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kozlosap
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I’m sad you are attending college in such a hateful atmosphere. Is there a way you can transfer to another university?
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Rev48
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I’m sad you are attending college in such a hateful atmosphere.*
Since when is self defense “hateful”? Are you proposing we all defend ourselves like defenseless unborn babies in their mother’s womb and hope liberal ideology shows us mercy and doesn’t kill us?
Since when is self defense “hateful”? Are you proposing we all defend ourselves like defenseless unborn babies in their mother’s womb and hope liberal ideology shows us mercy and doesn’t kill us?
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kozlosap
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No worries, no one is coming for your precious AK47’s. Just one question.
.1. In the last 100 years, what conservative initiative has helped move our country forward?
Let’s see, Phrohabition? LOL!
Going to college at Liberty is akin to attending BYU, follow the party line or you are out. I don’t know where you went to under grad and grad school, but your years at the university are supposed to help one learn how to think for themselves.
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SuperLuigi
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:doh2:
People really need to stop generalizing about Muslims.
People really need to stop generalizing about Muslims.
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jinglebelle
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Oh dem muslims dem muslims
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SuperLuigi
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Prohibition is not a Constitutional conservative idea. People may argue the morality of it all they like, but it’s big government at its finest.No worries, no one is coming for your precious AK47’s. Just one question.
.1. In the last 100 years, what conservative initiative has helped move our country forward?
Let’s see, Phrohabition? LOL!
Going to college at Liberty is akin to attending BYU, follow the party line or you are out. I don’t know where you went to under grad and grad school, but your years at the university are supposed to help one learn how to think for themselves.
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Rev48
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Surprise, I don’t own a gun!No worries, no one is coming for your precious AK47’s. Just one question.
.1. In the last 100 years, what conservative initiative has helped move our country forward?
Let’s see, Phrohabition? LOL!
Going to college at Liberty is akin to attending BYU, follow the party line or you are out. I don’t know where you went to under grad and grad school, but your years at the university are supposed to help one learn how to think for themselves.
In the last 55 years, every liberal cause have regressed our country into an immoral morass and has brought us to the precipice, liberalism agenda is to remove any trace of The Almighty from our culture. Tell me, is their room for the Almighty in a liberal’s life?
Universities today are day-care centers for our liberally indoctrinated youth… i.e… “ban guns… save a woman’s right to choose!”
What has liberalism brought us? … abortion, injustice, covetousness, euthanasia, drugs and excuses… there doesn’t seem to be enough room for the Almighty in there, does there?
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AbideWithMe
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As much as I disagree with Falwell Jr. here, to be fair, he said to the Associated Press that he was referring to the San Bernandino killers when he said “those Muslims”, not Muslims in general.
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SuperLuigi
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I see. Well, that’s different because that’s a narrow, specific statement.
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SAVINGRACE
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Of course he said that after being criticized.
Its so clear now that he meant only the muslims involved in San Bernardino when he said "those muslims"
What else could “those muslims” mean?
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kozlosap
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Women in the USA are able to VOTE.
Desegregation in schools and the military.
Loving v Virginia
Social Security and AFDC
ABC available to those who wish to partake.
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exnihilo
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It is a problem to appear to be cheering killing someone. But I’ve seen worse. I’ve seen a group of partisans boo the Golden Rule when it was suggested we use that as a guide to foreign policy. I do understand being enthusiastic about a religious leader standing up for the right to self defense and gun ownership. We need more of that.
I do find this quote interesting:
If the authority is not the writing then is it history? If so early Islamic history is one of war.
If the authority is not the writings or history is it the teachings or some Islamic religious leader? That would be a very interesting and problematic position.
I do find this quote interesting:
I find it interesting because this is written in the context of the author knowing the true teachings of the Christian Faith. How does the author know the Christian Faith? Being Protestant would he say the writings of the Protestant Bible? If so what is the authority for Islam? Is it the Quran? If so then not only does it misrepresent the Christian Faith but it promotes, as I understand it, actions that we would consider immoral.
If the authority is not the writing then is it history? If so early Islamic history is one of war.
If the authority is not the writings or history is it the teachings or some Islamic religious leader? That would be a very interesting and problematic position.
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Son_of_Niall
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**One Baptist pastor’s response to Jerry Falwell, Jr. **
baptistnews.com/perspectives/one-baptist-pastors-response-to-jerry-falwell-jr/
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Mongo
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Maybe he should attend a progressive university where they have safe spaces and the students run the university. After all, we don’t don’t need no stinking free speech.No worries, no one is coming for your precious AK47’s. Just one question.
.1. In the last 100 years, what conservative initiative has helped move our country forward?
Let’s see, Phrohabition? LOL!
Going to college at Liberty is akin to attending BYU, follow the party line or you are out. I don’t know where you went to under grad and grad school, but your years at the university are supposed to help one learn how to think for themselves.
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AbideWithMe
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In context, with the “before they walked in” part of what he said (in other words, before those radicalized Muslims walked into a room full of innocent defenseless victims), well, yes, I do think it was pretty clear at the time that he wasn’t generalizing about all Muslims.Of course he said that after being criticized.
Its so clear now that he meant only the muslims involved in San Bernardino when he said "those muslims"
What else could “those muslims” mean?
But hey, go ahead and take a sound bite of “those Muslims” and run with it, regardless of context…
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AbideWithMe
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In context, with the “before they walked in” part of what he said (in other words, before those radicalized Muslims walked into a room full of innocent defenseless victims), well, yes, I do think it was pretty clear at the time that he wasn’t generalizing about all Muslims.Of course he said that after being criticized.
Its so clear now that he meant only the muslims involved in San Bernardino when he said "those muslims"
What else could “those muslims” mean?
But hey, go ahead and take a sound bite of “those Muslims” and run with it, regardless of context…
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JustaServant
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You are right…to an extent.
Liberty is liberal compared to other fundamentalist ‘Bible’ colleges. But it is still in the same mentality of feeding their students the world view of fundamentalism, as opposed to a world view…period.
Now, you use the word ‘think’. I would contend that modern education in general does not encourage critical thinking. To question the educational objectives of those in power is simply not encouraged. Being fed information is indoctrination, critical thinking is a tool that creates independent thought.
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badnewsbarrett
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What else could “those Muslims” mean?Of course he said that after being criticized.
Its so clear now that he meant only the muslims involved in San Bernardino when he said "those muslims"
What else could “those muslims” mean?
When I first saw it, I knew he was prompted to do so by the still-ongoing wall-to-wall coverage of San Bernardino. It was within 48 hours of us knowing enough to call it an act of terror with any degree of confidence, and further investigation was still ongoing. Of course it was about that, I thought this was blatantly obvious even without further context.
Even more specifically, he was talking about any Islamic extremist who might go to LU and kill Christians for reasons that are religious and ideological in nature, most likely a young person born in the US and radicalized by someone they probably haven’t met in person. This is the new threat that we now face, and to his credit, Liberty University is likely to be pretty high on the list of potential targets.
Still working to his credit for the moment- it’s a dry campus and there are various restrictions as to who can have a gun on campus, no one under the age of 21 for example, and there are some hoops to jump through in order to get permission from the school. You can’t just get your permit and then show up packing out of the blue. There are also certain parts of campus where you can’t bring your weapon, general rule of thumb is that if it’s a secured building where you need a card or a key to get in, you don’t bring your gun with you. Less secure parts that qualify as being very soft, they’re more likely to be in play. In other words, it’s not a complete free-for-all and some of the drawbacks that exist at party schools are not really a problem there.
Not so much to his credit though…this is something that can be worked around, and it would only stop a shooter who’s a non-sniper. Improvised explosives are still very much in play if anyone is so inclined. And in general, even when good guys with guns are present, it requires years of ongoing training in order for the good guy to be of any use in a surprise-be-a-hero situation. Too many people say the only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun, but that’s only true in 3% of the cases where a bad guy gets stopped. For the most part, it’s unarmed people who are able to put a stop to it, speaking for the moment exclusively about incidents that are resolved before the authorities are able to step in. And that’s not because very few people have guns- it’s because so few people with guns and concealed carry permits possess the training and experience to be of any use even when they have all the physical tools to be successful. And I guess it’s partly because premeditated killers have a well established habit of choosing targets where they know there will be no other guns and they avoid those risks as much as they possibly can.
Overall, it’s not likely to be a very effective strategy, although it probably will be enough to limit the terrorist playbook in terms of ways they’re most likely to attack if they ever do. I thought the context was fairly clear, he was talking about a potential act of terror on the campus of LU and that is not an entirely unreasonable thing for him to be worried about. It’s not the most effective solution, but that wasn’t what most people had a problem with.
I guess this is what I’m really saying. Although I’m certain that some mosques are within easy driving distance of LU, I do believe there is a zero percent probability that any LU students in the audience are going to be radicalized to the point where they will drive out to a mosque and kill innocent people. That is not going to happen.
I repeat. Not. Going. To Happen.
But there are literally thousands of imams in the world today who talk about various non-Muslims in ways that can and do incite religiously motivated acts of terror. That is what we should be worried about, and it is those very people that Falwell is trying to get his campus ready for, albeit not in the most effective way.
To answer your question, that is exactly what else “those Muslims” could possibly mean.
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badnewsbarrett
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Speaking as someone with much personal familiarity with middle-of-the-road and fairly conservative Bible colleges (or parochial schools, if you want a more general term), I can say with much certainty that Liberty is not liberal. It is very very conservative in every sense of the word. I know some people who went there recently, I know some people who went there many decades ago, I know plenty of people who have gone to several other conservative schools. You talk to any of these people about how conservative they are, they will say “Well we’re pretty conservative, but then of course not as conservative as Liberty.” There’s maybe one or two other schools in the whole country that are on that level, one that comes to mind would be Pensacola. And in general, people who attend Liberty will say “Yes it’s a very conservative place. Is there anyone else more conservative? Well…maybe, but quite possibly not.”
Just about every conservative school in this country is extremely sure that Liberty is more conservative than they are, though.
One more quick thing- I might want to disagree with you about modern education. Modern academia, in general, does have a tendency to uplift the experts in a particular field and put certain things beyond question that maybe shouldn’t be beyond question. But this is more of an issue at an intro-level, or when you’re basically doing a survey of a field of study. When you’re really going for it as a career and you’re trying to put together a dissertation and/or have something published, there’s a lot more of a push for people to innovate, say and do something new, stand out by being different and then defend new ideas very well. A complete rehash of something that’s been done a dozen times over is not likely to get you through a graduate level program, and at that level- at least to some extent- I occasionally think that it works in a way that provides incentive for some not-strictly-necessary contrarianism that is necessary to some extent, but it can swing the pendulum a bit too far in the direction of questioning anything and everything, literally for the sake of questioning it.
Of course, I bring this perspective from a mostly middle-of-the-road kind of experience, and it’s highly likely that it’s rather the opposite in a far more conservative setting. So perhaps I have to withdraw the bulk of that disagreement where LU is concerned.
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