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Ok, so I read on here the other night that the pope doesn’t believe in limbo. Does this mean that we can no longer believe or is it only his opinion?
Secondly, I read that he believes that newborns who die before baptism go to heaven. Is this true? If it is, then what about that little problem of original sin? Why bother baptising babies at all?
I hope I have misunderstood because if not I am a very confused Catholic.
Let me say I love the Holy Father, but I don’t understand these positions if they are true.
 
Limbo was never a doctrinal teaching. It was a theory–a lot like the theory of, say, the sun revolving around the earth. From the perspective of most people throughout history until fairly recent times (and I say this because the theory that the earth revolved around the sun, not vice versa, existed among individuals before Copernicus et.al), who looked up in the morning and saw the sun APPEAR to move across the sky, it seemed quite obviously that it anything was moving, it was the sun, not the earth.

We know differently now, and so that theory has been pretty well disproven.

Still, the basic truths that there exists a sun, a moon, time, days and nights etc., remain. The basics have not changed.

Same with Limbo. The theory was that since Baptism is the nominative or normal method of salvation, and that all humanity save Adam and Eve, Mary, and Jesus have been afflicted with original sin, that if an infant dies before Baptism, in original sin, he/she could not enter heaven, at least in the normative way. But the infants had not committed personal sin. A theory developed that God (who is all merciful) might have a place of ‘natural happiness’ set aside for such infants.

But this was only a theory, like the geocentric theory of old.

We do know that Baptism is the normative way for salvation. That is basic; it doesn’t change. We also know that God is all-merciful. That hasn’t changed.

But people were misunderstanding the Church’s teaching. With the doctrine of Limbo seeming to many to be ‘dogmatic teaching’, and with the rise of abortion rates, many were questioning whether the sin of abortion was ‘mitigated’ in a sense because God had ‘planned out’ Limbo. Others were questioning the ‘fairness’ of God in punishing (in their mind) the infants while over the last 35 years more and more parents were engaging in the sin of aborting their children, with no divine punishment and more and more people attempting to argue that abortion was a GOOD thing.

And so the Church (which had been considering this matter, as indeed it does to all that goes on within the Church) prayed and pondered, and our Holy Father has recently spoken out trying to make things more clear. . .that Limbo never was ‘dogma or doctrine’, and that we need to trust these infants to God.

The basics haven’t changed. Limbo as a theory was ‘trusting the infants to God’ in that it hoped that God would not send the infants to hell.

That hasn’t changed. We still trust that God will not send these innocents to hell for their lack of baptism is not their choice. We actually see that God is not limited to a ‘limbo’ but can have a wider–an infinite–field for His mercy. So we trust those innocent little children TO his mercy.
 
Ok, so I read on here the other night that the pope doesn’t believe in limbo. Does this mean that we can no longer believe or is it only his opinion?
Secondly, I read that he believes that newborns who die before baptism go to heaven. Is this true? If it is, then what about that little problem of original sin? Why bother baptising babies at all?
I hope I have misunderstood because if not I am a very confused Catholic.
Let me say I love the Holy Father, but I don’t understand these positions if they are true.
Limbo was never a doctrine in the church, but just a commonly thought belief. There never was a limbo for babies. They go straight to heaven. The holy father wanted to make this more clear. All souls desire Christ’s love especially children because of this, their souls are affectively baptized when and if they die before a traditional baptism can be administered. This is by baptism of desire.

Christ made it very clear baptism is necessary for salvation. If parents knowingly chose not to baptize a kid they are putting their own salvation in jeopardy by withholding salvation from a innocent child- as it said by Jesus.
(Luke 18:15-17)
Now they were bringing even infants to him that he might touch them; and when the disciples saw it, they rebuked them. But Jesus called them to him, saying, “Let the children come to me, and do not hinder them; for to such belongs the kingdom of God. Truly, I say to you, whoever does not receive the kingdom of God like a child shall not enter it.”
Keep in there are still Catholics who still believe in Limbo. God would never condemn a soul to be eternally separated from Him if it truly desired his love, like that of a baby. Like the poster above said, we trust them to His mercy.
 
Could somebody give me a link to where the Pope said there is no limbo? I know he had scholars look into the topic of limbo, but I’m unaware of any definitive statements issued by the Pope regarding it. Thanks in advance.

I believe, the term “limbo” was originally used to designate the place where good people, who died prior to Our Lord’s coming, went - to wait until heaven’s gates had been opened thru His passion and death. A place not in heaven, but not in hell either. Later, the term was used to include where unbaptized babies went also. (Tantum ergo gave the logic for that opinion.)

Nita
 
Could somebody give me a link to where the Pope said there is no limbo? I know he had scholars look into the topic of limbo, but I’m unaware of any definitive statements issued by the Pope regarding it. Thanks in advance.

I believe, the term “limbo” was originally used to designate the place where good people, who died prior to Our Lord’s coming, went - to wait until heaven’s gates had been opened thru His passion and death. A place not in heaven, but not in hell either. Later, the term was used to include where unbaptized babies went also. (Tantum ergo gave the logic for that opinion.)

Nita
The Pope did not say there is no limbo. He said that it never has been nor is a Church doctrine. The Church teaches clearly that it doesn’t know what happens to unbaptised children and that it entrusts them to the mercy of God.

CCC 1261 As regards children who have died without Baptism, the Church can only entrust them to the mercy of God, as she does in her funeral rites for them. Indeed, the great mercy of God who desires that all men should be saved, and Jesus’ tenderness toward children which caused him to say: “Let the children come to me, do not hinder them,” allow us to hope that there is a way of salvation for children who have died without Baptism. All the more urgent is the Church’s call not to prevent little children coming to Christ through the gift of holy Baptism.
 
Ok, so I read on here the other night that the pope doesn’t believe in limbo. Does this mean that we can no longer believe or is it only his opinion?
Secondly, I read that he believes that newborns who die before baptism go to heaven. Is this true? If it is, then what about that little problem of original sin? Why bother baptising babies at all?
I hope I have misunderstood because if not I am a very confused Catholic.
Let me say I love the Holy Father, but I don’t understand these positions if they are true.
You have misunderstood or maybe read something by someone who misunderstood.

The pope just like any other person is free to believe in Limbo or not. He said that the souls of unbaptized infants are with Christ. He has not said that they are in Heaven, or specifically in the Beatific Vision.
 
All that has happened is that a commission has re-affirmed the fact that God has not revealed to us (and in particular, to his Church) what happens to those who die without water baptism and also without personal sin. So all we can do is speculate, and limbo (limbo of the infants) is one such speculation. That’s all it ever was, a speculation.
 
The Pope did not say there is no limbo. He said that it never has been nor is a Church doctrine. The Church teaches clearly that it doesn’t know what happens to unbaptised children and that it entrusts them to the mercy of God.
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Thanks for clarifying and clearing up the misconception.

Nita
 
Thank you all for your wonderful feedback. I think often times people misinterpret the pope’s words. Also, they think that everything he says or writes is automatically infallible. These mistakes can lead to lots of theological problems if not corrected. Thanks again for putting the whole issue in perspective for me.
 
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