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palmas85
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If we are now being guided towards truth, then where are we being guided from?
I anxiously await your response to this one.
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I anxiously await your response to this one.
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Greg72
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Well, I won’t keep you waiting then
I didn’t mean it in as broad a sense as you imply.
The Church cannot teach error.
I meant it in the case of abondoning the theory of Limbo - that we are being guided towards a greater appreciation of the extent of God’s mercy and away from a restrictive view of it.
I know that nobody here needs a theology lesson - I’m just going to try to explain where I’m coming from :
The One who’s birth we are preparing to celebrate is the One who will return to judge us all. He was given that authority. One drop of His Precious Blood would have redeemed the world, but look at how much of it He shed for us; all that He suffered for us. His love is immeasurable for He is Love itself.
For me, the idea of unbaptized infants going to heaven isn’t just about feel-good theology (though I certainly feel good about it), but also about the Love that God has shown us in so many ways and the fact that He doesn’t want a single one of us to be lost.
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Greg72
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I don’t know much about the Arians (as I said - I have some holiday reading to do), but the protestants left the Church - they don’t have the same protection or assurance that we do as a body. Their communities are as likely to be guided by the spirit of the age as they are the Holy Spirit.
I’m glad to hear that.
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Walking_Home
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We are just as human as they are. One of our weaknesses is that we can be led into deception. The Arian heresy and every other heresy which has threatened the Church is proof of that.
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surgei
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I think it awsome that this topic is being re-evaluated by Catholics. Other than the Immaculate Conception and Papal infalability the differences east and west are not found in the official teachings of eatihter Church (western use of official teaching). The current topic was one of them that the East could not accept and still be in the traditions handed to her.
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Walking_Home
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Well, I won’t keep you waiting then
I didn’t mean it in as broad a sense as you imply.
The Church cannot teach error.
I meant it in the case of abondoning the theory of Limbo - that we are being guided towards a greater appreciation of the extent of God’s mercy and away from a restrictive view of it.
I know that nobody here needs a theology lesson - I’m just going to try to explain where I’m coming from :
The One who’s birth we are preparing to celebrate is the One who will return to judge us all. He was given that authority. One drop of His Precious Blood would have redeemed the world, but look at how much of it He shed for us; all that He suffered for us. His love is immeasurable for He is Love itself.
For me, the idea of unbaptized infants going to heaven isn’t just about feel-good theology (though I certainly feel good about it), but also about the Love that God has shown us in so many ways and the fact that He doesn’t want a single one of us to be lost.
This would mean—falling into presumption.
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Jerry-Jet
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Who believes in limbo more–sedevacanists or traditionalists?
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ttaylor
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I’m sorry to say this, but this whole conversation is pretty stupid… You’re just voicing opinions about something that no one can prove. A limbo does not exist except in mind… It doesn’t matter what belief you are. Try to understand this people.
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Walking_Home
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Well – from your above statement–your words are empty.
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palmas85
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Thats all well and good. You didn’t answer the question though. If we are NOW being guided towards the truth then previously where were we? We were either in touch with the truth or not. Partial truth perhaps? I don’t think that is what you want to say. Or is it?Well, I won’t keep you waiting then
I didn’t mean it in as broad a sense as you imply.
The Church cannot teach error.
I meant it in the case of abondoning the theory of Limbo - that we are being guided towards a greater appreciation of the extent of God’s mercy and away from a restrictive view of it.
I know that nobody here needs a theology lesson - I’m just going to try to explain where I’m coming from :
The One who’s birth we are preparing to celebrate is the One who will return to judge us all. He was given that authority. One drop of His Precious Blood would have redeemed the world, but look at how much of it He shed for us; all that He suffered for us. His love is immeasurable for He is Love itself.
For me, the idea of unbaptized infants going to heaven isn’t just about feel-good theology (though I certainly feel good about it), but also about the Love that God has shown us in so many ways and the fact that He doesn’t want a single one of us to be lost.
You really can’t have it both ways,
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mangy_dog
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Yes! it’s called Limbo. Children in Limbo are happy and at peace. We cannot comprehend or get wrapped around the proverbial axle, wondering about the esoterics and supernatural gyrations of a realm that is within God’s mercy.
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you can philosophize to your heart’s content. It doesn’t matter.
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Greg72
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Yes, we as individuals certainly can, but the Divine institution that points out the heresies cannot be mislead.
BTW, I have learned what the Arian heresy was (and was reminded of someone who told me that many (most?) heresies arise from taking an idea too far.
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Greg72
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I agree that it’s good that the topic is being looked into. I’m curious, however, what the Orthodox believe regarding the fate of unbaptized infants who have died.
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Greg72
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Presuming what exactly?
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Greg72
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I believe that while other faith communities are drifting further into error, that the Church is holding fast to Truth and correcting error when it arises.
I believe that Limbo is an imperfect theory and that it should be discarded. It was never formally recognised as a True teaching of the Church, so there is no contradiction in teaching against it.
I will, however, happily accept whatever Holy Mother Church decides to teach on the matter (well, not “happily” really, but obediently).
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Walking_Home
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Heresies can and have taken many into error — that is our history. Eventually the Holy Spirit guides their suppression — but in the meantime error and deception does live. It took a long time and a Council to suppress the Arian heresy. The Council of Trent addressed the Ultraquist heresy — yet there are indications that it is alive again in our current Church.
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Walking_Home
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Presuming on God’s love and mercy.
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mangy_dog
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Whoaaa!!!
Lets Limbo - Jimbo!!
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How Lo’ can you go…woo hooooooooooo.
Lets Limbo - Jimbo!!
:extrahappy:How Lo’ can you go…woo hooooooooooo.
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Walking_Home
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How do we get from pt A to pt B (taking an idea too far). Start by implanting a “new ideology”/ a “new understanding” into the minds of the people. God loves us all – so how could the unbaptised infants be denied heaven. Heresy has its beginning.
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I didn’t really like the way they portrayed the Church up until Vatican II as having lost touch with early Christianity. They seem to suggest that infant baptism and catechesis of those baptized as children was some kind of innovation in the Catholic Church, which I disagree with.
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Since I only attended day one of their seminar, I don’t remember that it was discussed. Their suggestion that the early church didn’t baptize infants made me skeptical of their orthodoxy. I presume that they just mispoke or phrased it poorly.
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Ignatius
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Not only was it ever Dogma, it was never Doctrine. It was at best a speculation of some theologins.
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