Listening to certain songs

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grandfather said:
Why do you suppose that is?
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because rock has always had a spirit of rebellion (against any and everything), and, because rock is very commonly about sex (Heatwave is not about the weather). even a cursory glance on this forum will show that virtually everything having to do with sex and the unmarried young is a sin (dating, “cuddling”, kissing, I kid you not).
 
Il_Cattivo said:
I used to listen to Satanic death/black metal (e.g. behemoth, nile, dissection) thrash metal, metallica, slayer, classic rock led zepp, pink floyd, metalheads know what I’m talking about… I became a Christian and now I don’t listen to anything that isn’t Christian unless its mozart or something… I think its a venial sin to listen to antichristian or even immoral lyrics if you know ahead of time, just my opinion of course and how I live my life
  • I can’t deal with christian rock. it doesn’t speak to the spirit of rock and roll.*
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While I agree that using the word “retarded” was rather unnecessary, I think your fecetiousness is a bit excessive when some posters seem to take your comments seriously.
 
CTA1967 said:
Not true. Much of '50s rock had nothing to do with rebellion. Some sexual references, but not usually. And even in the sixties and seventies, there were songs like these:
stevesbeatles.com/songs/revolution.asp
music.yahoo.com/The-Moody-Blues/Im-Just-A-Singer-In-A-Rock-And-Roll-Band/lyrics/16473920
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I disagree. a lot of what charted well in the 50s I wouldn’t call rock and roll: broadway hits, sinatra and friends, movie soundtracks. it would be interesting to look at the billboard charts and looking at what charted that was rock to see how well rebellion and sex sold, even if was masked (*Shake, rattle and roll *was about what?).

you’re on a forum where there’s serious discussion about whether kids dating, holding hands or kissing is sinful. come on, rock and roll was something you liked because your parents though it a bad influence.
 
CTA1967 said:
While I agree that using the word “retarded” was rather unnecessary, I think your fecetiousness is a bit excessive when some posters seem to take your comments seriously.
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  • “Apology accepted, Captain Needa.”*
 
Padilla7921 said:
Avenged Sevenfold is actually my favorite band (just ahead of GNR). For those of you who don’t know them, the vast majority of their songs pertain to either religion, spirituality, or more specifically, Christianity. While each member claims to be atheist, I would put money on it that they claim this for these two reasons: (1) to “allow” themselves to live their lives the way they desire to and (2) to not alienate a highly patronizing demographic of supporters.

Back on topic…I like some Christian music. Haste the Day, Blindside, and Dead Poetic are a few of my favorite bands (in general, not just in this Christian subgenre). However, in response to TBT, “secular” music is no problem, as long as you aren’t being negatively influenced by it or anything along those lines.
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What? When did they say they were atheists??? I don’t remember hearing this! I’m freakin’ out! :eek:

But seriously, I thought they were just Catholics who didn’t practice their faith… technically, that’s still being Catholic.

I know admitting to being a part of a religion would be bad for publicity, but really? Athiests?

Sorry for my worrying. :o

Ironically Yours, Blade and Blood
 
Wirraway said:
I disagree. a lot of what charted well in the 50s I wouldn’t call rock and roll: broadway hits, sinatra and friends, movie soundtracks. it would be interesting to look at the billboard charts and looking at what charted that was rock to see how well rebellion and sex sold, even if was masked (*Shake, rattle and roll *was about what?).

you’re on a forum where there’s serious discussion about whether kids dating, holding hands or kissing is sinful. come on, rock and roll was something you liked because your parents though it a bad influence.
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Songs like “Hound Dog”, “Splish Splash”, “That’ll Be the Day”, etc. are typically included on '50s rock compilations. Could you please explain their “immorality”?
 
CTA1967 said:
Songs like “Hound Dog”, “Splish Splash”, “That’ll Be the Day”, etc. are typically included on '50s rock compilations. Could you please explain their “immorality”?
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I’m not going to cherrypick billboard to find counterexamples or traverse those three songs for “immorality”, that was a cottage industry back then. there are thousands of rock songs that charted between '54 and '64. my point is that sex and rebellion were dominant themes in rock music. remember rock’s predecessors, jazz and R&B and how and why white acts had to “tone down” black music before it could crossover.

regarding Elvis’s performance of Hound Dog …
Presley first performed “Hound Dog” to a nation wide television audience on The Milton Berle Show on June 5, 1956, his second appearance with Berle. This performance included the upbeat version that would later be recorded, followed by a slow, bluesy rendering. Presley’s movements were energetic and exaggerated. The reactions of young women in the studio audience were enthusiastic, as shown as part of the broadcast. Over 40,000,000 people saw the broadcast and the next day controversy exploded. Berle’s network received many letters of protest. The various self appointed guardians of public morality attacked Elvis in the press.
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Jazz was mostly instrumental. If anything, it was the blues that had immoral lyrics. Of course, there were also the gospel musicians who used the same blues musical style and just sang more decent lyrics. Both secular and gospel blues musicians have influenced rock musicians like Eric Clapton.
 
CTA1967 said:
Jazz was mostly instrumental. If anything, it was the blues that had immoral lyrics. Of course, there were also the gospel musicians who used the same blues musical style and just sang more decent lyrics. Both secular and gospel blues musicians have influenced rock musicians like Eric Clapton.
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I personally don’t disagree, but we’re not talking about rational thought. they didn’t like the way elvis swivelled his hips so he got censored from the waist down on the ed sullivan show. they didn’t like the driving beat of rock and roll, they turned the FBI on the lyrics for Louie Louie.

I’d forgotten, but you’re right. most black R&B singers at that time had gospel music training in their background.

to be fair, I should also add, it wasn’t just rock lyrics that got bowdlerized. the broadway version of Bewitched, bothered and bewildered from *Pal Joey *is very, very racy, much more so that the most cover versions that got radio airplay.
 
This is something I struggle with as well. I really enjoy my rock and roll. I do wish there was some good Christian rock. There just isnt and those of you who think there is are fooling yourselves. The talent just is not there. This is something else I ponder a lot. If the talent is all in the rock and roll with questionable lyrics and not in the Christian music, what does that mean?
Maybe the Lord does not want us listening to rock and roll? I just dont know the answer. Give me a band with the consistent musical talent of Metallica or other bands and I will listen to it. I do try to convince myself that U2 is a Christian rock band but I have my doubts there as well.
 
Sonoran_John said:
This is something I struggle with as well. I really enjoy my rock and roll. I do wish there was some good Christian rock. There just isnt and those of you who think there is are fooling yourselves. The talent just is not there. This is something else I ponder a lot. If the talent is all in the rock and roll with questionable lyrics and not in the Christian music, what does that mean?
Maybe the Lord does not want us listening to rock and roll? I just dont know the answer. Give me a band with the consistent musical talent of Metallica or other bands and I will listen to it. I do try to convince myself that U2 is a Christian rock band but I have my doubts there as well.
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Quite a few of my favorite classical composers lived rather immoral lives. What does that tell us? 🤷
 
CTA1967 said:
Quite a few of my favorite classical composers lived rather immoral lives. What does that tell us? 🤷
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I dont know?

I thought we were more concerned about the lyrics in this thread the we were about the lives of who made the music. I may have interperted this wrong.
 
Sonoran_John said:
This is something I struggle with as well. I really enjoy my rock and roll. I do wish there was some good Christian rock. There just isnt and those of you who think there is are fooling yourselves. The talent just is not there. This is something else I ponder a lot. If the talent is all in the rock and roll with questionable lyrics and not in the Christian music, what does that mean?
Maybe the Lord does not want us listening to rock and roll? I just dont know the answer. Give me a band with the consistent musical talent of Metallica or other bands and I will listen to it. I do try to convince myself that U2 is a Christian rock band but I have my doubts there as well.
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why don’t you just enjoy the music and stop worrying about it? the best literature doesn’t have christian themes, does that stop you from reading it?
 
Wirraway said:
why don’t you just enjoy the music and stop worrying about it? the best literature doesn’t have christian themes, does that stop you from reading it?
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The reason that people avoid certain literature is they see that it is harmful to their souls. The same is true of certain music. They think there is spiritual danger there.

Should people just enjoy pornographic literature and not worry about it? Certain music will enflame the same passions, and others as well. Christians who are striving to live holy lives are careful about what they indulge in. They know ther is danger in the world and try to avoid it. Some souls perish who are not careful.

Everything in this life either moves your soul closer to God or further away. Whenever people engage in things they enjoy, but that are harmful, they tell themselves these things are harmless.

Rock and roll is not just music. It is a lifestyle and those artists who achive success there are anti-Christ. Their lifestyle is Anti-Christ, sex, drugs and rock and roll. If you are influenced by them and their music you put your soul in jeopardy. But if you enjoy being agitated, having certain passions enflamed, and are drawn into their music you will tell yourself it is harmless and there is no danger there.
 
grandfather said:
…Rock and roll is not just music. It is a lifestyle and those artists who achive success there are anti-Christ. Their lifestyle is Anti-Christ, sex, drugs and rock and roll. If you are influenced by them and their music you put your soul in jeopardy. But if you enjoy being agitated, having certain passions enflamed, and are drawn into their music you will tell yourself it is harmless and there is no danger there.
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if you’re all that worried about the infuence of culture, be sure never to read a history book, because the horrors you’ll find there will dwarf anything you’d hear from the music industry.

as a matter of fact, I did enjoy “being agitated, having certain passions enflamed” and I was “drawn into their music” – when I was in high school and college. it was a lot of fun. between the career and family responsibilities, I don’t have much time for that now, but I’ll see the Stones until they retire again.

like they say, 1 Corinthians 13:11.

rock on, bro.
 
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