Light from the Reformation

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Robert, meet Contarini; Contarini, meet Robert. Two of the forum’s best assets!

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cpayne said:
Well, you know. Maybe he means “going ballistic, for an Episcopalian.” 😃
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Well, I was going relatively ballistic on people who don’t want to admit they were Protestants! Maybe Fr. Southwell (or should I call him the Blessed Robert?) mistakenly thought I was referring to Catholics when I spoke of people being “ahistorical”? That is indeed one of the most scathing things a church historian can say about someone. . . .

Of course, being hung, drawn, and quartered would make anyone a little touchy, especially when talking to an Anglican:eek:

Edwin
 
And here I thought “semper reformanda” was first a Roman Catholic term. Reformers include Ignatius of Loyola, Catherine of Siena, those at Vatican 2, Bernard, Francis of Assissi, to name a few.

The Church is always in need of reformation, as long as it is on earth, and until Jesus returns. It always has been in need, always is in need, and always will be in need of reformation.
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Semper reformanda!
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Ani_Ibi said:
How about Non-Catholic Christian folk? Does that satisfy you? Happy now?

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it is not a matter of me being happy or satisfied with your terminology. it is a matter of understanding your question and trying to engage in discussion. Your title says “Reformation” a work that has a definite meaning in a historical context, so naturally most people will frame their answer in that context.

are you asking if we have encountered non-Catholic Christians who have witnessed to us in some important, dramatic, or helpful way?
 
Ani_Ibi said:
Yes.
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then my answer is yes. Without exception the non-Catholic Christians I have encountered through RCIA who are exploring full communion with the Church have been shining examples of Christian witness and have added immeasurably to the depth and richness of our classes. Non-Catholic colleagues in the pro-life movement locally are more committed in terms of time, talent and financial support and in risk-taking than their Catholic counterparts. Given that this area is predominantly Catholic, yet most (not all) visible concrete pro-life initiatives such as pregnancy testing and support are sponsored by the Evangelical minority, that is nothing less than a scandal against the local Church.
 
I learned a lot from a young Evangelical student whose wife was having a baby and who was deeply involved in the pro-life movement. I learned from his quiet resolution, his openness to learning, his unfailing charity, and his confidence in plunging into daring new avenues of devotion to God.

I learned a lot about what to discuss and what is best left for another day. This was someone who knew what needed to be done and would not take no for an answer from anyone.

After learning from Fr Pavone, I continued to learn from my Evangelical friend about the power of the internet to divert public policy – – – even if slightly – from the path of ruin. And I learned about doing my part as an individual and as a member of a generation – however small my part may be – with faith that others would carry the torch after me.
 
It’s quite amazing actually. I’m a cradle Catholic and went to church somewhat regularly as a kid. And my family has been blessed enough to have money to send me and my brother to Catholic schools. During high school (Notre Dame Preparatory…innocent plug) i lost, if i ever had, interest in my faith. There were many social and personal reasons for this, which is another discussion.

However, after time at college, i met a wonderful girl and we started dating. We fell in love with each other and started talking. Long story short, she’s a “Bible Believing Christian”, Fundamentalist, and i’m Catholic. When she questioned me about my beliefs, i had no idea how to respond. We actually broke up once because of our perceived differences. We got back together and to this day i’m trying to explain what it is that Catholics believe. But in my quest to explain this to her, i’ve learned what exactly i believe and why i believe it. So really the insight i’ve received is my faith. That it is One True Catholic and Apostolic Church, and i’m apart of it.

Funny how things work out.
 
Ani_Ibi said:

Re: Light from the Reformation​

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Originally Posted by Fidelis
…I know the appellation is well-intentioned, but it distorts history, disrespects the Catholic Faith, and, in the end, satisfies no one.

How about Non-Catholic Christian folk? Does that satisfy you? Happy now?

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Hi Ani Ibi,

As a non-Catholic I am neither offended nor defended.

blessings
 
Contarini said:
Ani Ibi, your use of the term “Reformers” is well-intentioned but idiosyncratic and extremely confusing. You will never satisfy the people you are trying to placate–calling them “Reformers” is arguably worse than calling them “Protestants,” since the main reason they don’t want to be called “Protestants” is that they do not identify themselves with the “Reformers” of the sixteenth century. I respect your reasons for using this term, but I ask you to reconsider it–I do not think you are accomplishing anything except confusing people. It’s just not communicating effectively.

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On the other hand, calling the Protestants of the period before the Peace of Westphalia in 1648 “Deformers” is insulting to Protestants.​

It simply is not true that:
  • there was nothing deformed in the pre-Reformation & post-Reformation tradition of the CC;
  • that there was, or is, nothing but deformity in the Protestant tradition.
    Besides, if the early Protestants are called “Deformers”, are the Catholic reformers to be called Reformers 🙂 ? That’s too confusing. Surely it’s better to use neutral vocabulary, when this is available, rather than the kind that is slanted by implying sympathies in one or other direction.
 
The subject of nomenclature has, I believe, been resolved earlier on in this thread. I would like to move onto the subject of the thread. If Catholics have stories to relate about good experiences or good lessons learned from non-Catholic Christians then please post them here. Thank you for the respect I hope you will show.
 
Ani_Ibi said:
The subject of nomenclature has, I believe, been resolved earlier on in this thread. I would like to move onto the subject of the thread. If Catholics have stories to relate about good experiences or good lessons learned from non-Catholic Christians then please post them here. Thank you for the respect I hope you will show.
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You guys heard the lady…
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Ani_Ibi said:
Catholics: Have there been Reformers (in your personal life rather than in your reading life) who have given you exceptionally truthful insights into the Gospel or whose witness by means of lives lived faithfully has shed light on your Christian path?

Would you be willing to share these insights and witnesses with us? Thank you.

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Yes, plenty of Protestants had a positive effect on my faith in college, particularly my Pentecostalist girlfriend.
 
Ani_Ibi said:
Can you tell us the story please? Thank you.
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Um … that was pretty much the story right there. I made friends with a bunch of Pentecostalists in college and dated one for about a year and a half. She and I would go to Catholic Mass on Saturday evening and Pentecostal services on Sunday morning. That’s a lot of churchin’ every weekend. We would read the Bible together and pray together, too.
 
In all honesty, I can’t think of a one.

My wife on the other hand was inspired by her grandmother, however, a Presbyterian who always insisted on taking her and her sister to church when her parents would not and who set a great Christian example for my wife growing up which she otherwise would not have had.
 
Gamera said:
Um … that was pretty much the story right there. I made friends with a bunch of Pentecostalists in college and dated one for about a year and a half. She and I would go to Catholic Mass on Saturday evening and Pentecostal services on Sunday morning. That’s a lot of churchin’ every weekend. We would read the Bible together and pray together, too.
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It must have been confusing to run down to the altar in the Pentecostal service while resisting the urge to bow before it!

Likewise, speaking in tongues during a Mass might make for some interesting reactions.

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