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VonDerTann
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Why would the priest be qualified to offer advice on this subject? Asking for forgiveness In confession does not equal having no temporal effects of one’s actions.
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Minks
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Why did you direct your comments to me? Are you saying that I indicated otherwise? That I even remotely hinted at the word “minor,” or any similar meaning? If so, please quote what I said that led you to such a conclusion.
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VonDerTann
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I rather find it disconcerting the number of people who want to give OP a pass for this, particularly as, if he gets the job, he will have presumptively “beaten out” someone else who also presumably was honest in the interview process.
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VonDerTann
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Know what, minks? I thought you were Star orbiter. I apologize.
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Minks
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Truce!
Not angry. Disgusted.
Let the OP contact the company…justify the lie…then see what happens; rather than seek absolution from CAF!
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VonDerTann
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Great advice, Niblo!
“Seek absolution on CAF.” True. That’s what OPs doing.
“Seek absolution on CAF.” True. That’s what OPs doing.
Regrettably, it seems that way.
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Your response leads me to wonder if you’re you’re thinking I believe his lying was okay and permissible. Reading my response that I am writing during break on night shift, perhaps I came across that way because I am not emphasizing the same things you and others are. I admit I am human and imperfect, so perhaps my response was imperfect, so here goes my second attempt 
Believe me when I say we agree on it definitely not being okay, since no sin is permissible before God, whom we love and who loves us and deserves the best from us. However, I see the OP seems repentant, so I’d rather not beat a dead horse further by continuing to emphasize the wrongness. Rather, let’s focus on the fact that spiritually he is forgiven, and moving on to fix the temporal effects as we can.
Also, three things determine the gravity of sin: the Seriousness, the Intent, and the Knowledge of it being a sin. I came to my conclusion after evaluating the following: For seriousness, I suppose I have a hard time imagining job experience from 10 years ago is going to strongly affect whether they decide to give him the job or not, thus I think the seriousness of what exactly he lied about isn’t exactly major. However, if somehow his 10-year-old previous job experience ended up being super important to their decision, then yes, I agree, it’s a pretty serious matter so that changes my answer. After reading Niblo’s response, I do think he gave me a better understanding from the other side on the trust part, so I do slightly change my response to say that yes, it is probably the most correct thing to make sure that if they offer him the job are aware of this untruth so that trust can grow. Then they can decide whether to give it to him or not.
As for Intent, I don’t think I’m necessarily wrong in saying that, when he says he confirmed it in the panic of the moment that yes, he lied impulsively. I don’t disagree with you that he lied twice, and no sin should be brushed off because all sin offends God. However, I do think there’s a huge difference from when he willingly lied on his CV 3 months ago where he says he didn’t care about lying so much (huge problem) versus confirming the lie in the heat of the moment which yes, was a sin, but leads me to believe is not premeditated, esp. since he says he would have corrected it had he thought to do so. So a sin, but certainly not mortal from what I’m reading.
As for Knowledge, yes it’s a sin because he knows it was wrong to do so.
Since he has sincere repentance and seems to want to do the best thing here, I guess my emphasis is not on focusing on the sin (which I think leads to scrupulosity, and I’ve suffered from this in the past. Not good for spiritual life) but to emphasize the forgiveness and moving on. And yes, just make sure to correct the lie if they offer him the job. That’s it. We’re all sinners after all, and I’d say especially me. If you see any problems with what I say, feel free to let me know. I don’t think I’ve contradicted any Church laws?
Believe me when I say we agree on it definitely not being okay, since no sin is permissible before God, whom we love and who loves us and deserves the best from us. However, I see the OP seems repentant, so I’d rather not beat a dead horse further by continuing to emphasize the wrongness. Rather, let’s focus on the fact that spiritually he is forgiven, and moving on to fix the temporal effects as we can.
Also, three things determine the gravity of sin: the Seriousness, the Intent, and the Knowledge of it being a sin. I came to my conclusion after evaluating the following: For seriousness, I suppose I have a hard time imagining job experience from 10 years ago is going to strongly affect whether they decide to give him the job or not, thus I think the seriousness of what exactly he lied about isn’t exactly major. However, if somehow his 10-year-old previous job experience ended up being super important to their decision, then yes, I agree, it’s a pretty serious matter so that changes my answer. After reading Niblo’s response, I do think he gave me a better understanding from the other side on the trust part, so I do slightly change my response to say that yes, it is probably the most correct thing to make sure that if they offer him the job are aware of this untruth so that trust can grow. Then they can decide whether to give it to him or not.
As for Intent, I don’t think I’m necessarily wrong in saying that, when he says he confirmed it in the panic of the moment that yes, he lied impulsively. I don’t disagree with you that he lied twice, and no sin should be brushed off because all sin offends God. However, I do think there’s a huge difference from when he willingly lied on his CV 3 months ago where he says he didn’t care about lying so much (huge problem) versus confirming the lie in the heat of the moment which yes, was a sin, but leads me to believe is not premeditated, esp. since he says he would have corrected it had he thought to do so. So a sin, but certainly not mortal from what I’m reading.
As for Knowledge, yes it’s a sin because he knows it was wrong to do so.
Since he has sincere repentance and seems to want to do the best thing here, I guess my emphasis is not on focusing on the sin (which I think leads to scrupulosity, and I’ve suffered from this in the past. Not good for spiritual life) but to emphasize the forgiveness and moving on. And yes, just make sure to correct the lie if they offer him the job. That’s it. We’re all sinners after all, and I’d say especially me. If you see any problems with what I say, feel free to let me know. I don’t think I’ve contradicted any Church laws?
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Matej
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Thank you @Minks for the kind welcome!
I definitly want to follow jesus and want to do what’s right even if it won’t be easy. I joined this forum to seek advice for my spiritual life. I know that I still have a lot to learn.
After careful consideration I came to the conclusion that I will decline the job offer if they choose me.
Please pray for me. May the lord have mercy
I definitly want to follow jesus and want to do what’s right even if it won’t be easy. I joined this forum to seek advice for my spiritual life. I know that I still have a lot to learn.
After careful consideration I came to the conclusion that I will decline the job offer if they choose me.
Please pray for me. May the lord have mercy
If they offer employment it will be for a number of reasons, and not simply because of your work history - real or otherwise. They will have seen in you someone with the potential to make a valued contribution to their organisation. Rather than simply run away, it might be better to summon your courage and ask to speak with them; to explain your behaviour; to ask for the chance to make amends, and to be the kind of employee they expect you to be. Trust takes a long time to earn, and a very short time to lose. Being honest and open, when it would be so easy to continue the lie, might just be enough to have them accept you, and take you on board. The needs of the business will play it’s part. You might want to think about this.
And welcome to the Forum.
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on_the_hill
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That’s a harsh self-imposed penance, and almost seems like a cop-out.
Your confessor, whom you trust, I assume, said not to worry about it.
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