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Oh no you don’t!!!
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RichT
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Might I remind you that our youth may only be 3% of our current population, they are in fact 100% of our future.
If you don’t agree with the Life Teen Mass DON’T GO!!!:banghead: There are plenty of us who don’t agree with your points of view. Wow, imagine that, the freedom to have my own point of view! It is opinions like your that are exactly like that of many fundamentalists. Thoughts like “It’s our way or the highway.” I am glad I have the freedom to choose the way I worship my God and that I am not forced to conform to some rigid set of rules. I have been to many Life Teen masses and the ones I have gone to have been wonderful. I have never seen more reverance and respect shown towards Jesus by young people than by the ones who attend this mass regularly. I have never observed any liturgical abuses. Maybe there are some parishes who cross the line, and I agree that they need to be fixed, but don’t just assume they all cross the line. As far as the teens being invited up to the sanctuary for the Eucharistic celebration, didn’t a certain Jewish Carpenter say to let the children come? You hard nose consertatives want to bottle Jesus up and put Him in a place where the faithful can only look at Him. Don’t you think Jesus would invite the children and in fact all of us to the sanctuary if He came back today and celebrated the mass. I happen to think He would want nothing more than to be as close as possible to his Church while sharing the blessed Sacrament with them. Well, when that day comes I know I won’t be afraid to run up and wrap my arms around Him. What are you going to do? Maybe you will just kneel the whole time and miss all the excitement.:bowdown: I get so sick and tired of hearing adults say, “Why can’t I get my kids more interested in church?”
Well, there is a simple solution, provide a place for them to feel safe, secure, wanted, and most of all, loved!
That is the entire goal of the Life Teen Mass. Get a clue!
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Would you please stop posting pictures to “prove” your point, since they prove nothing.
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Iohannes
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This is for you Melman, The Holy Sacrifice of Calvary not some rock and roll teen worship:
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Life Teen will never match this.
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Life Teen will never match this.
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That’s not the point at all. The Church sets the rules, the church defines the role of the priest on the altar and the people in their seats. As has been writte here, the Church is finally cracking down on the LifeTeen abuses.
The boat has sailed, and you’re not on board. You get your kids interested in church by really educating them. Not by appealing to their “feelings”. The Church does not offer safety, security, entertainment nor even coffee and donuts. In fact it really “offers” nothing. The Real Presence of Christ demands our attention, our worship. We are the ones who need to be “offering”. That should be the goal. Nothing else.
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You know, I respect your choice to attend the type of mass you feel the most comfortable at. And I can even say that I see absolute beauty in the Latin Mass. The point is, is that I won’t lower myself to insult a person for attending the mass of there choice. I will not insult them or the mass itself. Is one better than the other? Only to the individual who is attending, and thank God for the Life Teen Mass where thousands of teenagers go every weekend, who might otherwise not go at all.:dancing:
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That is incorrect.Might I remind you that our youth may only be 3% of our current population, they are in fact 100% of our future.
USA is govern by the interest of Baby Bommers. From the politic to economics. One could go on and on and on about this.
You are probabaly young and don’t know what’s going on in the other age group, you only concern with your age group.
Another ********** **********.
I will NOT let the Mass be desacrated!! And because of concern for souls I will NOT let other endanger their very soul.
Youthful *************.There are plenty of us who don’t agree with your points of view. Wow, imagine that, the freedom to have my own point of view! It is opinions like your that are exactly like that of many fundamentalists. Thoughts like “It’s our way or the highway.” I am glad I have the freedom to choose the way I worship my God and that I am not forced to conform to some rigid set of rules. I have been to many Life Teen masses and the ones I have gone to have been wonderful. I have never seen more reverance and respect shown towards Jesus by young people than by the ones who attend this mass regularly. I have never observed any liturgical abuses. Maybe there are some parishes who cross the line, and I agree that they need to be fixed, but don’t just assume they all cross the line. As far as the teens being invited up to the sanctuary for the Eucharistic celebration, didn’t a certain Jewish Carpenter say to let the children come? You hard nose consertatives want to bottle Jesus up and put Him in a place where the faithful can only look at Him. Don’t you think Jesus would invite the children and in fact all of us to the sanctuary if He came back today and celebrated the mass. I happen to think He would want nothing more than to be as close as possible to his Church while sharing the blessed Sacrament with them. Well, when that day comes I know I won’t be afraid to run up and wrap my arms around Him. What are you going to do? Maybe you will just kneel the whole time and miss all the excitement.:bowdown: I get so sick and tired of hearing adults say, “Why can’t I get my kids more interested in church?”
With comment like this there goes LifeTeen credibility.
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Here is a picture of a some people after a Life Teen Mass, is this suppose be another valid inculturation dumb down for teens?
And look at the priest too, what the heck is he trying to be? some cool dude?
stagneslifeteen.com/Thumbs/bmass/noshoes1.jpg
And look at the priest too, what the heck is he trying to be? some cool dude?
stagneslifeteen.com/Thumbs/bmass/noshoes1.jpg
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A reverent Novus Ordo Mass is totally better than rock and roll music Mass. Do kids really need rock and roll in order to be closer to Christ?
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It is not matter of litugical preference, etc, it is respect for God. I am not insulting anyone, it is not the Teens fault if they are ignorant or underdress for Mass, it is the people in charge who are at fault.
A Traditional Latin Mass or reverent Novus Ordo is BETTER than Life Teen Mass. Unlike the Life Teen Mass, the TLM or reverent NOM is geared towards no one. Life Teen is geared towards Teens.
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No one said anything about anything being governed by anything. My statement simply said that our youth is 100% of our future and because of this, we as adults need to nurture them into the adults they need to be in order to run this country. Might I remind you that the same youths you are insulting with your comments will someday be in charge of this great nation and will be making decisions that will affect all the aging Baby Boomers.
Your right I am young. A whopping 39 years old. And as a father of three, I am very concerned about age groups other thatn my own. Apparently by the tone of you arguments, you are the one who is only concerned with your own age groups. Afterall, aren’t you the one who is making the statements about everything being governed by, and for the baby boomers?
Well, that’s really nice, let’s just throw a personal insult in there as well.
Another personal insult. Does that make you feel better?
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RichT
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http://www.stagneslifeteen.com/Thumbs/bmass/noshoes1.jpg
This is obviously a group of young people showing off there clean feet after the beautiful foot washing ceremony on Holy Thusrday! And look! They even washed Father’s feet.:yup:
Bottom line, to each his own, if you don’t like the Teen Life mass, don’t go. I’m sure your energy could be used somewhere else for more positives things then sitting around talking about how much better the NOM or the TLM is. Where is all the love people? Oh I forgot, we shouldn’t bring emotion into it…
Religion is not about emotion. I wouldn’t want to be the one to explain that to the Virgin Mary as she wept at the cross.
This is obviously a group of young people showing off there clean feet after the beautiful foot washing ceremony on Holy Thusrday! And look! They even washed Father’s feet.:yup:
Bottom line, to each his own, if you don’t like the Teen Life mass, don’t go. I’m sure your energy could be used somewhere else for more positives things then sitting around talking about how much better the NOM or the TLM is. Where is all the love people? Oh I forgot, we shouldn’t bring emotion into it…
Religion is not about emotion. I wouldn’t want to be the one to explain that to the Virgin Mary as she wept at the cross.
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There is little reverence and modesty displayed during a Life Teen Mass in that picture.
Why were there women having their feet washed when 12 people are suppose to represent the apostles?
Why were there women having their feet washed when 12 people are suppose to represent the apostles?
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RichT
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As far as I know we are all desciples of Christ, men and women. As far as there only being eleven, who do you think took the picture? The twelth one. What a great sense of humor you have. Oh sorry, there goes that emotion thing again. I’ll have to work on that.
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First off, 12 apostles, apostles are men.
Secondly, the Latin Text during Holy Thursday uses “Vir” which is specifically male.
Is that how they honor Christ by dressing like that?? SHAME on the parents and authority who allow Teens to dress like that. Note, the Teenagers are the victims here, they are probally ignorant of what they are doing. And no this is not about TLM vs NO. It’s about honor to God, reverence, modesty.
I have seen reverence at a Novus Ordo Mass, I know it can be done.
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Cool down guys!
We all have personal relationships with Jesus. We all want our Youth to enter into a mature and loving relationship with Jesus and His Church. Please, everyone, watch your comments. Help to keep this thread a friendly and loving enviornment. Don’t respond at all to comments that may be offensive to you, please.
We should find a balance to appealing to the emotional side of teenagers as well as the logical/thinking side of teenagers.
But help me to understand your point of view. You believe that because of the lack of reverence and emphasis on emotion in a LifeTeen mass, teens will initially be drawn into by the emotional or community value, but then realize, as the teen grows and understands what the Eucharist really means, that the mass is not reverent, and then become uncomfortable with the LifeTeen mass? Or, perhaps, the emotional value is lost and there is no catechetical substance?
We all have personal relationships with Jesus. We all want our Youth to enter into a mature and loving relationship with Jesus and His Church. Please, everyone, watch your comments. Help to keep this thread a friendly and loving enviornment. Don’t respond at all to comments that may be offensive to you, please.
It has been said that humans are characterized as having various sets of duel personality traits - one of those pairs of traits are Thinking and Feeling. As part of our baptismal call to evangelization, we should reach out to the whole person, teaching them and securing them in the faith as well as facilitating positive emotional and spiritual prayer experiances. Frequently, Religous Education and Youth Ministry programs fall off of the other side of the horse by offering only social and prayer experiences with no catechecital substance or by offering only catechetical lessons with no substantial prayer or social times.
We should find a balance to appealing to the emotional side of teenagers as well as the logical/thinking side of teenagers.
But help me to understand your point of view. You believe that because of the lack of reverence and emphasis on emotion in a LifeTeen mass, teens will initially be drawn into by the emotional or community value, but then realize, as the teen grows and understands what the Eucharist really means, that the mass is not reverent, and then become uncomfortable with the LifeTeen mass? Or, perhaps, the emotional value is lost and there is no catechetical substance?
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I realize I do not speak for most teenagers although I am one, but i do not like the Life Teen Mass. I was never a fan of contemporary music (by contemporary I mean anything in the past 60 years). I love the old liturgy, I love the Tridentine Mass, although i do recongnize the Novus Ordo Mass as legitimate. Life Teen Mass to me seemed just… not there…
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I respect your opinion. It’s cool with me. As for myself, I’ve never been to a Tridentine Mass, although I love the special masses like the Easter Vigil and Holy Thursday mass, where the prayers are sung. (at our church we have a wooden altar and then a large stone altar - the wooden altar is closer to the congregation and lower. We use the High Altar for the special services)
I love comtemporary music and more charismatic masses. However, I wish the priest would sing the Eucharistic prayers much more often. You know, I really should visit another type of mass sometime.
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Exalt,
Thank you for respecting my opinion. I was hoping no one would feel as if my comment was my way of saying Life Teen Mass is bad. I realize it is probably a good way to get teens, who do not share my liturgical preferences, to Mass. I however have seen some abuses at some Life Teen Masses, but i realize that is not particular to only the Life Teen Mass since there is widespread liturgical abuse in America. However I would recommend you at least go to one Tridentine or Latin Novus Ordo Mass, just to try.
Thank you for respecting my opinion. I was hoping no one would feel as if my comment was my way of saying Life Teen Mass is bad. I realize it is probably a good way to get teens, who do not share my liturgical preferences, to Mass. I however have seen some abuses at some Life Teen Masses, but i realize that is not particular to only the Life Teen Mass since there is widespread liturgical abuse in America. However I would recommend you at least go to one Tridentine or Latin Novus Ordo Mass, just to try.
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