List of fundamentalist/evangelical "traditions"

[ConstantineTG]

I thought it was:

1. Thinking the Catholic Church is wrong
2. Saying the Catholic Church is wrong
3. Finding ways the Catholic Church is wrong

 

[PRmerger]

In my experience, protestants don’t object to people having “traditions” they object to the idea that Tradition (big T) is of the same status and weight as Scripture.

That’s a different animal, manualman.

There are indeed some folks who object to any Catholic belief/practice/teaching that can’t be explicitly found in the Scriptures. They call what we do, then, a tradition of men.

And yet, it appears, they have a whole bunch of traditions of men of their own.

 

[JillianRose]

I thought it was:

1. Thinking the Catholic Church is wrong
2. Saying the Catholic Church is wrong
3. Finding ways the Catholic Church is wrong

OMGosh this is so true among the calvinist sects!! lol

 

[firstmode]

Many fundamentalists and evangelicals consistantly say Catholics rely too much on “tradition”, while they do not.
Well, just off the top of my head I can name quite a few.
Feel free to add any I’ve missed.

Sunday school hour.
Sunday night services
Family altar
Standards.
Bus ministry
Old time hymns
King James Bible only
Wednesday night Bible study
Amens
Soul winning
Altars Calls
VBS.
Children choirs
Tithes and Offerings

In reference to AMENs:

2 Corinthians 1:20

New International Version (NIV)

20 For no matter how many promises God has made, they are “Yes” in Christ. And so through him the “Amen” is spoken by us to the glory of God.

Revelation 7:12
saying: “Amen! Praise and glory and wisdom and thanks and honor and power and strength be to our God for ever and ever. Amen!”

Revelation 19:4
The twenty-four elders and the four living creatures fell down and worshiped God, who was seated on the throne. And they cried: “Amen, Hallelujah!”

 

[firstmode]

In reference to AMENs:

2 Corinthians 1:20

New International Version (NIV)

20 For no matter how many promises God has made, they are “Yes” in Christ. And so through him the “Amen” is spoken by us to the glory of God.

Revelation 7:12
saying: “Amen! Praise and glory and wisdom and thanks and honor and power and strength be to our God for ever and ever. Amen!”

Revelation 19:4
The twenty-four elders and the four living creatures fell down and worshiped God, who was seated on the throne. And they cried: “Amen, Hallelujah!”

Look at the exclamation points! AMEN! Hallelujah! I am pretty sure they are not wispering those phrases, If that is how the people surrounding God in heaven right now worship Him, I think I can have EXCLAMATION in my worship here on Earth as I worship Him on the throne. Just my opinion.

 

[Kristin234]

What we mean, Kristin, is the same thing that some non-Catholics mean when they object to our “traditions”; that is,** anything that Catholics do, believe, profess and proclaim that is not found in the Bible.**To these folks, these “traditions” that are part of Catholicism are wrong because the Bible doesn’t explicitly mention them. To wit: purgatory, praying to Mary, the Assumption of Mary, relics, veneration of the saints, fasting on Good Friday, wearing ashes on the forehead, etc etc etc.

As it turns out, there are a multitude of Protestant “traditions” that are also not explicitly mentioned in the Bible, yet are part of the culture of a particular church.

JustaServant mentioned some.

Here’s some more:

Having a steeple on your spire–not found in the Bible.

Bowing one’s head and folding one’s hands when praying–not found in the Bible.

Saying, “Jesus chose the nails”–not found in the Bible.

Music during worship services–not found in the Bible.

Stairs up to the altar–not found in the Bible. (In fact, I had a very fundamentalist Christian oppose the fact that Catholics had stairs leading up to their altars in some churches, “doesn’t it also state that there should be no stairs leading to G_d’s altar?” Who would have thought this was an abomination?? But, it’s true: there is no specific injunction in the Bible to have stairs leading to your altar. So if your church has one, Kristin, you’re practicing something not found in the Bible.

None of that is tradition. Just because it isn’t found in the Bible doesn’t mean it is tradition. I occasionally choose to watch TV. That isn’t found in the Bible. That does not mean it is a tradition.

 

[PRmerger]

None of that is tradition. Just because it isn’t found in the Bible doesn’t mean it is tradition. I occasionally choose to watch TV. That isn’t found in the Bible. That does not mean it is a tradition.

'zactly.

And just because purgatory, or fasting on Fridays, or veneration of the saints aren’t explicitly found in the Bible doesn’t mean they are a tradition.

We are agreed, then?

 

[Cable]

I thought it was:

1. Thinking the Catholic Church is wrong
2. Saying the Catholic Church is wrong
3. Finding ways the Catholic Church is wrong

• The Church isn’t wrong on any doctrines concerning faith & morals.

And anyway, traditions are good. Every family has them.

 

[Mystophilus]

Feel free to add any I’ve missed.

IV. The authority of the Holy Scripture, for which it ought to be believed, and obeyed, depends not upon the testimony of any man, or Church; but wholly upon God (who is truth itself) the author thereof: and therefore it is to be received, because it is the Word of God.

V. We may be moved and induced by the testimony of the Church to an high and reverent esteem of the Holy Scripture. And the heavenliness of the matter, the efficacy of the doctrine, the majesty of the style, the consent of all the parts, the scope of the whole (which is, to give all glory to God), the full discovery it makes of the only way of man’s salvation, the many other incomparable excellencies, and the entire perfection thereof, are arguments whereby it does abundantly evidence itself to be the Word of God: yet notwithstanding, our full persuasion and assurance of the infallible truth and divine authority thereof, is from the inward work of the Holy Spirit bearing witness by and with the Word in our hearts.

VI. The whole counsel of God concerning all things necessary for His own glory, man’s salvation, faith and life, is either expressly set down in Scripture, or by good and necessary consequence may be deduced from Scripture: unto which nothing at any time is to be added, whether by new revelations of the Spirit, or traditions of men. Nevertheless, we acknowledge the inward illumination of the Spirit of God to be necessary for the saving understanding of such things as are revealed in the Word: and that there are some circumstances concerning the worship of God, and government of the Church, common to human actions and societies, which are to be ordered by the light of nature, and Christian prudence, according to the general rules of the Word, which are always to be observed.

VII. All things in Scripture are not alike plain in themselves, nor alike clear unto all: yet those things which are necessary to be known, believed, and observed for salvation are so clearly propounded, and opened in some place of Scripture or other, that not only the learned, but the unlearned, in a due use of the ordinary means, may attain unto a sufficient understanding of them.(Westminster Confession of Faith, ch1)

 

[Cable]

None of that is tradition. Just because it isn’t found in the Bible doesn’t mean it is tradition. I occasionally choose to watch TV. That isn’t found in the Bible. That does not mean it is a tradition.

Just because it isn’t in the Bible doesn’t mean it isn’t true.

If a formal religious ritual like an altar call that was passed down to the group by word of mouth and practice isn’t a tradition - then what is it.

 

[Cable]

IV. The authority of the Holy Scripture, for which it ought to be believed, and obeyed, depends not upon the testimony of any man, or Church; but wholly upon God (who is truth itself) the author thereof: and therefore it is to be received, because it is the Word of God.

“…This is my body, which is given for you…This is my blood which is given for you, do this in remembrance of me…” Which one does Scripture say is True and how is it to be obeyed:

A) The bread and wine symbolize Christ’s body and blood and it’s strictly a memorial
B) " " but God transmits His grace to us in it
C) " contain Christ’s body, blood, soul & Divinity
D) " become Christ’s body, blood, soul & Divinity, but retain the appearance of bread and wine

 

[PRmerger]

Many fundamentalists and evangelicals consistantly say Catholics rely too much on “tradition”, while they do not.
Well, just off the top of my head I can name quite a few.
Feel free to add any I’ve missed.

Sunday school hour.
Sunday night services
Family altar
Standards.
Bus ministry
Old time hymns
King James Bible only
Wednesday night Bible study
Amens
Soul winning
Altars Calls
VBS.
Children choirs
Tithes and Offerings

Oh, and some more I just remembered:

Scripture interprets itself–not found in any pages of the Bible.

Scripture is self-authenticating–not found in any pages of the Bible.

Mark wrote the Gospel of Mark–not found in any pages of the Bible.

Hebrews is inspired and belongs in the Bible–not found in any pages of the Bible.

NT books need to be written by an eyewitness–not found in any pages of the Bible.

Oral Tradition existed, but it lasted only until the death of the last apostle–not found in any pages of the Bible.

Infallibility ceased with the death of the last apostle–not found in any pages of the Bible.

The books of the NT will contain “internal evidence” that lets us know that they are inspired–not found in any pages of the Bible.

The only infallible source of God’s revelation is the Bible–not found in any pages of the Bible.

Mary had other children–not find in any pages of the Bible.

And, last but not least…

Asking a Christian, “Where is that found in the Bible because otherwise, you’re not supposed to believe it?”–not found in a single page of the Bible!

 

[JustaServant]

In reference to AMENs:

2 Corinthians 1:20

New International Version (NIV)

20 For no matter how many promises God has made, they are “Yes” in Christ. And so through him the “Amen” is spoken by us to the glory of God.

Revelation 7:12
saying: “Amen! Praise and glory and wisdom and thanks and honor and power and strength be to our God for ever and ever. Amen!”

Revelation 19:4
The twenty-four elders and the four living creatures fell down and worshiped God, who was seated on the throne. And they cried: “Amen, Hallelujah!”

Calm down. Did you ignore the wink in OP?
Catholics say Amen all the time.
But in fundamentalist/evangelical circles (not necessarily Protestant) the “amens” are to “fire up” the preacher man.

 

[MollyMac]

What we mean, Kristin, is the same thing that some non-Catholics mean when they object to our “traditions”; that is,** anything that Catholics do, believe, profess and proclaim that is not found in the Bible.**To these folks, these “traditions” that are part of Catholicism are wrong because the Bible doesn’t explicitly mention them. To wit: purgatory, praying to Mary, the Assumption of Mary, relics, veneration of the saints, fasting on Good Friday, wearing ashes on the forehead, etc etc etc.

As it turns out, there are a multitude of Protestant “traditions” that are also not explicitly mentioned in the Bible, yet are part of the culture of a particular church.

JustaServant mentioned some.

Here’s some more:

Having a steeple on your spire–not found in the Bible.

Bowing one’s head and folding one’s hands when praying–not found in the Bible.

Saying, “Jesus chose the nails”–not found in the Bible.

Music during worship services–not found in the Bible.

Stairs up to the altar–not found in the Bible. (In fact, I had a very fundamentalist Christian oppose the fact that Catholics had stairs leading up to their altars in some churches, “doesn’t it also state that there should be no stairs leading to G_d’s altar?” Who would have thought this was an abomination?? But, it’s true: there is no specific injunction in the Bible to have stairs leading to your altar. So if your church has one, Kristin, you’re practicing something not found in the Bible.

This is an interesting thread. What I can say in response to the list of yours and justaservant is-
Not all pertain to all protestant churches and they are not doctrinal traditions. I can understand on the outside that they are “traditions” but they are not traditions in the respect that a protestant must accept them or they lose communion with their church. Some of these are just petty opinions.

One sentence out of the list I would beg to differ with. There was music in the worship of God. Read the Old Testament. Specifically when the Israelites were in the desert and the building of Solomon’s temple, Judges 5, the Psalms. You can find music everywhere.

 

[Kristin234]

This is an interesting thread. What I can say in response to the list of yours and justaservant is-
Not all pertain to all protestant churches and they are not doctrinal traditions. I can understand on the outside that they are “traditions” but they are not traditions in the respect that a protestant must accept them or they lose communion with their church. Some of these are just petty opinions.

One sentence out of the list I would beg to differ with. There was music in the worship of God. Read the Old Testament. Specifically when the Israelites were in the desert and the building of Solomon’s temple, Judges 5, the Psalms. You can find music everywhere.

That is what I was trying to say. My church doesn’t say I must say Amen. My church doesn’t have to have a spire on a steeple. My church doesn’t say I have to fold my hands during prayer. None of this is necessary to my faith whereas the Catholic tradition is necessary. That is the difference.

And you are correct, music is most definitely mentioned in the Bible.
“Let them praise his name with dancing, making melody to him with tambourine and lyre!”
“Praise him with tambourine and dance; praise him with strings and pipe!”

 

[Patavium]

That is what I was trying to say. My church doesn’t say I must say Amen. My church doesn’t have to have a spire on a steeple. My church doesn’t say I have to fold my hands during prayer. None of this is necessary to my faith whereas the Catholic tradition is necessary. That is the difference.

And you are correct, music is most definitely mentioned in the Bible.
“Let them praise his name with dancing, making melody to him with tambourine and lyre!”
“Praise him with tambourine and dance; praise him with strings and pipe!”

The problem is the leaders of your Church appointed themselves as representatives of Jesus, Presbyters. In contrast, the Catholic Church can trace its presbyters back to the Apostles themselves, which were appointed by Jesus Christ himself. We have a unbroken Apostolic line. Thus, the apostles taught their successors, and these successors taught their successors and so on. It was taught that for devotion, meditation, it is better to kneel, to put the hands together praying, do the sign of the cross, and other sacramentals, because they help us connect more with our Lord, Jesus Christ. We follow what they taught, which comes directly from Jesus Christ, and their own experience with God.

Remember that the bible is not comprehensive.

[BIBLEDRB]John 21:25[/BIBLEDRB]

 

[Kristin234]

The problem is the leaders of your Church appointed themselves as representatives of Jesus, Presbyters. In contrast, the Catholic Church can trace its presbyters back to the Apostles themselves, which were appointed by Jesus Christ himself. We have a unbroken Apostolic line. Thus, the apostles taught their successors, and these successors taught their successors and so on. It was taught that for devotion, meditation, it is better to kneel, to put the hands together praying, do the sign of the cross, and other sacramentals, because they help us connect more with our Lord, Jesus Christ. We follow what they taught, which comes directly from Jesus Christ, and their own experience with God.

Remember that the bible is not comprehensive.

[BIBLEDRB]John 21:25[/BIBLEDRB]

I know that there were probably thousands of other things that Jesus probably did. Here’s the thing though, the Bible was made possible by God. It was His Spirit that guided men to write things down. If God wanted us to know/do something important would He not have put it in His book to make it possible for all to read?

Also, the Bible says that all believers should be representatives of Christ.
“And whatever you do, whether in word or deed, do it all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through him.”

When I talk about Jesus Christ I am representing Him. When I, as a Christian, am doing something in His name I am representing Christ.

 

[regression]

I know that there were probably thousands of other things that Jesus probably did. Here’s the thing though, the Bible was made possible by God. It was His Spirit that guided men to write things down. If God wanted us to know/do something important would He not have put it in His book to make it possible for all to read?

But isn’t that making an assumption that if something is important, it has to be in the bible? Yet that statement isn’t in the bible. Also, you are assuming high literacy rates throughout history. Also, the availability of books was very different pre-printing press. And, It wasn’t until around the year 400 that “the bible” was declared cannon. What about those 400 years prior to that?

 

[Patavium]

I know that there were probably thousands of other things that Jesus probably did. Here’s the thing though, the Bible was made possible by God. It was His Spirit that guided men to write things down. If God wanted us to know/do something important would He not have put it in His book to make it possible for all to read?

Also, the Bible says that all believers should be representatives of Christ.
“And whatever you do, whether in word or deed, do it all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through him.”

When I talk about Jesus Christ I am representing Him. When I, as a Christian, am doing something in His name I am representing Christ.

Yes, and the bible was put together. So when you open the bible, where does it points you to? The Church founded by Jesus Christ through St. Peter, and I will be BOLD and say, You are not part of that Church.

 

[Kristin234]

Yes, and the bible was put together. So when you open the bible, where does it points you to? The Church founded by Jesus Christ through St. Peter, and I will be BOLD and say, You are not part of that Church.

The Bible points me to Jesus Christ. I am a part of HIS body because it is Him who I have faith in and follow.

By the way, the Orthodox church will say the same about you. So will other Apostolic churches.