Not at all. Being a Catholic is a religion under the leadership of the Pope. It is not a political affiliation. There should be one, true Catholic Church with no variations. We are not allowed to pick and choose the doctrines or disciplines that we will follow.
I am with you on this. The Holy Spirit is directing you . Powerful sermon Shiphrae. Never stop proclaiming the truth.I think that there is a fine line between finding fault in others and being vigilant and aware of the truth of what is going on in our community and for that matter in the whole world. Yes, we should not always be negative and picky with our neighbour but on the other hand we have to be ever aware of the truth.
The devil works on people who go by the old adage ‘see no evil, hear no evil, …’. He can work his evil ways very easily under those conditions. He has free rein. Much of the liberalism that exists now within the Church is easy to miss. It’s very subtle. That’s exactly what makes it so dangerous.
We need to fight the good fight and not let the Church be ignored because some people want to run things their own way. Jesus said, ‘I am the Good Shepherd and I know my flock and my flock knows me’. Then he entrusted all to Peter. So we must follow His leadership and keep watch. We must lead the whole Church back to Him.
Peace of Christ,
Shiphrae
Pax Domini sit semper tecum.
How does this philosphy account for the different orders? What about Charismatic Catholics? Different diosceses may have different practices as well (I remember feeling I “stood out” when I went to kneel in San Jose, CA, once only to find the rest of the congregation standing.)? I believe there are indeed different ways to experience and express our Catholic faith.
As wonderful as I think EWTN is in many ways, sometimes I am afraid they are polarizing far too many people with a brand of fundamentalist Catholicism that appeals to the same sort of person that fundamentalist Protestantism does. Those searching for reductionism rather than the truth.
I also notice a bit of this as well. You said it perfectly.
You’ve got to be kidding. This is laughable. I’ve been on these forums long enough to know that this statement is not only NOT true but ridiculous. Cherry pickers are on both sides of the fence my friend. This has been proven on here many times.
If we are going to make wide broad brush strokes here then lets do it from the liberal side as well, shall we?
To make a point:
Conservative Catholics=Pro-life, Pro-life, Pro-life, Pro-life…uh wait…oh ya social justice and feeding the hungry might be a good thing, but pro-life, pro-life, pro-life! If you want to be the best Catholic in the world, wear a veil (if you’re a woman) only listen to chant in Mass and constantly quote the most conservative Bishops through out history. And keep using the word Protestant as pegorative.
liberal Catholic= social justice, against death plenty (Imagine that) ecumenical, oh the horrors
Mix together and get a good Catholictoo many on these forums try and fit their political party with their faith.
Yes, I am aware that there is extremists liberals out there who would like go against Catholic teaching and actually change things. I am also aware that there on extremists conservatives who would like us all in veils and going back to anything pre-VACII.
You cannot say you are a good obeying Catholic if you do not embrace EVERYTHING that is taught, not just one tasty cherry.
The poster was correct. EWTN can lean on the extremist side at times. Thus far, I have seen nothing on social justice on EWTN, nothing on how horrible the death plenty is, nothing against the war. If you have, then please point me to the program. It’s possible I’ve missed it.
I don’t see them supporting the Bishops, " faithful citizenship" either. Raymond from world over sure didn’t seem to like it.
It’s all about balance my fellow Catholics and following everything that is taught.
External practices of worship are not the issue. These are superficial differences.
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Conservative Catholics=Pro-life, Pro-life, Pro-life, Pro-life…uh wait…oh ya social justice and feeding the hungry might be a good thing, but pro-life, pro-life, pro-life! If you want to be the best Catholic in the world, wear a veil (if you’re a woman) only listen to chant in Mass and constantly quote the most conservative Bishops through out history. And keep using the word Protestant as pegorative.
I would take it that you consider yourself more liberal than conservative?liberal Catholic= social justice, against death plenty (Imagine that
Good questions! I don’t really think that the poster has much of an idea what I’m talking about. The only thing that I could respond to is the social justice. I don’t believe that Catholicism should be mainly about social justice. Jesus worked to help human problems when He was on earth but it was by no means His main purpose. He spent much of His time teaching. We cannot reduce the Church to the purpose of social work. And this is what it seems to be about for many Catholics today.
I agree. The Church’s mission is to be a witness to God’s new covenant with us. If the root of social justice is not this witness, or divine forgiveness, then you set yourself up with working towards a mere ‘earthly’ social justice which, by its very nature, will fail.
Well done good and faithful servant of the truth. Boldly proclaim what needs to be said.
I would take it that you consider yourself more liberal than conservative?
I consider myself a moderate. If there is any church teaching I have trouble with, I struggle and pray. But I remain obedient. I hope that answers your question. I am not an extremist like many I see on these forums.
Nor should it only be about pro-life and policing the liturgy. Conservatives often avoid the teachings of the Church if it sounds “too liberal” And liberals will do the same thing with other teachings. I’ve been on these forums long enough to see this over and over again.
Are you quoting something or is this a personal opinion? I’m curious. It sounds like you are trying to justify avoiding certain teachings. Sorry if I am wrong.
If you read my former posts, you will see that I am not talking about pro-life (even though I certainly think that it is very important). I’m also not talking about methods used in the liturgy. However, we DO have to see that it is done according to the teachings of the Pope.
**Alan - I’m glad you have such a close relationship with your parish priest to be able to discuss matters with him in the confessional, but do you think that is the proper place for such discussions? You are there for repentence and to have your sins forgiven. Then again, maybe you were needed there at that particular time and the Holy Spirit worked through you to him to clarify his own prejudices and biases. Who knows? For me, however, having discussions like that in a confessional would bother me because it would keep me from true repentence and have my mind wander to other matters instead of my own sinfulness.
**I had already confessed my sins. I am a sinner and I try to go to confession at least once a week. Often times when i go there are hardly any other people waiting. I often go to several different parishes in the area and you know the same situation is present everywhere i go. Very short lines to confession. Yes I truely believe that I was moved by the Holy Spirit to ask the priest if he was preaching the importance of the sacrament of reconcilliation. I have prayed about this for months and months and I can not remain silent on this issue and so many other issues that define the disunity and complacency that is rampant in our church today.**Alan - I’m glad you have such a close relationship with your parish priest to be able to discuss matters with him in the confessional, but do you think that is the proper place for such discussions? You are there for repentence and to have your sins forgiven. Then again, maybe you were needed there at that particular time and the Holy Spirit worked through you to him to clarify his own prejudices and biases. Who knows? For me, however, having discussions like that in a confessional would bother me because it would keep me from true repentence and have my mind wander to other matters instead of my own sinfulness.
