Liberal Jesuits?

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I was reading an articale on the Jesuits and one of the subsections was how the Jesuits are “Liberal” in the theological sense. Does anyone know what, in general, tends to be the Jesuit theological position? Thanks and God bless.
 
There are Jesuits all across the spectrum. There is Cardinal Avery Dulles and Father Mitch Pacwa on the conservative side and many of the academics are on the liberal side. I was married by a Jesuit to at PhD candidate at a Jesuit church in a Jesuit school, so I’m a fan.

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I was reading an articale on the Jesuits and one of the subsections was how the Jesuits are “Liberal” in the theological sense. Does anyone know what, in general, tends to be the Jesuit theological position? Thanks and God bless.
The Jesuits, for the most part, are not very friendly towards the traditionalists. I hear their status with the Vatican has been up and down through many decades as well. God bless.
 
The Jesuits, for the most part, are not very friendly towards the traditionalists. I hear their status with the Vatican has been up and down through many decades as well. God bless.
Is there any particular turning point where this non-friendliness of Jesuits towards traditionalists started? Anybody with a reference from historical events or theological development?
 
I went to a Jesuit High School. I always tried to be a sincere and devout Catholic. As such, I was often at odds with many of my instructors; lay and religious. Several years after I graduated, I read a book by Malachi Martin, titled: “The Jesuits…” I was shocked at how accurate his descriptions were of “Jesuit Education.” For example: he outlined nearly letter for letter and word for word the instruction I received on the sacraments. It was as though he was writing from my own classroom notes from sophomore theology. During those years, I thought it was simply more Catholic heterodoxy, but after reading that book, I realized it was quite a bit more organized and systemic than that.

Since reading that book, I have read several other histories of the Jesuits and their founder. I have consumed book after book and article after article written by Jesuit priests and brothers. I can say with all honesty and complete sadness that the Jesuit order is in grave trouble.

Despite warnings and censure, many in their ranks continuously scoff at the authority of the Pope and the magisterium. The order has been hijacked by those who seem to want nothing more than to promote anti-papalism, anti-Catholicism, the homosexual agenda, and any other heterodox position.

While it brings me no joy to write these things, I think that we too often refrain from commentary in order to avoid hostility toward others or criticizing others in the Church. However, it is my observation that many, if not most in the Jesuit order and those like them, would use our silence to further their own agenda.

I have heard individuals on EWTN and other orthodox outlets criticize Malachi Martin as a firebrand or a dooms-dayer. But his book spoke the truth about the Jesuits; the truth as I witnessed it first-hand. A good and devout Jesuit is a beautiful thing, but increasingly rare. I love Fr. Mitch, Cardinal Dulles, and those like them, but they are the exception rather than the rule. I have met several other orthodox Jesuits over the years and they relate the very same problems that I have touched on here. Many of them have even explained in detail the cancer that has overcome their order. More than one told me of his ordeal with homosexuals and other deviants. More than one told me that he was labeled a trouble-maker, too rigid, and even sent to counseling.

In truth, as stated in Martin’s book, Ignatius Loyola himself would never be admitted to the Jesuits of today.
 
Kinda sad when you think about it… aren’t Jesuits supposed to be the ones who are more intellectual & geared to teaching/academics?

Pray for more men who will remain faithful to Christ & the teachings of His Catholic Church that will join the Society of Jesus!

In Christ,
Zac
 
I also have heard that the Jesuits tend to be more liberal which is very sad. I personally do not believe that a person can be both liberal (theologically) and an orthodox Catholic at the same time. I have always been a conservative. I always will be a conservative. I know this for a fact. Now, when I say that I am a conservative, I mean that I am conservative theologically. I am also an orthodox Catholic. I have always had strong feelings about those who are unorthodox (heterodox) Catholics and they are not good feelings. I personally think that if a person is going to be a part of a religion, they either need to accept all of the defined doctrines/dogmas or none of them and not be a part of the religion. But, that’s just my own opinion.
 
I went to a Jesuit High School. I always tried to be a sincere and devout Catholic. As such, I was often at odds with many of my instructors; lay and religious. Several years after I graduated, I read a book by Malachi Martin, titled: “The Jesuits…” I was shocked at how accurate his descriptions were of “Jesuit Education.” For example: he outlined nearly letter for letter and word for word the instruction I received on the sacraments. It was as though he was writing from my own classroom notes from sophomore theology. During those years, I thought it was simply more Catholic heterodoxy, but after reading that book, I realized it was quite a bit more organized and systemic than that.

Since reading that book, I have read several other histories of the Jesuits and their founder. I have consumed book after book and article after article written by Jesuit priests and brothers. I can say with all honesty and complete sadness that the Jesuit order is in grave trouble.

Despite warnings and censure, many in their ranks continuously scoff at the authority of the Pope and the magisterium. The order has been hijacked by those who seem to want nothing more than to promote anti-papalism, anti-Catholicism, the homosexual agenda, and any other heterodox position.

While it brings me no joy to write these things, I think that we too often refrain from commentary in order to avoid hostility toward others or criticizing others in the Church. However, it is my observation that many, if not most in the Jesuit order and those like them, would use our silence to further their own agenda.

I have heard individuals on EWTN and other orthodox outlets criticize Malachi Martin as a firebrand or a dooms-dayer. But his book spoke the truth about the Jesuits; the truth as I witnessed it first-hand. A good and devout Jesuit is a beautiful thing, but increasingly rare. I love Fr. Mitch, Cardinal Dulles, and those like them, but they are the exception rather than the rule. I have met several other orthodox Jesuits over the years and they relate the very same problems that I have touched on here. Many of them have even explained in detail the cancer that has overcome their order. More than one told me of his ordeal with homosexuals and other deviants. More than one told me that he was labeled a trouble-maker, too rigid, and even sent to counseling.

In truth, as stated in Martin’s book, Ignatius Loyola himself would never be admitted to the Jesuits of today.
I attend a Jesuit University, and their liberal education, their willingness to adapt to a changing world and their aptness and emphasis on being globally educated has made me a more holistic person and these so called “Anti-Catholics” with their “homosexual agenda” have opened my eyes and renewed my faith by recognizing that we are not the only faith and religion in this world. I’ve never met more devout Catholics than Jesuits to quite honest and I was born and raised in a Hispanic Catholic home. JESUITS SHOULD BE PROUD OF THEIR LIBERAL TEACHING AND OPEN- MINDEDNESS. It sure saved my life.
 
I’m no very well learned on Jesuits but from what I’ve read some people say that Fr. Richard Rohr is on the liberal side.
 
I currently attend a Jesuit high school and recently attended a retreat and this is what I have found:

I personally love the Jesuits, they recongnize that the Church is important, but it is not the be-all and end-all of life. The Sacraments and following every single rite and rule to the letter of the law is not necessary, but rather helps us to become closer to God in the best way possible. I declare myself a good Catholic, but St. Paul said it himself, following the rules of a certain religion doesnt get you into heaven, heaven is a gift, and is one that can only be received by the grace of God. I think that the Church should listen more to the Jesuits, and I think that the Church is more of a help than an absolute necessity.
 
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