 
In another thread, I noted that I’m unaware of any similar Catholic-oriented movement against hatred, bullying, etc.

Meanwhile, a lot of posters are expressing their outrage at the audacity of these people to encourage this action against bullying.

Somehow, somewhere, I do believe we’ve gone off the rails.

If your faith allows you to sit on your hands, turning a blind eye to hatred, to bullying, etc. And if, in fact, it actually encourages you to be outraged at such a movement then what the heck kind of faith is that? Don’t you see anything wrong with that, anything at all?
I see a lot wrong with it. I do not believe that it is in fact what this faith teaches. I believe our faith teaches that we are supposed to have love and charity for all. We are taught that we are supposed to love sinners and hate their sins. We cannot convert people or bring them to the truth through hatred and fear, but rather only through love.

Let me say this, I could be wrong on how situations like this should be handled. I can accept that as I am a fallible human being. That being said, I would far rather err on the side of being charitable, than on the side of being non-charitable. I believe that to do so is more in keeping with the teachings of Our Lord and His Church.
 
In another thread, I noted that I’m unaware of any similar Catholic-oriented movement against hatred, bullying, etc.

Meanwhile, a lot of posters are expressing their outrage at the audacity of these people to encourage this action against bullying.

Somehow, somewhere, I do believe we’ve gone off the rails.

If your faith allows you to sit on your hands, turning a blind eye to hatred, to bullying, etc. And if, in fact, it actually encourages you to be outraged at such a movement then what the heck kind of faith is that? Don’t you see anything wrong with that, anything at all?
The problem is that you are giving aid and comfort to a movement that promotes an intrinsic evil.

A very insightful observation by the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith pertains here:9. The movement within the Church, which takes the form of pressure groups of various names and sizes, attempts to give the impression that it represents all homosexual persons who are Catholics. As a matter of fact, its membership is by and large restricted to those who either ignore the teaching of the Church or seek somehow to undermine it. It brings together under the aegis of Catholicism homosexual persons who have no intention of abandoning their homosexual behaviour. One tactic used is to protest that any and all criticism of or reservations about homosexual people, their activity and lifestyle, are simply diverse forms of unjust discrimination.

There is an effort in some countries to manipulate the Church by gaining the often well-intentioned support of her pastors with a view to changing civil-statutes and laws. This is done in order to conform to these pressure groups’ concept that homosexuality is at least a completely harmless, if not an entirely good, thing. Even when the practice of homosexuality may seriously threaten the lives and well-being of a large number of people, its advocates remain undeterred and refuse to consider the magnitude of the risks involved.

The Church can never be so callous. It is true that her clear position cannot be revised by pressure from civil legislation or the trend of the moment. But she is really concerned about the many who are not represented by the pro-homosexual movement and about those who may have been tempted to believe its deceitful propaganda. She is also aware that the view that homosexual activity is equivalent to, or as acceptable as, the sexual expression of conjugal love has a direct impact on society’s understanding of the nature and rights of the family and puts them in jeopardy.
  1. It is deplorable that homosexual persons have been and are the object of violent malice in speech or in action. Such treatment deserves condemnation from the Church’s pastors wherever it occurs. It reveals a kind of disregard for others which endangers the most fundamental principles of a healthy society. The intrinsic dignity of each person must always be respected in word, in action and in law.
**But the proper reaction to crimes committed against homosexual persons should not be to claim that the homosexual condition is not disordered. **When such a claim is made and when homosexual activity is consequently condoned, or when civil legislation is introduced to protect behavior to which no one has any conceivable right, neither the Church nor society at large should be surprised when other distorted notions and practices gain ground, and irrational and violent reactions increase.
  1. It has been argued that the homosexual orientation in certain cases is not the result of deliberate choice; and so the homosexual person would then have no choice but to behave in a homosexual fashion. Lacking freedom, such a person, even if engaged in homosexual activity, would not be culpable.
Here, the Church’s wise moral tradition is necessary since it warns against generalizations in judging individual cases. In fact, circumstances may exist, or may have existed in the past, which would reduce or remove the culpability of the individual in a given instance; or other circumstances may increase it. What is at all costs to be avoided is the unfounded and demeaning assumption that the sexual behaviour of homosexual persons is always and totally compulsive and therefore inculpable. What is essential is that the fundamental liberty which characterizes the human person and gives him his dignity be recognized as belonging to the homosexual person as well. As in every conversion from evil, the abandonment of homosexual activity will require a profound collaboration of the individual with God’s liberating grace.
The problem is that when Catholics support a political move by the homosexual lobby, even though those Catholics may have very good intent (to stop people from being picked on), they are, in fact, validating these poor kids (adolescents who believe they are homosexual by nature) misguided beliefs.

And, as the CDF says, “The Church can never be so callous.” And neither should individual members of the Church.
 
The problem is that you are giving aid and comfort to a movement that promotes an intrinsic evil.

A very insightful observation by the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith pertains here:9. The movement within the Church, which takes the form of pressure groups of various names and sizes, attempts to give the impression that it represents all homosexual persons who are Catholics. As a matter of fact, its membership is by and large restricted to those who either ignore the teaching of the Church or seek somehow to undermine it. It brings together under the aegis of Catholicism homosexual persons who have no intention of abandoning their homosexual behaviour. One tactic used is to protest that any and all criticism of or reservations about homosexual people, their activity and lifestyle, are simply diverse forms of unjust discrimination.

There is an effort in some countries to manipulate the Church by gaining the often well-intentioned support of her pastors with a view to changing civil-statutes and laws. This is done in order to conform to these pressure groups’ concept that homosexuality is at least a completely harmless, if not an entirely good, thing. Even when the practice of homosexuality may seriously threaten the lives and well-being of a large number of people, its advocates remain undeterred and refuse to consider the magnitude of the risks involved.

The Church can never be so callous. It is true that her clear position cannot be revised by pressure from civil legislation or the trend of the moment. But she is really concerned about the many who are not represented by the pro-homosexual movement and about those who may have been tempted to believe its deceitful propaganda. She is also aware that the view that homosexual activity is equivalent to, or as acceptable as, the sexual expression of conjugal love has a direct impact on society’s understanding of the nature and rights of the family and puts them in jeopardy.
  1. It is deplorable that homosexual persons have been and are the object of violent malice in speech or in action. Such treatment deserves condemnation from the Church’s pastors wherever it occurs. It reveals a kind of disregard for others which endangers the most fundamental principles of a healthy society. The intrinsic dignity of each person must always be respected in word, in action and in law.
**But the proper reaction to crimes committed against homosexual persons should not be to claim that the homosexual condition **is not disordered. When such a claim is made and when homosexual activity is consequently condoned, or when civil legislation is introduced to protect behavior to which no one has any conceivable right, neither the Church nor society at large should be surprised when other distorted notions and practices gain ground, and irrational and violent reactions increase.
  1. It has been argued that the homosexual orientation in certain cases is not the result of deliberate choice; and so the homosexual person would then have no choice but to behave in a homosexual fashion. Lacking freedom, such a person, even if engaged in homosexual activity, would not be culpable.
Here, the Church’s wise moral tradition is necessary since it warns against generalizations in judging individual cases. In fact, circumstances may exist, or may have existed in the past, which would reduce or remove the culpability of the individual in a given instance; or other circumstances may increase it. What is at all costs to be avoided is the unfounded and demeaning assumption that the sexual behaviour of homosexual persons is always and totally compulsive and therefore inculpable. What is essential is that the fundamental liberty which characterizes the human person and gives him his dignity be recognized as belonging to the homosexual person as well. As in every conversion from evil, the abandonment of homosexual activity will require a profound collaboration of the individual with God’s liberating grace.
The problem is that when Catholics support a political move by the homosexual lobby, even though those Catholics may have very good intent (to stop people from being picked on), they are, in fact, validating these poor kids (adolescents who believe they are homosexual by nature) misguided beliefs.

And, as the CDF says, “The Church can never be so callous.” And neither should individual members of the Church.
I would like to point out that the Church actually considered the concept of homosexuality as having biological origins in the 1950s, in the end they decided to shelve it. The etiology of the tendencies is irrelevant to the morality of the actions.
 
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This is a day used to bring forth and acknowledge the problem of bullying especially towards LGBT youth. How on earth does that promote the gay agenda? It starts conversations about any kind of bullying being hateful, at least in my classroom. 🤷
If there is no gay agenda, then why is it called LGBT DAY OF SILENCE?

Perhaps you didn’t know, LGBT stands for Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgender. If its a day to promote anti bullying in all groups of people, well my goodness they forgot to add H = heterosexual.

I wonder why they forgot to include those that are heterosexual? Why is that?

ThomasPeter left this link:

illinoisfamily.org/homosexuality/homosexual-activist-admits-true-purpose-of-battle-is-to-destroy-marriage/

Which by the way was a very good article about a radio article with homosexual activist, Masha Gessen and I will quote what she states in case you just don’t feel like reading the article. Masha Gessen states,“It’s a no-brainer that (homosexual activists) should have the right to marry, but I also think equally that it’s a no-brainer that the institution of marriage should not exist. …(F)ighting for gay marriage generally involves lying about what we are going to do with marriage when we get there — because we lie that the institution of marriage is not going to change, and that is a lie. The institution of marriage is going to change, and it should change. And again, I don’t think it should exist."

Well kozlosap what about my rights as a heterosexual who thinks marriage should exist the way that God created it?

Man did not create marriage, God did, so what right does man have to change it or reinvent it the way he thinks it should be?

If the homosexual activists hidden agenda is to completely eliminate the traditional marriage that God created…then tell me who’s rights are being taken away?

God have mercy on us all!
 
There are homosexuals that are killed for being homosexual. Especially in schools, kids are targeted for bullying and hatred for being gay or thought to be gay. **To say that they are not subjected to disrespect and hate is to be ignorant of the current state of society. **The fact that other groups are discriminated against, is reason to speak out in support of those groups as well, it is not a reason to say that speaking out on behalf of another group is bad.
Never said they weren’t. But let me ask you. Is it already wrong to bully anybody for anything? If you work in a school you should know that the anti-bullying programs are already in place.Making a rule or a law for one very small group of people when there is already a rule in place thats supposed to protect them is giving them this protected status that they really don’t need. I put this in the same category as excess gun control legislation.Makes people feel good but doesn’t work because the legislation in place isn’t enforced to begin with.
 
And this campaign against bullying “gays” is like saying that other kinds of bullying are acceptable and that the only kind not acceptable is when it happens to “gays” which is giving them a special protected social status.
Do you have some examples of someone saying that other bullying is acceptable? Because I have NEVER seen or heard that said.
 
To all of you who are responding ‘why is this singling out the LGBT community? everyone gets bullied.’ I would submit that this is not just about bullying, but about the acts of violence that the LGBT community has sustained. I was bullied in school too. I was never beat up and left for dead because of who I was attracted to.
Your objection was already refuted on the first page of this thread with this:
Then call it what it is then. When you call something LGBT DAY OF SILENCE,people naturally draw conclusions that its exclusive to LGBT! How about “DONT BE A BULLY DAY”? I don’t believe for a second that this day of silence is about not bullying. It would be called that if it were. God Bless.
 
Do you have some examples of someone saying that other bullying is acceptable? Because I have NEVER seen or heard that said.
If they wanted to say that all forms of bullying are wrong they would say that and not make it specific to a single group for special protection especially since in reality straight kids get bullied at least as much as “gays” do. I know this from personal experience since as a straight kid I got bullied a lot. The notion that people get bullied because of “sexual orientation” ignores the root cause of bullying which is because there is something about them that isn’t like the rest of the group. When being “gay” is considered the norm more straight kids will probably start getting bullied for being the different ones. We already see the government bullying Christians for being different than the secular amoral status quo.
 
Catholics are infinitely more persecuted in the present United States (for holding the TRUE teachings of the Catholic faith) and around the world than are homosexuals. Don’t buy their nonsense.
 
I wish I could go one day without hearing about homosexuality and gay marriage.

There are endless stories about it on the radio and TV news. It is in every newspaper, magazine and news website. Even CAF seems to be obsessed with discussing homosexuality and gay marriage.

I would welcome a day of silence where it wasn’t discussed.

-Tim-
Does not fit the agenda.
 
This is a day used to bring forth and acknowledge the problem of bullying especially towards LGBT youth. How on earth does that promote the gay agenda? It starts conversations about any kind of bullying being hateful, at least in my classroom. 🤷
The fact we would identify youth with these strange ideological terms is wrong at the start.
 
Wow, just Wow! "Your use of the word “them” is very troubling. I’m a straight person, but I’m surely not a part of the “us” in your post. :confused:
Does every single word need to be parsed out, analyzed in a pedantic way, and compared to the liberal narrative?
 
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