List of common fallacies of Atheists

[Joe_Kelley]

Radio waves are NOT immaterial.

So what material are they made of? Ether?

 

[hatsoff]

So what material are they made of? Ether?

Radio waves aren’t “made” of matter, but describe a certain continuous state of matter. Specifically, they refer to a spectrum of electromagnetic radiation, which is comprised of a particular flow of energy. And energy, of course, is a property of matter.

 

[Joe_Kelley]

Radio waves aren’t “made” of matter, but describe a certain continuous state of matter. Specifically, they refer to a spectrum of electromagnetic radiation, which is comprised of a particular flow of energy. And energy, of course, is a property of matter.

Is there matter in a vacuum?

 

[hatsoff]

Is there matter in a vacuum?

By one common definition, a perfect vacuum contains no matter. Of course, in practice, vacuums always contain some quantity of matter. Moreover, physics is leading us down strange roads, so one cannot say with certainty what “empty” space is or isn’t.

 

[AnAtheist]

So what material are they made of? Ether?

How about photons?

 

[AnAtheist]

Is there matter in a vacuum?

Of course there is. Vacuum is full of matter, virtual particles aplenty, which are e.g. responsible for the vacuum’s characteristic wave impedence.

Have you missed physics classes in school or is this an attempt to be ironic?

 

[Joe_Kelley]

Of course there is. Vacuum is full of matter, virtual particles aplenty, which are e.g. responsible for the vacuum’s characteristic wave impedence.

Have you missed physics classes in school or is this an attempt to be ironic?

I have a PhD in Physics. Always classed virtual particles with ether and imaginary beings.

 

[hatsoff]

I have a PhD in Physics. Always classed virtual particles with ether and imaginary beings.

Perhaps, then, it would benefit the discussion to say that waves traveling through truly empty space do not exist except in math models.

 

[Benadam]

Perhaps, then, it would benefit the discussion to say that waves traveling through truly empty space do not exist except in math models.

so, all the above except empty space are contingent on human imagination?

 

[hatsoff]

so, all the above except empty space are contingent on human imagination?

If by “all” you mean the math models, then yes.

 

[Benadam]

So math models are not necessarily contingent on human imagination?

 

[Benadam]

If by “all” you mean the math models, then yes.

Ok, so trully empty space may or may not exist or it does in fact exist since it’s not contingent on math models?

 

[geekborj]

Errm…Athiest here. This above is the only statement that I would agree to with all your supposed athiest arguments. Atheism is not a faith. It’s a lack-of. And the ultimate questions of existance, we usually put down to a “We don’t know”. This is not “faith” it’s an acceptance of a lack of knowlege.

Isn’t the “lack-of faith” kind of belief actually a type of “faith” in itself? Indeed, ultimate questions (of existence or otherwise) all end up with principles or axioms “held true.” Being held true (either via “I don’t know (yet)” or some other accepted truths) without any further question leads to that idea called “faith.” Hence, atheism is a faith-system without god (or gods).

 

[hatsoff]

Ok, so trully empty space may or may not exist or it does in fact exist since it’s not contingent on math models?

I would not say that absolutely empty space “exists,” no.

 

[Matthias123]

What about the motion from no-being to being, is that material? What about the idea of matter? How are you going to know matter if the idea of matter is made out of matter? What about existence? Is it made of matter?

What about attributes? What about species? What about logic?

There are so many errors in materialism one could go on forever.

 

[hatsoff]

What about the motion from no-being to being, is that material? What about the idea of matter? How are you going to know matter if the idea of matter is made out of matter? What about existence? Is it made of matter?

What about attributes? What about species? What about logic?

There are so many errors in materialism one could go on forever.

As far as I can tell, there is no such thing as “the motion from no-being to being.” As for concepts and classes thereof, like

the idea of matter,
existence,
attributes,
species, and
logic,

these things do not “exist” except insofar as physical brains think about them.

 

[Joe_Kelley]

Perhaps, then, it would benefit the discussion to say that waves traveling through truly empty space do not exist except in math models.

So waves coming from the sun vanish at the outer edge of the corona and reappear 8 minutes later at the earth’s atmosphere?

 

[Matthias123]

As far as I can tell, there is no such thing as “the motion from no-being to being.” As for concepts and classes thereof, like

the idea of matter,
existence,
attributes,
species, and
logic,

these things do not “exist” except insofar as physical brains think about them.

As far as I can tell, there is no such thing as “the motion from no-being to being.”

So you don’t think things come into existence? You don’t think things go out of existence?

You don’t think mathematical logic exists outside our minds? You don’t think the attribute of redness exists outside our mind? You don’t think the attribute of roundness exists outside our minds?

You don’t think distinctions between species, like Dog or Cat exist outside of our minds?

Existence HAS to exist outside of our mind. Otherwise you would not exist.

 

[hatsoff]

So waves coming from the sun vanish at the outer edge of the corona and reappear 8 minutes later at the earth’s atmosphere?

The space between the earth and sun is not absolutely empty.

 

[hatsoff]

So you don’t think things come into existence? You don’t think things go out of existence?

Not in the way you apparently imagine, no.

You don’t think mathematical logic exists outside our minds? You don’t think the attribute of redness exists outside our mind? You don’t think the attribute of roundness exists outside our minds?

You don’t think distinctions between species, like Dog or Cat exist outside of our minds?

I’m quite sure that those things do not exist at all, except insofar as they are concepts which physical brains may conceive.

Existence HAS to exist outside of our mind. Otherwise you would not exist.

That’s what you believe, apparently. But I have no reason to accept it as true, and I have to wonder if you do, either.