Life Teen: Mass or Entertainment

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While life teen masses do attract a large number of teens to the Mass, and without judging all life teen masses in general, one can only wonder if these “events” are more entertainment than mass; more fluff than substance. It seems to me that life teen suspends, bends or breaks a number of traditions, laws and dogma all in an effort (or under the guise) of bringing teens into the faith. :eek:

One teen I know of, very active in the life teen movement, was heard to say - after attending a “regular” mass: “please don’t make me do THAT again.” 😦
 
Hi, Carl;

Unfortunately, we americans like to do things “our” way, and not have anyone tell us what to do. This attitide, IMHO, has led tomany liturgical abuses, not just in Life Teen Masses, but in all Masses. We don’t have to spend much time reading through this forum to find liturgical abuses in all Masses from TLM to Life Teen.

The Life Teen organization strongly encourages adherance to liturgical norms and rubrics. However, they can’t police the parishes that have a Life Teen Mass to make sure that happens.

My parish has had Life Teen for at least 15 years, and the results have truly been wonderful. All three of my children went through the Life Teen program, and now are faithful Catholics in love our Lord, and our Faith. Why? Because our parish presents Life Teen in line with Church teaching and law. When it is done right, it is a blessing. 🙂
 
Carl,

While it is certainly true that LifeTeen Masses used to violate a number of liturgical directives, that is no longer the case. There has been a concerted effort on the part of the LifeTeen leaders to get all parishes that have a LifeTeen Mass to bring it into compliance with the appropriate liturgical directives.

Since music is a big part of our lives as human beings, it is also a big part of our liturgical experience. I can’t speak for all LifeTeen Masses everywhere, but I know that in my parish the music that has been selected is designed to help the young people pray.

At the same time, I know that it’s not my cup of tea (even though I had to be at the LifeTeen Mass last night – I was preaching). So, just as I would prefer not to attend LifeTeen, I’m sure that it’s equally valid that those who are fed spiritually by LifeTeen might not prefer to attend a non-LifeTeen Mass.

That’s the beauty of being Catholic – we have something for everyone!

Deacon Ed
 
Deacon Ed:
Carl,

That’s the beauty of being Catholic – we have something for everyone!

Deacon Ed
I completely agree with you. I have seen numerous threads on this site debating the different masses and which one is superior, the Novus Ordo, Tridentine, etc… All this does in my opinion is promote disunity in the church.

My parish does not offer the Lifeteen mass but another parish in my area does. After having attended it several times now I have to say that I really enjoy it. Now don’t jump all over the word “enjoy” to prove the point of it being entertainment. I just feel that they have a much better music ministry than my parish and feel that I am worshiping more through that music, as the saying goes, one song is like two prayers. This helps me to prepare more for the Eucharist as well. That being said, I have also attended a Byzantine rite church in which the liturgy is chanted and found it also very moving in a different way. This leads me to believe that I would also enjoy a licit Tridentine mass although I have never attended one. My point is that although unity is of the utmost importance, God also loves diversity, after all look at the universe. I feel that as long as it keeps with the order and rubrics of the mass there is nothing wrong with the Lifeteen mass. Abuses can be found at any mass if one looks hard enough I’m sure, but it is the responsibility of the priest to correct it. Also, a person has to ask oneself if there is actually an abuse going on, or if what is happening is offending ones own personal opinion?
 
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Feanaro:
I completely agree with you. I have seen numerous threads on this site debating the different masses and which one is superior, the Novus Ordo, Tridentine, etc… All this does in my opinion is promote disunity in the church.

My parish does not offer the Lifeteen mass but another parish in my area does. After having attended it several times now I have to say that I really enjoy it. Now don’t jump all over the word “enjoy” to prove the point of it being entertainment. I just feel that they have a much better music ministry than my parish and feel that I am worshiping more through that music, as the saying goes, one song is like two prayers. This helps me to prepare more for the Eucharist as well. That being said, I have also attended a Byzantine rite church in which the liturgy is chanted and found it also very moving in a different way. This leads me to believe that I would also enjoy a licit Tridentine mass although I have never attended one. My point is that although unity is of the utmost importance, God also loves diversity, after all look at the universe. I feel that as long as it keeps with the order and rubrics of the mass there is nothing wrong with the Lifeteen mass. Abuses can be found at any mass if one looks hard enough I’m sure, but it is the responsibility of the priest to correct it. Also, a person has to ask oneself if there is actually an abuse going on, or if what is happening is offending ones own personal opinion?
Why do you say you disagree with Deacon Ed? You seem to prove his point.
 
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Big_Easy_Big:
While life teen masses do attract a large number of teens to the Mass, and without judging all life teen masses in general, one can only wonder if these “events” are more entertainment than mass; more fluff than substance. It seems to me that life teen suspends, bends or breaks a number of traditions, laws and dogma all in an effort (or under the guise) of bringing teens into the faith. :eek:

One teen I know of, very active in the life teen movement, was heard to say - after attending a “regular” mass: “please don’t make me do THAT again.” 😦
This is what happens, the AMERICAN church hasd raised spoiled people who are into feeling good in mass and that’s it=this time of mass you are writing here of is to use the words of a priest i knew, a mass for ignorants.
 
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misericordie:
This is what happens, the AMERICAN church hasd raised spoiled people who are into feeling good in mass and that’s it=this time of mass you are writing here of is to use the words of a priest i knew, a mass for ignorants.
Are you saying that the Life Teen Mass is a Mass for ignorant people?
 
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misericordie:
This is what happens, the AMERICAN church hasd raised spoiled people who are into feeling good in mass and that’s it=this time of mass you are writing here of is to use the words of a priest i knew, a mass for ignorants.
While life teen masses do attract a large number of teens to the Mass, and without judging all life teen masses in general, one can only wonder if these “events” are more entertainment than mass; more fluff than substance. It seems to me that life teen suspends, bends or breaks a number of traditions, laws and dogma all in an effort (or under the guise) of bringing teens into the faith.
Hello:

I’m a Core member (read: adult volunteer) for our local parish who has attended many LifeTeen masses, events, and staffed for a month of their summer camps. I have seen LifeTeen for what it genuinely is. In other words, I speak with years of experience on this issue.

First of all, the aim of a LifeTeen mass is fundamentally to help bring more teens deeper into mass. That’s two fold: Bringing *more *teens in, and bringing them deeper. In other words, we want all those teens who are not going to mass to come to mass, and we want those teens who come to mass to pray, sing, and participate deeper and more fully each time they come to mass. That’s the goal.

Listen to me very carefully here: the music and homilies that you hear are the least important aspects of the LifeTeen Mass. Yes, you heard me right - the Praise and Worship music and the youth-centered homily that a LifeTeen mass has are the least important things about that mass.

The way LifeTeen masses *really *accomplish their goals is through Christ-centered relational ministry. That is, the Core members, youth minister, and priest making a concerted effort to build relationships with the teens individually before, after, and outside mass - and building a relationship with them. It means sitting with them and their families during mass and being strong examples of prayer. It means encouraging them to be at mass - both as a friend and as a minister/mentor. Relationships, more than anything else, is the real reason that teens initially start coming to mass - because of the relationships that they have. When they were children, they came because of their parents. In the second stage of their childhood, they begin to come because of their friends and mentors. We, in turn, help lead them to a deeper prayer and help lead them closer to Christ – Christ does the rest.

Soon, after you help a teen make that first step to really getting into the mass, the mass takes them up - and they come for the sole reason of Christ.

So, you see that this isn’t the mass for “ignorants,” nor is it for those who just want to slack off and not really want to make a relationship with Christ - this is a mass that, because of the concerted effort of adults who care about the teens and their spiritual lives, encourages it’s congregation to go deeper in prayer than they have been before.

Nor is it a mass that is simply “entertainment.” It helps for certian aspects of the mass to be entertaining - who wants a boring homily? Who wants a hard-to-sing, drab processional song? But that’s not what it’s really about. What it’s really about is the true effort to bring teens closer to Christ on a one-on-one individualized basis, both inside and outside of mass.
 
Name edited— a teacher, and a Life Teen Core Member in a very orthodox parish in New Mexico. I personally tend to be strict when it comes to Liturgy. Some might call me a Liturgical Dicatator or Leagalist but I belive that the Mass or Divine Liturgy is the central ascpect of the Catholic faith from which all else flows and no one has the right to go against the Church rubrics concerning the mass. In fact I would love to see a return to the old Tidentine rite of the mass.
However, I find it very disturbing that there are people who actually have a problem with there being Life Teen masses. I know that there are many parishes that do the mass wrong when they involve Life Teen but mine is not one of them.The priest still follows the GIRM. The only major differneces between the Life Teen Mass and others is that the choir sings contemporary worship music, although still liturgically correct, and the teens are invited to kneel at the front fo the church, not in the sanctuary though, during the Liturgy of the Eucharist. No liturgical abuses, no teen in the sanctuary swaying. Just a mass aimed more at drawing teenagers into the worship of God. Now I do agree that churches that do the mass like St. Tim’s in Mesa Arizona are way off base but a life teen mass does not have to be done that way.
To those who have a problem with the Life Teen mass being too emotional, I woud respond that a very liturgically accurate and traditional Easter Vigil Mass is very emotional, just in a more traditional way. It seems funny to me when people try to eliminate all emotion from relegion because that comes close to the heresy of the Gnostics who thought that the body was evil and the soul good. Catholics believe that we are both body and soul and both are good. From both the body and soul come emotions created by God and therefore, emotions are good. The do have to be brought in line with reason, but that does not stop them from being good. I am not saying that our faith sould be based on emotion because reason is more important. However, we should not forget that emotions are part of the human person, and God redeemed the entire human person and not just the soul. We should always avoid both extremes in this case: the idea that faith should be based on emotion or the idea that emotion should be banned from religion. Instead we aim for the golden mean: emotions are a part of the God created human person and are therefore good but should be governed by reason.
 
Didn’t mean to put my name on that last reply. Did it out of habbit. please ignore if possible
 
I am a teen and I hate lifeteen mass. I just think it seems so protestant. I hate it when protestant practices find a way into our mass. And the things people where to it, it makes a mockery of the blessed sacrement. The atmosphere is so laid back and everything, that it just encourages people to dress in an imodest way.
 
Entertainment!!! and I hope our parish got the latest memo. Given the state of our regular Masses they seem to ignore the memos anyway.
 
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buffalo:
Entertainment!!! and I hope our parish got the latest memo. Given the state of our regular Masses they seem to ignore the memos anyway.
Its entertainment as in, you laugh at it, not with it.
 
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Andrew_11:
Its entertainment as in, you laugh at it, not with it.
I hope the democratically elected Liturgy Committee people see your post. The one’s who want a more joyful, lively, horizontal, modern and almost protestant worhip revival. - The one’s who forgot reverance and sacrifice in the Holy Sarifice of the Mass.
 
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buffalo:
Cafeteria style? :hmmm:
No, certainly not. I was thinking in terms of liturgy. One can find the Mass of Pius V (the so-called Tridentine Mass), the Mass of Paul VI, several varieties of Eastern Liturgies – all validly Catholic and covering a wide spectrum. There is also a wide variety of music available within this spectrum. Certainly in the panoply that is Catholicism there is something legitimate for everyone.

Deacon Ed
 
Deacon Ed:
No, certainly not. I was thinking in terms of liturgy. One can find the Mass of Pius V (the so-called Tridentine Mass), the Mass of Paul VI, several varieties of Eastern Liturgies – all validly Catholic and covering a wide spectrum. There is also a wide variety of music available within this spectrum. Certainly in the panoply that is Catholicism there is something legitimate for everyone.

Deacon Ed
Does this fully square with the Church being One, Holy Catholic and Apostolic?
 
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