Liberalism in the Catholic Church

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I believe that everyone involved should be held legally liable. But the parishioners and future generations should not be made to suffer for the sins of others. To me it is like holding me liable for the auto accident someone on my street had only because I live on the same street.
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But the sins of the fathers shall be visited on the sons, even to the fifth generation. And these priests are our spiritual fathers.
In any case who says the law is fair.
 
Flatlander said:
But the sins of the fathers shall be visited on the sons, even to the fifth generation. And these priests are our spiritual fathers.
In any case who says the law is fair.
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Old Testament. The new one made us each responsible for our own actions.
 
KathleenElsie said:
Old Testament. The new one made us each responsible for our own actions.
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If you read the book ‘Jesus of Nazareth’ by Pope Benedict, you will see that nothing is changed from the Old Testament. The New and Old Testament interrelates Jesus said something like, ‘I came not to abolish the law but to fulfill it’.

Peace of Christ,
Shiphrae 🙂
 
My husband and I watched one of Father Corapi’s talks on EWTN, this morning. We were horrified to find out that a large number of bishops in Canada declared their refusal to go along with ‘Humanae Vitae’. We found this site on internet:

militesveritatis.blogspot.com/2006/10/tragedy-at-winnipeg-canadian-catholic.html

I had written to our bishop approximately one month ago. So far I have not received an answer. So today I emailed our bishop to ask if he agrees with the bishops who dissented.

I am Canadian and I want to ask anyone who is also Canadian on this board to write to his or her bishop. It is very important to declare our faithfulness to the Pope. One of the doctrines of the Church is accepting his leadership. I don’t see how the bishops who go against the teachings of the Pope can really believe that they are true Catholics.

Peace in Christ,
Shiphrae 🙂
 
Shiphrae said:
Hi everyone,
I am having trouble dealing with the fact that there seems to be so little understanding in my area for people who want to get past the cofortable, easy-going catholicism that exists. Since I started watching EWTN, I find that we are surrounded with liberal catholics. The idea seems to be that working for a few common problems such as the environment and poverty is all that is needed. My husband and I for the last few years had been members of a parish that now I find is so far from traditional catholicism. We were members of the Stephen Ministry in the parish. Much of the time I found the meetings discouraging. Even the leaders expressed thoughts about there being no difference between catholics and other christians. When I brought up issues that I thought needed to be discussed, I was hushed. No one seemed to want to face the fact of problems existing.
Now in my own family, I am getting the same response.
I posted my thoughts in an ‘ask a sister’ forum and got an angry response. I got told that if I am looking for the perfect church, I should wait until I am 6 feet under. The sister said that there is no perfect church on this earth. I believe this is wrong. The One True Church led by the Holy Spirit IS perfect.
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This is not the teaching of the Church, which is just as well, because to say it is is say what is meaningless. The sister was right on this point.​

Christ Himself was not perfect, not perfected, until His Glorification - yet He was sinless. That alone is perfect, which cannot become better.

The Church is far from being perfect - her pilgrimage is not yet over, she has not attained her heavenly homeland, the elect have not all been converted to Christ, her work is not finished, she is not yet full-grown, her virtues could be more virtuous, she is full of flaws & sins & abuses & evils, & always in need of repentance & conversion as long as she is on earth. A perfect Church knows nothing of abuses of any kind, far less is it stained with them - to complain about abuses in the Liturgy, is to admit the Church is not perfect. To criticise anyone in the Church is to deny perfection to the Church.

Your own words speak of “problems existing” - how can they, if the Church is perfect ? The CC is a “perfect society” - that is not the same as saying it is morally perfect. A “PS” is a society which does not exist as part of another, but is autonomous & endowed with all means for its existence as a social entity. A Catholic Order is not a PS - because it cannot exist except as a part of the CC; neither is a diocese, neither is the Vatican. Only the CC as a whole is a PS.

That is in case you meant that.
People working in the Church make mistakes when they act without the guidance of the Holy Spirit.
I find it frustrating that there are so few people who are looking for more and better ways to follow the faith.
Are there any other people who have encountered the same difficulties? And what should one do about it?
Love in Jesus Christ
Shiphrae:)
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One can do very little about others - any reform must start with oneself. One cannot convert as much as one person; one always needs conversion. Start with the person closest to you, whom you can do something to change for the better - you 🙂​

BTW - what has this to do with “liberalism” ?
 
Gottle of Geer,

You are arguing in a circle and making no sense. I won’t even bother to answer such a post.

And it has everything to do with liberalism. If you go back to my definition of liberalism, you will find my explanation.
 
Originally posted by Gottle of Geer

One can do very little about others - any reform must start with oneself. One cannot convert as much as one person; one always needs conversion. Start with the person closest to you, whom you can do something to change for the better - you​

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This attitude is exactly the reason that there are so many problems and that nothing is done to remedy these problems. This is the reason that the sexual abuse was allowed to continue. The whole thing was hushed and the offenders were moved to a new area.

We all have a duty to try to work to improve conditions. Yes, we must work on ourselves but we have to speak up when we see wrong being done.

The Bible says the above quite well:

**[15] "If your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault, between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother.
[16] But if he does not listen, take one or two others along with you, that every word may be confirmed by the evidence of two or three witnesses.
[17] If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector.
**

Peace in Christ,
Shiphrae
 
Sometimes when I read about the latest scandals in the Church, or what traditional teaching some liberal bishop is now questioning and then witness first hand the lack of reverence that’s so common in what appears to be a majority of parishes, I feel pretty hopeless. But Jesus warned us of how people would depart from the faith, and our Blessed Mother echoed those warnings at Fatima. And then I walk into one of those beautiful old Catholic Church’s where every place you look is a reminder of that which is sacred and eternal, and I say to myself, "This belongs to me and everyone else who loves the One Holy Catholic And Apostolic Church, it’s ours and no one is taking it away from us.
 
I appreciate what you are saying Seamus And Jesus did say that ‘the gates of hell would not prevail against His Church’. So no matter what happens the Church will be with us until the end of time.

Thank you for the uplifting thought!

Peace in Christ,
Shiphrae 🙂
 
Shiphrae said:
This attitude is exactly the reason that there are so many problems and that nothing is done to remedy these problems. This is the reason that the sexual abuse was allowed to continue. The whole thing was hushed and the offenders were moved to a new area.

We all have a duty to try to work to improve conditions. Yes, we must work on ourselves but we have to speak up when we see wrong being done.

The Bible says the above quite well:

**[15] "If your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault, between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother.
[16] But if he does not listen, take one or two others along with you, that every word may be confirmed by the evidence of two or three witnesses.
[17] If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector.
**

Peace in Christ,
Shiphrae
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Right on! True Christian charity demands fraternal correction.
 
Originally posted by BuffaloRight on! True Christian charity demands fraternal correction.
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Yes! And we are the Church so it is up to all of us to do our part to make things right. Isn’t it?

How are you, Buffalo?

Peace in Christ,
Shiphrae 🙂
 
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