Liberal Catholicism

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Hi

I believe aleast around here there are a fair number of people that call themselves catholic.
But do not believe in the teachings of the church or listen to what the Pope says.
Others say “just let the Holy Spirit guide you”
And my favorite “I don’t sin”

What are they are called?

Thanks & God Bless; Kathy
 
Spiller said:
The famed Catholic Liturgical Spreadsheet might provide some insight liturgicalspreadsheet.tripod.com/catholicspreadsheet.pdf
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RB2 said:
famous liberal Catholics and others who seem to support abortion:

Martin Sheen
Phil Donahue
Marlo Thomas
Morgan Fairchild

any or all Catholic Democrat Politicians and ordinary democratic voting folk.
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ORDINARY DEMOCRATIC VOTING FOLK??? Well, I never:D Of course I don’t plan to vote this time, unless I do a write in, or vote for the Conservative Party’s candidate.:rolleyes:
 
Spiller said:
The famed Catholic Liturgical Spreadsheet might provide some insight liturgicalspreadsheet.tripod.com/catholicspreadsheet.pdf
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What is this? This is a laugh.

Did you guys hear that? We traditional Catholics are “heterodox!”

I didn’t know liking the EF and maniples, and other facets of Catholic tradition made one heterodox.

How would you guys feel if I set up a “hippy bash” spreadsheet?

You guys need to quit calling people unorthodox. People who are coming on this forum asking legitimate questions bout the EF are going to get the wrong impression about their legitimate, papally-approved preference and perspective.
 
Spiller said:
Your personal definitions missed one. It’s the group I belong to. We are known as the orthodox Catholic Christians:

We would find labels like “traditional”, “conservative” and “liberal/progressive” rather ludicrous if they were not so stultified and divisive. We pray for those who use such labels to gain the wisdom necessary to understand the harm their use does and the absolute lack of good that comes from their use. We are not “traditionalists”, “conservatives”, “liberals” or “progressives” – we are Catholics!
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I award this post with the weekly “wow! that was condescending” award. Congratulations!
 
I think i may have put myself into a newly formed Catholic subgroup.

While taking the quiz i was gradually more frustrated in not totally agreeing with any of the given answers. So my resonse was to become gradually more ‘conservative’ with my own answers.

I hereby confess to being a defensive / reactionary Catholic !! 😃
 
joeybaggz said:
I agree. That test had to be written by a protestant, or by a catholic with an agenda. On half the questions I had to pick an answer that was a little more conservative or liberal than my actual position. Scored a 93 but probably should have been closer to 85.
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I was honest with myself, and with God, and scored an 82. 👍

I agree with joey. This was clearly written by someone with an agenda, probably a tradtionalist one. The scoring system in itself dictates this.

We all, consciously or subconsciously, believe that the higher the “score” on something, the “better” right? (except for golf).

I wonder how folks would have reacted, if the scoring system were mirrored? ie: The lowest score made you more traditional?

Clearly this was arranged so that if you made 100, you are a “perfect” Catholic. (in the “traditional” camp, of course)

:whistle: :whistle: :whistle: :yawn: :yawn: :yawn:
 
I think it is also fair to point out that “liberal” also has a classical usage that has no negative conotation. In theology, the liberals are the ones who look for change in doctrine, not to deny, but refine. This is a slow process that spans generations. If it were not for liberal theologians, we would not have the Marian dogmas we have today, we would not understand transubstantiation, etc.

Of course, most speculation is dismissed eventually and some comes close, but not quite making doctrine, like Limbo. There is nothing wrong with liberal theology in its proper place, namely, academic speculation. It has no place in the parish or being promulgated through back door media channels.
 
You cannot be liberal and be a true Catholic. They are both opposite ends of the spectrum. If you follow liberal dogma you will either fall into heresy or schism(Catholics for a free choice, etc)

Catholics who claim to be liberal frustrate me more than anything.
 
ethelzguy said:
I was honest with myself, and with God, and scored an 82. 👍

I agree with joey. This was clearly written by someone with an agenda, probably a tradtionalist one. The scoring system in itself dictates this.

We all, consciously or subconsciously, believe that the higher the “score” on something, the “better” right? (except for golf).

I wonder how folks would have reacted, if the scoring system were mirrored? ie: The lowest score made you more traditional?

Clearly this was arranged so that if you made 100, you are a “perfect” Catholic. (in the “traditional” camp, of course)

:whistle: :whistle: :whistle: :yawn: :yawn: :yawn:
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my score is 80. Well, it’s very interesting but some questions made me confused.
 
pnewton said:
I think it is also fair to point out that “liberal” also has a classical usage that has no negative conotation. In theology, the liberals are the ones who look for change in doctrine, not to deny, but refine. This is a slow process that spans generations. If it were not for liberal theologians, we would not have the Marian dogmas we have today, we would not understand transubstantiation, etc.

Of course, most speculation is dismissed eventually and some comes close, but not quite making doctrine, like Limbo. There is nothing wrong with liberal theology in its proper place, namely, academic speculation. It has no place in the parish or being promulgated through back door media channels.
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Absolutely…

Far too many try to apply the “liberal” political label to the Church and it simply isn’t accurate. Even within that context the great majority of Catholics have always identified with the Democratic party in the USA until the party chose being on the wrong side of the abortion issue as a litmus test to candidacy – although that is changing, thanks be to God.
 
PetersKeys said:
You cannot be liberal and be a true Catholic. They are both opposite ends of the spectrum. If you follow liberal dogma you will either fall into heresy or schism(Catholics for a free choice, etc)

Catholics who claim to be liberal frustrate me more than anything.
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Pure garbage.

I honestly don’t know if you are kidding around or if you are truly that ignorant but one most certainly be a “liberal” – religiously or politically and be a good Catholic Christian.

Liberals built the Church in the USA. Poll any Mass in the USA in 1950 and see just what the Democratic/Republican ratio was…

In fact within the political arena the values of the Democratic Party (with the specific exception of the abortion issue) are often far more in tune with the tenets of Catholic Christianity than is the GOP.

People who make flat-out stultified comments about “Catholics” frustrate me more than just about anything else.
 
Spiller said:
Sometimes the truth can be a bit unpleasant…
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Wow… maybe THAT shoul dhave won the award. Your posts are the most arrogant i have ever read on this forum. You claim to know the truth? You have some sort of mystical access to it that the rest of us dont. Even your little spreadsheet gag shows your utter arrogance and lack of understanding of anyone else around you.

You criticize us for using labels, which are simple and effective ways to help us understand ourselves and our beliefs, but you use labels just as much as we do, and in a much worse way. Your childish spreadsheet even proves it. You label yourself ‘orthodox’ and anyone who disagrees with you is labeled ‘wrong.’

Well, I have to stop and wonder, what is wrong with you?
Spiller said:
Pure garbage.

I honestly don’t know if you are kidding around or if you are truly that ignorant but one most certainly be a “liberal” – religiously or politically and be a good Catholic Christian.

Liberals built the Church in the USA. Poll any Mass in the USA in 1950 and see just what the Democratic/Republican ratio was…

In fact within the political arena the values of the Democratic Party (with the specific exception of the abortion issue) are often far more in tune with the tenets of Catholic Christianity than is the GOP.

People who make flat-out stultified comments about “Catholics” frustrate me more than just about anything else.
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Yup, there you go, once again… someone disagrees with you, so pull out those labels… ignorant…garbage…wrong…etc etc. The democratic party of the 1950s has so little to do with the democratic party of today. Looking at your post, I don’t believe you know enough about politcs to make the claims you’re trying to make. And i study politcs, so I think I’m justified in saying that. You need to hit the books some more, and learn some history. Believe it or not, you can be wrong, too.
 
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